k i made this theory in antoher thread but this 1 is aptley named

k well brom tells eragon that u can get your true name by getting it from an elf(so of course...they know every1s true name)

somy theory is:

A.arya tells eragon his and he opens the vault

downside:galbotorix can pry it from his mind(thanks to gryndel for that 1)

B.arya tells eragon GALBOTORIX'S true name,and(quite evily)has him commit suicide from controlling him

downside:its uinlikely becuz eragons a good guy and thats a kind of low thing to do :/


oh and if an elf knows every1s name...couldnt they control every1...?

i think i stated that it would be quite evil but yeah u may be right...i just find it odd that an elf who may not even know ur normal name can know ur true name...and im sure oromis or sum1 has seen galby

well every1 knows galbotorixs name lol so im sure sum1 could tell him still

ok i said that im pretty sure that oromis has senn him(not positive)or arya(again not positive) and im sure they both know his name(galbotorixs name i emant)so could tyhey go evil and attack them with sum sort of mind control?

how could oromis not klnow galbys name...hes the king of alaegaesia and he says it humself a hundred times lol so couldnt he figure it out? and thats assuming he saw him

lol i think oromis is evil lol his kindness will be eragons downfall...he needss to reveal sumthin to him lol or else eragon isnt gonna stand a chance :/

nah im stickin to eragon kills galby however he kills himself with the spell(it overpowers him)which makes sense cuz he will still leave alagaesia forever or backwards

Could Galbys real name be the 7 words Brom told Eragon right before he died.

possibly but in that case eragon would have used it far long ago

Elves instinctively, know only their own names and not everybody elses..if it were so, then they would have VIRTUALLY all power over everything...no an elf would have to get into Galbatorix's mind n snatch it out of there or find it with his permission, but I doubt Galbatorix would allow an elf to do that!

leteherblaka...elves do know every1s name

reread eragon in the chapter where brom tells eragon about ppls real names...he says that u can go on a quest to get it or FIND AN ELF TO TELL YOU,but thats rare because they doint share that information openly

an elf wuld kno ur true name if u let him or her find it in your mind..bcoz its nt jus possibl..oderwise Arya could hav escaped out of prison like dat..n nt onli dat evn Durza could b made to kill himslf..no elves will b abl to find ur true name in ur mind...if u let dem..jus lukin at u wont make dem kno

how could they find it in ur mind if u dont even know it? no they know it instinctivly

PS can u write a little less internet slang...i use it too but that much is just hard to understand

Oh well, sorry, I was chatting too n I found it hard to switch...
yea well i gues evry1 wuld kno deir's bt had to search deeply inside demselves..

he doe,snt need a spell eragon is still a better sword fighter(thank you drags)
he'll kill galby with a sword forged by de oul elf

Fencing is nothing compared to magic..Galbatorix could protect himself with magic anytime Eragon almost overpowered him and being stronger in magic is definitely a much greater advantage than being better at swordsmanship.
besides Galby, right now, could raid into Eragon's mind without evn an effort..no, Eragon will have to grow much more powerful, which will include the rock of kuthian..
AND ELVES KNOW ONLY THEIR NAMES INSTINCTIVELY..IN ORDER TO FIND OUT YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE TO LET THEM SEARCH AROUND IN YOUR MIND

...u seriously think that a guy who killed ALL THE RIDERS(INCLUDING ELVEN RIDERS)WOULD DIE FROM A HALF BREED?!!!?!

1. he's not a half-breed. and 2. even if he WAS, then there would be no problem.

....u seriously beilieve that eragon can kill galby 1 on 1 w/o magic??????????????

i seriosly beleve he can kill Galby 1 on 1 with the power he will gain from the Vault of Souls.

....well untill cp answers what souls "really" mean lol i can't beilieve the vault is "real"

can someone refresh my memory on what the rock of kuthian is? or have we not found out yet?

and i dont think elves know everyones true name, if they did galby would have been dead years ago.


maybe eragon finds out galbys real name by oromis(is that spelled right?) galby could do something to oromis, and he'll be dieing, and right before he dies he says galbys real name, but eragon doesnt know its galbys real name so then he just moves on with the sentence in the back of his mind, and then in the battle between galby and eragon, eragon realizes its galbys true name and then voila he makes galby go bye-bye!

i think every is born with their true name in their heads, just the elves know how to access it.
so i think the elves could get his name, if he didn't know how to shield his mind

then why do riders have to go on a quest??? they could just be told how to access it.

cuz brom said elves dont like to give that imformation out freely(and to curious)

A.yes they do know every1s true name cuz brom said that u can get an elve to tell u yours...meaning they know it....meaning they knoe EVERBODIES

and yes oromis was spelled right

oh and the rock of kuthain is a place whewre eragon goes to speak his name and it opens the vault of souls

Not all elves know peoples tue names

may b he meant that there is an elf that nos ur name and can tell it 2 u possibly meaning ormosis(cant spell that) it doesnt have 2 mean that every elf can tell a persons true name by looking at them otherwise galby would b long gone by now - yes their nice but this is war here and their lives depend on defeating him 2

1. the elves might not want to share that information.

or

2. only the elves are mentaly capable of it

im confused alittel.

its simple...elves know a persons true name...

they just dont share it and dont use it against that person...they MAY share it but definitely not loosely

that's crud. If Eragon asked Oromis, then Oromis would tell him, IF that was possible, BUT Oromis said that Eragon would have to go on a quest. All elves can't know peoples' real names.

Yeah but not all elves could know every ones true name because if they could then shouldnt they have defeated galby already??

no, because galby knows how to shield his mind

well does galby know his own real name?

if he does then yeah u could get it from his mind cuz he knows it...but how can u get sum1s true name from a person if THEY dont even know it?

so brom told eragon u cold go on a quest or get it from an elf....so either A:they have to know it already or B:they need to search your mind for it(which u cant do cuz u dont know it still)

so ur saying they have to know stuff about you in order to figure out your real name?
that makes sense....and that makes it helpless for any1 to know galbies true name cuz he can guard his mind very well

They have to know you're name, that's how, and I mean they have to know you're true name in the AL.

sorry if i havent read eldest/eragon properly. but didnt brom say an elf knows their true name naturally? and only their own true name?sry if im wrong

ok thanks for that btw...and yeah if u look broms first line,last sentance...it says or found an elf who would tell them.....so elves must know other ppls true names too

But i think that to find someones name, the leves have to pry it from them, kinda look in the forbidden part of their mind. And it says galatorix was an expert of breaking into minds. With that, his is probably very powerful and i doubt any elf, even ormimis, would have dared to pry it out of him.

I think if anyone ever tried to pry into Galbatorix they would have nightmares for the rest of thieir days.

well yeah....but if u read posts b4 these,ull read a few that say that how can u get sum1s true name from their mind,if they dont know it?

so how could u do that unless u already know it...which defeats the purpose ne way

maybe even worse! i rekon galby could identify the person as an enemy and send an army or something 2 kill the person.

if you guys read some of the older posts, there are more theories and i think a lot of them are pretty good. and yes, galby's mind would probably give people nightmares.

my theory is this;

1. the "quest" that riders have to go on is training to use magic to communicate with "spirits" to discover their true name, or find an elf to do it for them.

2. the rock of kuthain is a name for galbatorix (like oromis is "the morning sage" and "the cripple who is whole") and he and eragon share the same true name, or "eragon" is galbatorix' true name.

3. i have read theories that somehow galby can trap spirits inside his soul and use their power to get stronger. if this is true, then galby could represent the vault of souls.


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how i think eragon kills galby is with the assistance of elven spellcasters. they occupy his magic use while eragon whoops him with a new sword the the elf smith (forgot her name) makes for him.

as for the new rider i think it will be elva, don't want it to be, but i think it will.

well, thats my two cents. replies? please?

Elves aren't just born knowing everyone's true name otherwize they wouldv'e killed Galby LONG ago.

plz read all the posts before commenting as i have said this a billion times

IN THE STORY,IT STATES:eragon(not a direct quote but its close enough):how do u find your true name?Brom:well,riders could either go on a quest and get it,or FIND AN ELF TO TELL U IT.

ok that being said i would like to sya that elves must know ur true name if u can find 1 who will tell u it.

well, you could analyze what i said. i think its pretty reasonable.

you mind re-reading it?

not at all... i reread it several times before i made that post and a few more times before this one...
but...



we have accepted that an elf CAN tell you your name... but your post doesnt explain how they know your name... do they just look at you and know it? do they have to delve deep into your mind and find it? do they have to cast a spell?? what?

Well, you know how Eragon had to like 'break through a wall' in his mind the first time he tried to levitate a pebble. Well maybe that's what the elves have to do. They may, like, force through a wall into a part of your mind only they know how to get into. I would guess you would have to let them do it or they would have done it to Galby and the Forsworn already.

i would bet money that ur right. and i guess elves are already powerful enough to break the barrier in their own mind. thats how they naturaly know their own names.

I'd say so!

ok. so, back to topic?

If helgrind isn't the rock of kuthian what does everyone think it is?

You probably have to dig into the person's mind to find their true name. It's probably in their subconsious, it's there, but it's not tapped or the person doesn't know of it.

I thought it might be where the green dragon egg is..along with the Razac of course.

well if helgrind really is the rock of kuthian i think that both the vault of souls and the green dragon egg is hidden in there.

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but how do they know it but not know it?

ok when sumthing is on ur subconscious,u can recall it....just like studying and not really paying attention...its harder to recall but u can still recall it,because subconsciously,u were learning,if that makes ne sense

still i dont see how an elf could break ur barrier and find sumthing thats not in there

It doesn't say that elves know everyone's true names. It says they know their own true names. I think that an elf does know Eragon's true name though and tells him when the time is right.