awww... keep fughting please? It draws attention away from the fact that i haven't posted in ages. This by no means affects my standpoint. I've just given up on trying to convice you people

Or you just ran out of arguments!! ha. try to come up with more, and we'll match them, and then some.

I was shocked. I guess since you've been gone for a few days....idk.

ON TOPIC: one of the major reasons I have to beleive that brom is his father is that it would be great for Eragon: he'd have a father to be proud of. And lots of fans would like it. There's also Angela's mention of a woman's downfall coming from him, and its not some random woman, either.

but eragon already said that Garrow was his father. Mozan may have been the PARENT but he had nothing to do with his raising.

As for the woman's downfall I shall repeat again...
The woman that Brom loved was NOT Selena, as her downfall was a symptom of excessive travelling after giving birth. The woman Brom loved had her downfall because of Brom or his action (Neither is known) and Brom has had to live with that knowledge throghout his entire life.

right. and while it was vague, it will have a lot of importance; thats how CP works. so it'll be someone very important, and she's really the only one we know who even had a downfall. he was saying that Garrow was more his father than morzan, but why couldn't that apply to Brom too? he, i believe, already counted brom a father-figure, so he would be happy to have brom be his real father.

cept maybe Galby himself.....

and yeah, those who hold that Morzan is his father will receive no mercy!! of course, in the micropscopic chance that we ARE wrong, we might not want toget on for a year or so.

well, you did say anyone. but yeah, no one would. cept to get near enough to kill him, btw

true, them too. and any of the forsworn, and......hmmm. who else?

Anyone'd hate to have him as a dad, but he HATED Eragon. He "doted", to quote the book, i think, on Katrina.
and brom's a great match.

I still really don't know what to think. I can see where Brom might be Eragon's father. But then, I can also see where he might not be. I'll just be surprised when it is revealed in the 3rd of 4th book.

he told her a lot of things, but how did she react when they learned that Murtagh and Eragon shared mothers, and, so we're led to beleive, fathers? i dont' remember. so while he might have told her, like he told her a lot, he might have kept that a secret. maybe he trusted someone else to tell him. not sure who though

Huh. i don't have access to eldest, so...... maybe she DOES know, and he hasn't told her but will, and that will be when she tell. but i think it more likely that she doesn't.

Morning!! and thanks for going to the trouble of copying the whole thing!

hmmm. I see why. NEW EVIDECE, AERALDI!!! but why would she hide it from him? So she probably does know, but perhaps he instructed her not to tell him. DANG IT!! i hope we find out in 3.

i know, but i mean why not tell him then? he was obviously upset, and that would have helped him cope. I guess

Maybe Broms reason for settling there was that he loved Selena and wanted to be close to something that was hers (Eragon or her home) once she was out of his reach.
Maybe thats what Saphira knows (or something like that but more detailed) but promised not to tell Eragon. So thats she knows Brom didnt come to spy on Eragon because he was Morzans son.

Yeah, that makes sense. But I still with CP would throw in a big twist in book 3, something we haven't thought of. Now that would be exciting.

oh, but it is I who will be doing the dancing. And the quoting. And the "IN YOUR FACE!!!" ing.

How about: Ode to -insert my name- Who Knows All.

I think that in book 3 there won't be a word about Eragons father

Oh, if by an astronomical chance of infinity to one that Brom IS Eragon's father i will go, "Huh, well thats a downer." Then I will rally a posse and raid CP's house.... After he finishes the fourth book. Till then, I have a post to rip-off that explains some of my argument nicely.



This post was in: "Why Brom isn't eragon's father." in the Eldest section.

well put annie, well put. We shall all mock you Aeraldi. We shall make you sing the "Sorry Song" from Calvin and Hobbes!! hahaha!!

aww...but I liked that title...and I'M NOT CRAZY FOR THE LAST TIME ANNIE!!! I'm just eccentric... *hmph*

And I will not be dancing when Eragon's father turns out to be Brom but when Brom turns out to be Eragon's father, the weapon turns out to be Brom's, the next rider turns out to be Arya, and... Annie, what am I leaving out??? But I WILL be doing that because it WILL happen. Oh, it will.

ok....I prepose we get back on topic. All in favor?

Aww, I was enjoying the arguments...

What ARE you talking about Annie? I'm forcing my views on EVERYONE that Morzan is Eragon's father NOT Brom. And as for antagonizing... It was awesome!! It's hard to offend me personally, many people have tried and I just laugh in their faces as I am doing now. (I hope i didn't hurt you there). This is the best argument I've had, where you won't give any ground and neither will I.

Also... OMDG? can't put the 'f' in there without it getting blocked? *shrugs*

even though you never supplied evidence of your own.

I think Brom is Eragon's father. when Murtagh is in the presence of Ahijad, by only speaking, he knew who Murtagh was; just by his voice. However during the course of the books we see many similarities between Morzan and Murtagh and Eragon is so different. I understand he had a different up- bringing but Ajihad knew about Murtagh's scar. To me, this means Selena was the spy for the Varden and that Brom and her were more than friends. It is too much coincidence that Brom was in Carvahal just waiting for the egg to hatch. I think he went back not only to wait for the egg to hatch but also to keep a close eye on his son.

jajajaja just my opinion.

AnnMarieBlack???

the thief was probably her. Who else important that isn't spoken for is there?

And I refuse to believe that CP will make the story that bland. The fact that Eragon is the son of a main villain makes him think about who he really is. As it was with Murtagh, Eragon had to rethink his views on him and his trust. But in the end Eragon had to accept that he had been nothing but a friend.
There are no hidden messages in the text.

Also about finding Saphira's egg, it was Brom that found it. I quote from page 183 of the chapter "An Old Friend" in Eragon.

"When we were... Separated, I couldn't find you. In the midst of the turmoil I stumbled into a small room. There wasn't anything extraordinary in it - just crates and boxes - but out of curiosity, I rummaged around anyway. Fortune smiled on me that hour, for I found what we had been searching for." An expression of shock ran over Jeod's face. "Once it was in my hands, I couldn't wait for you. At any second I might have been discovered, and all lost. Disguising myself as best I could, I fled the city and ran to the..." Brom hesitated and glanced at Eragon, than said, "ran toour friends. They stored it in a vault, for safekeeping, and made me promise to care for whomever received it. Until the day when my skills would be needed, I had to dissapear. No one could know that I was alive - not even you - though it grieved me to pain you unnecessarily."

Evidence, that Brom stole the egg. (This is solid proof!)

before Brom died he told Eragon of being a rider----HUGE SECRET!!!!

why wold he continue to hide the fact that he was his dad and warn about Murtagh and Morzan???????

You all seem to forget. When Eragon mentions his mother to Brom, he looks quite emotional. Eragon asks him if he knew Selena, and he whispers, h yes, I knew her..." as though he LOVED her as well. It is quite posible that Selena loved Brom and they had Eragon but she didn't want Morzan to find out so she left him with Garrow.

It really wouldn't be bland if that happened. And you forget: Eragon already came to a conclusion about who he is. He says, "Morzan may be my parent, but he is not my father. Garrow was my father. He raised me. He taught me how to live well and honorably, with integrity. I am who I am because of him. Even Brom and Oromis are more my father than Morzan. And Roran is my brother, not Murtagh." (Eldest, 655-656)

is it really of consequence to this discussion that he was the one to steal the egg? He had to get in there somehow and I'm guessing that somehow was Selena.

It was Jeod's map that got them in but that STILL isn't the issue. Eragon accepted that Morzan was his biological parent. It doesn't change who he is.

X-ACTLY

yeah, but don't think that he wouldn't be ecstatic to learn that Brom was his Biological Father.

Alright, I've got a solution theory. Or at least I hope its the solution. I've heard this theory, and I'm sure you all heard it before...but I'm just going to bother typing it again.

Galby tricked Murtagh. He told him Morzan was Eragon's father because he wanted Murtagh to tell Eragon. Then he supposed Eragon would lose hope and less people would join the Varden. As for Galby finding the connection in the twin's head, a lie so that it would be easier to believe.

I know it may be wrong, but I'm not sure about it yet...but I'm sticking with Brom IS Eragon's father.

yay! Someone at least doesn't think my theory is complete rubbish. And yeah, you do need to think outside the box, instead of the likeliest possibility. I mean, who predicted Murtagh was going to be evil in Eldest? If you did, you're either very crazy or very smart.

Anything is possible, but if he told all this information in the Ancient language, how it can be true?

He could have convinced Murtagh that he did, even though he might not have. Also Annie, Murtagh wasn't power hungry. He just wanted to live his life without everyone blaming him for his father's mistakes.

The AL works like this. You can write out or think out (To yourself) lies in the AL, but once you try to tell someone a lie in it, its very nature stops you. The AL only allows you to say what you THINK is true.
Keyword here: THINK
In other words, Murtagh THOUGHT that he was Eragon's brother, when actually they were half brothers.

Thats how I compliment Dragon's theory, which I totally support.

Thank you! *bows* Although its not actually my theory, so give credit to...I forgot who, sorry ^^





You mean Thorn hatched for him right? And I know this is completely off topic but what does A-M Te amo, Mamita! mean?

Adding to that, Galby is probably as much in the dark about Brom's relationship with Selena as Murtagh is, unless he found out when she came back, which is a complete possibility.

hey jus wonderin, i ben wonderin bout this


does GALBY stand for Galbatorix, cuz i don't memeber a GALBY

typing Galbatorix is too troublesome.

that was pointless......

anyhoo...
about the whole thing w/ Galby lying to Murtagh-very plausible, since it is possible to believe something is true even when its not. So it would be kinda interesting that Brom might be his father...

but its would be so much cooler if Morzan really was. Im confusing myself right now because im driving myself in circles.

and it seems to me that Murtagh is just a person who got forced into serving Galby. He obviously really doesn't want to, but he got stuck w/ him anyway.

I mean lilke AnnieBee said, he could've died instead of taking an oath but maybe his was just self-preserving. Maybe he didn't want to die just yet, and could see some way of getting out of all of this.

am i making sense or am i really off topic?

uh, no. Riders' blades are simply much superior to any other blade. Remember, this is one of Rhunon's masterpieces. The balance is perfect, as is everything else about the sword. That is why it fits so well into Eragon's hand. Besides, Rhunon doesn't go up to you and take impressions of your HAND or something. It's just perfect so it'll feel that good for any rider's sword if you wield it.

look, hilts are not made of foam: they are NOT form-fitting. CP wasn't referring to the grip as much as the balance of the blade. If you've ever used a good, well balanced blade, you would notice the difference between that and an ordinary one. But seriously, taking minor details of Eragon describing how wielding a rider's blade feels like over the mounds of evidence for Brom having had a relationship with Selena is LUDICROUS!!!

What does having a sword that fits well into Eragon's hand have to do with Brom being his father? I'm not really understanding what you two are arguing about...

Why would Morzan and Eragon have the same hands?

That sounds about right to me, the sword is just extremely well crafted, it doesn't prove or disprove anything about his father.

...which was exactly my point. the balance and the hilt are perfect.

Aeraldi, it doesn't seem like you know a whole lot about swords. There really aren't "custom built" swords. She builds a perfect sword, then matches the color via magic. that's IT.

yes

please do not post single word answers to increase your post count.

Did u notice that when Eragon clasped Zar'roc for the first time Paolini wrote that the sword seemed made for his hand?
Maybe it means nothing, maybe it's a proof of Morzan's fatherhood

But that is a really interesting point. Until it is revealed in the books, I really have absolutely no idea who Eragon's father is.