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Malcu21
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Is Murtagh and Thorn evil?
I don't think they are just because Murtagh and Thorn let Eragon and Saphira go free and he just took Eragons weapon...I only think that they attacked Eragon and Saphira because of Gablys orders to capture them.
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January 12th, 2007, 1:12 am |
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January 12th, 2007, 3:00 am |
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Merala Anawan
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no they are not. Galbitorix knows Murtagh and thorn's true names and can control them. They don't want to do it but they have to. rememeber at the end of book two when he was able to walk away because he tried to capture eragon. He wasn't disobeying Galby's orders nore was he obeying them.
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January 12th, 2007, 3:16 am |
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Malcu21
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Merala Anawan wrote: no they are not. Galbitorix knows Murtagh and thorn's true names and can control them. They don't want to do it but they have to. rememeber at the end of book two when he was able to walk away because he tried to capture eragon. He wasn't disobeying Galby's orders nore was he obeying them.
I also agree with him /\ because Murtagh and Thorn aren't evil...they just didn't save Eragon's and Saphira's life...he saved almost all of the Varden.
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January 13th, 2007, 12:13 am |
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OrikTheMighty
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Murtagh isn't evil, hes being controled.
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January 13th, 2007, 12:25 am |
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elvenwitch_95
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Maybe.... They could turn good in the last minute...
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January 13th, 2007, 2:00 am |
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Malcu21 wrote: Merala Anawan wrote: no they are not. Galbitorix knows Murtagh and thorn's true names and can control them. They don't want to do it but they have to. rememeber at the end of book two when he was able to walk away because he tried to capture eragon. He wasn't disobeying Galby's orders nore was he obeying them. I also agree with him /\ because Murtagh and Thorn aren't evil...they just didn't save Eragon's and Saphira's life...he saved almost all of the Varden.
That is so true. Murtagh /could/ be a Boromir like character, where he does foolish and "bad" things, but isn't bad at heart. ...
I just hope Murtagh won't meet the same fate as Boromir...
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January 14th, 2007, 1:34 am |
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I realy hope that Murtagh is good because he's my favorite charector(sp?)
but right now I think he's neutral
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January 15th, 2007, 3:13 am |
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i hope murtagh turns good. it would be so sad if he stayed bad or died.
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January 29th, 2007, 1:40 am |
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Yes, it would be. But let's be pessimistic and expect the worst <.<; since it probably will happen.
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January 29th, 2007, 1:42 am |
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hes evil because hes being controlled by dark magic but he really wants to help the varden
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January 29th, 2007, 4:01 am |
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Chaos
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no they are not evil they swore themselves to Galbatorix.
you can't blame them. you would like to live too.
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April 8th, 2007, 1:38 am |
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Scarecrow
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No I don't think they are evil, maybe misunderstood. They just try to find easy ways out that's all.
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April 8th, 2007, 2:18 am |
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Firetongue
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I think maybe Thorn is "evil" and that has swayed Murtagh because of their connection. But as Oromis said, nobody sees themselves as evil- everyone thinks they are on the good side, or else they wouldn't be doing what they do.
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April 8th, 2007, 9:54 am |
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April 8th, 2007, 2:40 pm |
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roran-finiarel
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i say no. murtaghs not evil, neither is thorn. theyre being controlled. it said so in eldest.
i would vote no but its not letting me vote.
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April 8th, 2007, 10:34 pm |
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i got no clue about thorn but murtagh is probably not evil. it didnt say much aboout thorns feelings in eldest except baring its fangs in glee or something like that
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April 10th, 2007, 1:57 am |
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Scarecrow
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It's probably silence from being around Shuikan.
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April 10th, 2007, 2:22 am |
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i think theyre not evil coz which evil guy gets captured by his own side, evil??
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April 10th, 2007, 3:56 am |
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roran-finiarel
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yea, i mean it just wouldnt make sense if they were evil. and murtagh himself says that hes not evil. so this thread is pointless.
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April 10th, 2007, 7:13 pm |
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Firetongue
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Yes, but I don't expect Galby has ever said he is evil either- but that's how the Varden see him. And Eragon has never said he is evil, but that is how the Empire see him.
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April 10th, 2007, 7:22 pm |
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yea, but theres got 2 be a reason galby is evil b/c we all call him evil.
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April 11th, 2007, 1:12 am |
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But is he really? Ok, looking at it from the Varden's side:
Galbatorix doesn't spare any thought for citizens of the Empire, he would kill whole towns if he had to, a ruler shouldn't live forever. We are trying to stop that.
From the Empire's side:
Galbatorix is trying to bring back the riders, he wants to create a perfect land, most citizens live peacefully and happily- as always some won't be happy. The Varden are trying to destroy that, take their land, kill their soldiers in battle.
And you can see where I'm going from there lol... as I've said a million times, nobody thinks of themselves as evil- the books written from Eragon's point of view, it's a struggle to overthrow the king, rescue the last egg. Written from Galby's view, it's an epic struggle against a new rider, against the rebels, trying to bring back the riders, make a perfect land blah blah blah
So is either side evil, or is it just two powers fighting for what they want?
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April 11th, 2007, 9:58 am |
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if he is trying to bring back the riders, why did he kill them in the first place?(yes i agree with you)
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April 12th, 2007, 1:29 am |
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In the 2nd battle murtagh said that the old riders were fat and lazy and galby wants to create an
army of realy powerful riders or something.
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April 12th, 2007, 6:46 am |
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ha, his very own army to rule alagaesia, yea, i get his idea.
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April 12th, 2007, 6:47 am |
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Murtagh and his dragon aren't evil. They are just slightly confused and they are being controled. I honestly don't blame Murtagh for not breaking the promises he made to Galbatorix in the ancient language.
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April 14th, 2007, 10:46 pm |
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I don't think that murtagh or thorn are evil. Murtagh is being controled by Galbatorix. Thorn thinks that the varden, eragon and saphira are evil and that the empire are good.
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April 15th, 2007, 10:10 am |
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i dnt think they r intentionally evil i think if they had a choice they would both be on eragon's side but thn agen considerin wot murtagh sed to eragon jus b4 he left i dnt no............ mayb if murtagh gets free from galby he will side wiv eragon cos he likes nusada but thts a big if....... he could die in the nxt book tho, mayb....................
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April 15th, 2007, 6:47 pm |
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Shur'tugal224
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I think they could be evil because if Galby knows their true names then they are completely dominated by galby so yes. they are evil
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April 19th, 2007, 10:13 am |
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I think Murtagh would rather not be evil, but right now it is the way to protect himself and Thorn. Plus, Galby has a great talker, he has already convinced Murtagh that he was good once before, who is saying he can't do it again when he is more powerful? I think right now Murtagh has to be evil, there isn't another choice.
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April 19th, 2007, 9:32 pm |
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actually there is. i think that he is good b/c he spared eragon(thank goodness) and who gets captured by there own side? maybe they are evil but i bet if murtagh had a choice it would be the varden and eragons side.
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April 20th, 2007, 5:07 am |
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Max ShadeSlayer
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Re: Is Murtagh and Thorn evil?
They aren't evil. Galbatorix (who I would like to say a few things about that I can't post) has them under oath buy the AL. So they have to do what he says. He doesn't want to kill Eragon & Saphira. That is why he took a loop hole in his oath and spared Eragon & Saphira.
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July 27th, 2007, 11:09 pm |
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Murtagh17
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Re: Is Murtagh and Thorn evil?
i think they would rather be good, but because of the fact that galby made them swear loyalty to him, they are forced to be "evil".
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August 3rd, 2007, 1:16 pm |
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aryarocketh
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Re: Is Murtagh and Thorn evil?
I don't know!!!! I soooo hope that Murtagh is NOT evil because he's my fave character in the whole series and haven't read the last book, so i hope he is goo, not evil. As for Thorn, i think Thorn is influancing Murtagh.
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February 10th, 2009, 9:37 pm |
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Tayo
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Re: Is Murtagh and Thorn evil?
I believe that Thorn and Murtagh are evil, I think that Galbotorix is making them look evil. They have no free will. No choice of what they want to do so how can you be blamed for something u didnt choose.
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February 13th, 2009, 4:00 am |
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Matty Lee
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Re: Is Murtagh and Thorn evil?
Morality only exists where free will exists (if one is a determinist, than you cannot have any moral views of relevance, because there are no moral choices.) Murtagh and Thorn aren't evil, end of story.
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