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So Who here Believes Brom is Eragons REAL father

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November 15th, 2006, 3:00 am Profile
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I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

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I tottaly agree. I think Brom is DEFFENTLY Eragons real dad

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Wow no arguments hear


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yeah, cuz you can't argue with that much stuff! lol.

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Murtagh is a lieing peice of **** now why believe him, and brom's edvidence shows that he is

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i dont i dont think murtagh was lying if he is that will be really lame

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he didn't lie. he THOUGHT it was true. he didn't know of Selena's affair with Brom.

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You nailed that one on the head
Nothing more needs to be said!!

Brom, the lucky old dog... :wink:


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im eragon's real father


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LOL :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.


1. just because you miss someone when they are gone, didn't mean you did the hump-de-bump with them....

2. it never said anywhere that blagden had never left ellesmera.


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yeah, but how would he know her well? I HIGHLY doubt that she was a rider, so the onle other way to "know her well" would be a short ammount of time when she was doing something for Morzan. Normally, you don't "know someone well" by just talking for a short ammount of time (even a week or 2).

Blagden never left the king's side after that. Blagden could not have gotten to know Morzan.

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does blagden necessarily have to know someone to say riddles about them. come on this is a magical creature were talking about. however i still think it would be cool if brom was eragons real father


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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
yeah, but how would he know her well? I HIGHLY doubt that she was a rider, so the onle other way to "know her well" would be a short ammount of time when she was doing something for Morzan. Normally, you don't "know someone well" by just talking for a short ammount of time (even a week or 2).

Blagden never left the king's side after that. Blagden could not have gotten to know Morzan.


well, he probably had to do a job of protection for her, since morzan was probably looking for her, so they probably got to know each other real well...

who said it was after he saved the king?


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wasn't Brom in ellesmira once?(sorry for spelling im really tired)

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Post Re: Who Believes Brom is REALLY Eragons father?
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So Who here Believes Brom is Eragons REAL father


Not possible, didnt Murtagh say that Morzan was both their fathers?


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Yes he did and yes he said it in the AL but if he believed it to be true to him he wouldn't have been lying. so Morzan may not be Eragon's father.

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ashrimp wrote:
I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
yeah, but how would he know her well? I HIGHLY doubt that she was a rider, so the onle other way to "know her well" would be a short ammount of time when she was doing something for Morzan. Normally, you don't "know someone well" by just talking for a short ammount of time (even a week or 2).

Blagden never left the king's side after that. Blagden could not have gotten to know Morzan.


well, he probably had to do a job of protection for her, since morzan was probably looking for her, so they probably got to know each other real well...

who said it was after he saved the king?


Because b4 he was a stupid bird!!! lol.

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Post Nope - Eragon is Morzan's son
Sorry, but Murtaugh said it in the ancient language -- they are brothers and Eragon is Morzan's son.

Besides, it fits the hero motif -- like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader -- it just makes sense.
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as long as you believe that it is true you can say it in the AL even if it really isn't true

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Me, I think Brom is really his father.

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I agree with Scarecrow on this one. If you look back you can find tons of questions which are entwined with their relationship.
Let's begin by asking ourselves these questions:

1. Why did Garrow stubbornly insist in living at the outsides of Carvahall, against all the recommendations and advice from others?
Could it be that he knew of Eragon's lineage? After all, he came to Carvahall AFTER his wife died. Why in the outsides of the town away from prying eyes? Eragon was a very small boy then. Hummmm... and why Carvahall, the town in which Brom was living in the guise of a storyteller? Could it be so that Eragon would be close to his father?

2. Do you really believe Garrow would have given in to Selena's request for him to raise Eragon just because he got tired of hearing whine? I don't think so. After her days and days on insisting, she must have had to tell him the real reason for leaving her newborn baby with him and not taking him along with her.

3. Why did Selena name her child Eragon? I don't think Morzan was the one who may have told her the story and greatness of Eragon the 1st Elf. After all in Eldest even Queen Islanzadi acknowledges to Eragon "...You carry a powerful name, one we rarely bestow upon our children...." Who else but Brom could have given Selena the tidbits of the story a GOOD elf who was wise and had established the basis for elves and dragons to make a pact, I bet it was not Morzan!

4. Why did Horst tell Eragon to ask Garrow the reason why Sloan fear the Spine and magic so much? Could it be that Garrow, being Selena's brother, had some knowledge of magic? Maybe he could not practice it but knew that Selena had some "rudimentary magic" knowledge taught by Morzan?

5. Why was Brom so concerned when Eragon made his first bit of strong magic in Yazuac? Was it because he was the 1st Rider in 100 yrs and wanted to develop and use him to fight Galbatorix, or was his first reason Eragon could have died? And Brom would lose his son when they were in such proximity for the first time ever?

I could go on forever with a lot more of these examples, BUT my fingers hurt. :cry:

Just think these points over and tell us what you guys think!

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I agree with you, Also on the first one I guess, Brom I think went to Carvahall to watch over his son i guess to see if he had any potential at being a rider and to make sure if Galby attacked he could possibly protect Eragon if Galby went to Carvahall to destroy that city. Just a guess.

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sloan hates the spine because his wife died there.

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Yeah but how the wife died is partly the most reason.

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uh...she fell from the top of the waterfall.

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i do i do i do i do i do!!!!!!!!

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You do what?

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i think brom is eragon's father

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He is. Why do you say?

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AnnieBee wrote:
I agree with Scarecrow on this one. If you look back you can find tons of questions which are entwined with their relationship.
Let's begin by asking ourselves these questions:

1. Why did Garrow stubbornly insist inl iving at the outsides of Carvahall, against all the recommendations and advice from others?
Could it be that he knew of Eragon's lineage? After all, he came to Carvahall AFTER his wife died. Why in the outsides of the town away from prying eyes? Eragon was a very small boy then. Hummmm... and why Carvahall, the town in which Brom was living in the guise of a storyteller? Could it be so that Eragon would be close to his father?

2. Do you really believe Garrow would have given in to Selena's request for him to raise Eragon just because he got tired of hearing whine? I don't think so. After her days and days on insisting, she must have had to tell him the real reason for leaving her newborn baby with him and not taking him along with her.

3. Why did Selena name her child Eragon? I don't think Morzan was the one who may have told her the story and greatness of Eragon the 1st Elf. After all in Eldest even Queen Islanzadi acknoeldges to Eragon "...You carry a powerful name, one we rarely bestow upon our children...." Who else but Brom could have given Selena the tidbits of the story a GOOD elf who was wise and had established the basis for elves and dragons to make a pact, I bet it was not Morzan!

4. Why did Horst tell Eragon to ask Garrow the reason why Sloan fear the Spine and magic so much? Could it be that Garrow, being Selena's brother, had some knowledge of magic? Maybe he could not practice it but knew that Selena had some "rudimentary magic" knowledge taught by Morzan?

5. Why was Brom so concerned when Eragon made his first bit of strong magic in Yazuac? Was it because he was the 1st Rider in 100 yrs and wanted to develop and use him to fight Galbatorix, or was his first reason Eragon could have died? And Brom would lose his son when they were in such proximity for the first time ever?

I could go on forever with a lot more of these examples, BUT my fingers hurt. :cry:

Just think these points over and tell us what you guys think!


I tottally Agree with AnnieBee. Thats a lot of examples to disagree with

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He is. Why do you say?


i don't know, i just think that it is likely.

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arya is not going to be the next rider!!! (but i'm not sure who is, probly roran)

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I also think Brom is Eragons father. Because of all the reasons listed earlier, and I just have a gut feeling, there was something more about Brom's relationship with Eragon. I dont think Brom died for the new rider, but for his own son. :D

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I also think Brom is Eragons father. Because of all the reasons listed earlier, and I just have a gut feeling, there was something more about Brom's relationship with Eragon. I dont think Brom died for the new rider, but for his own son. :D


i think he did it for both.

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arya is not going to be the next rider!!! (but i'm not sure who is, probly roran)

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I also think Brom is Eragons father. Because of all the reasons listed earlier, and I just have a gut feeling, there was something more about Brom's relationship with Eragon. I dont think Brom died for the new rider, but for his own son. :D


i think he did it for both.


You may have a point there, but I feel it was more over the concern of Eragon as a son, than as a Rider. If you have your book at hand, try going to Eragon, Vision of Perfection, page 236 starting on the third paragraph. Read from there on. I kind of pick up the anger, worry, relief and chastizing of o father to a son. I just cannot feel Brom's concern For Eragon as the Rider. I may be wrong, but.....

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i think it did it more for son than rider, but i still think he did it for both. i bet brom also wanted the riders to be restored as well as his son be safe.

also remember, brom didn't sacrifice himself, he was captured.

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WHAT???????????? He did not sacrifice himself?? Eragon was the primary target of the blade, not Brom. Brom, drugged as he was, found the strength to place himself between the dagger, (which had been hurled at Eragon by the smaller Ra'zac) and Eragon. If that is not self-sacrificed, I really don't know what it would be.

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Yeah I can tell mostly from your cool new avvy. I kinda like this one better than your old one, no offence. This one is more lively.

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I reckon brom may be eragon's father...


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It it turns out to be that Brom is not Eragon's father, I will be VERY, VERY disappointed. :x

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It it turns out to be that Brom is not Eragon's father, I will be VERY, VERY disappointed. :x


so will i. but it's unlikely that he isn't.

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I think Brom is Eragon's father

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really? why?

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I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.



that is why. so much evidence and it makes a ton of sense and ties everything together.

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I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.


the only thing is that she wasn't killed, she just died, probably as a result of giving birth to eragon, and brom already hated morzan, perhaps when brom met selena, she decided she didn't like morzan and that he was evil, brom may have encouraged her to take eragon to carvahall, where he could watch over their son

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That's probably why, she met Brom and she saw how kind husbands can really be so she got with him and they had Eragon.

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oh and i forgot to add, i doubt that three dragon riders could be related how could morzan have to children that were riders when there were only three eggs, that seems wierd, unless morzan was so powerful that all dragons wanted to pick his kids or felt they were right or something, but they are both selenas sons too i dont know it works both ways

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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.


the only thing is that she wasn't killed, she just died, probably as a result of giving birth to eragon, and brom already hated morzan, perhaps when brom met selena, she decided she didn't like morzan and that he was evil, brom may have encouraged her to take eragon to carvahall, where he could watch over their son


it could have appeared that she just died, but that can be easily feigned by someone like Galby. she could have been kept sick then poisoned, or she could have been outright killed with magic.

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Hmmm.. I think brom is Eragon's father. Take a look at this other quote by Blagden:

"While one is certainly one,
And two could possibly be two,
One could be two."

Selena is definetely their mother
Selena and Morzan might be their parents
but their might be another father, as in "one could be two"


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As in Brom is the other father.

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for once i agree with INC


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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.


ive been saying that evidence with one more peice of evidence alongside it, the color of their dragons

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that is just a coincedence. What does the color of the dragon have to do with anything?


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that is just a coincedence. What does the color of the dragon have to do with anything?



well murtagh is morzans son and they have red dragons of the same name

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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.



ANOTHER BOATLOAD!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

anyway, i couldnt be bothered reading it, and anyway, brom was way too old, and selena would havve to had eragon way way way late!!!!! and it doesnt say anything about eragon being really tall or big, as would be typical of a late born child!!! anyway, in the last two lines of the evidence, it says: Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon. any good eragon fan will tell you that it says in the book, brom knew that eragon had the egg!!

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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote:
I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.

here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.



ANOTHER BOATLOAD!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

anyway, i couldnt be bothered reading it, and anyway, brom was way too old, and selena would havve to had eragon way way way late!!!!! and it doesnt say anything about eragon being really tall or big, as would be typical of a late born child!!! anyway, in the last two lines of the evidence, it says: Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon. any good eragon fan will tell you that it says in the book, brom knew that eragon had the egg!!



i dont understand what your saying about being born late and stuff. plus brom wasnt too old because he was a rider. also, brom had been in carvahall for 15 years. which i will point out is the age of eragon at the start of the book.

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It seems that age is not a problem in Christopher Paolini's world. Look at Arya! She's being stalked by a 16 yr old boy.
Besides, Morzan and Brom were about the same age. I'm under the impression Morzan was maybe a yr or so older than Brom, and he fathered Murtagh. Why wouldn't Brom would be capable of fathering Eragon????

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He was capable but failed to fufil his duties due to the circumstances at hand. But nonethless he it is still liley that he is in fact Eragons father (as I must say it does flow wiith the seqaunce of events)

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you know Brom shold be Eragons father but that would be a little to obvious


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But theriteccally it does make sense nonthless

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I agree with Scarecrow on this one. If you look back you can find tons of questions which are entwined with their relationship.
Let's begin by asking ourselves these questions:

1. Why did Garrow stubbornly insist inl iving at the outsides of Carvahall, against all the recommendations and advice from others?
Could it be that he knew of Eragon's lineage? After all, he came to Carvahall AFTER his wife died. Why in the outsides of the town away from prying eyes? Eragon was a very small boy then. Hummmm... and why Carvahall, the town in which Brom was living in the guise of a storyteller? Could it be so that Eragon would be close to his father?

2. Do you really believe Garrow would have given in to Selena's request for him to raise Eragon just because he got tired of hearing her whine? I don't think so. After of her days and days on insisting, she must have had to tell him the real reason for leaving her newborn baby with him and not taking him along with her. Not just a "I must!" would have been enough for Garrow.

3. Why did Selena name her child Eragon? I don't think Morzan was the one who may have told her the story and greatness of Eragon the 1st Elf. After all in Eldest even Queen Islanzadi acknowledges to Eragon "...You carry a powerful name, one we rarely bestow upon our children...." Who else but Brom could have given Selena the tidbits of the story of a GOOD elf who was wise and had established the basis for elves and dragons to make a pact, I bet it was not Morzan!

4. Why did Horst tell Eragon to ask Garrow the reason why Sloan fear the Spine and magic so much? Could it be that Garrow, being Selena's brother, had some knowledge of magic? Maybe he could not practice it but knew that Selena had some "rudimentary magic" knowledge taught by Morzan?

5. Why was Brom so concerned when Eragon made his first bit of strong magic in Yazuac? Was it because he was the 1st Rider in 100 yrs and wanted to develop and use him to fight Galbatorix, or was his first reason that Eragon could have died? And Brom would lose his son when they were in such proximity for the first time ever?

I could go on forever with a lot more of these examples, BUT my fingers hurt. :cry:

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this is true i do think brom is eragon father

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and I suppurot you becasue of that!

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Yahoooo! Tonight I am batting all that comes to me. And with the book!! I mean, there are so many details all over the books... If you start placing them all in a list, then it seems obvious. But until then, it's hard to connect all the dots. I have lost count of the times I've read AND listened to the books. But that's me who is a die hard fan of the series.!

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yes that is very true, in fact i've had past expraicnes like the ones you ahve sated

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All I can say that as soon as Brom appeared in the storyline of Eragon, I had this pestering feeling that he was more than what was apparent. I totally fell for his character. :oops: :oops: :roll: :roll:

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I prefer more portagniost based cahracters but his chracter is very deep I must admit!

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Yeah I like his character. He's cool and mysterious. I like his sense of knowledge and he he should have alot because he is pretty old.

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I think that brom is eragons father for all the reasons stated by anniebee and also the dragon thing , you know how all the new generation are inheriting the responsability of the last generation. its preety neat that brom + eragon both had/have blue dragons called saphira and that morzan + murtagh both have red dragons called thorn, and in the last generation thorn was beeten by a saphira, i think that this saphira can beet the new thorn,

i like murtagh as a charectar and i know that a dragon has a part in decieding their own name but it seems a bit like he had no imagination calling his dragon thorn, especially when he hated his father so much , but anyhow , that dragon thing kind of supposrts it aswell
if morzan was eragons father then who's blade would eragon IHNERIT? he wouldn't , so inheritance wouldn't fit , but now he can inherit broms so it all fits


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I agree with the Brom/Eragon inherited thing, but how do we know that Morzan's dragon's name was Thorn? CP never tells us that.

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Just what I thought when I read the post last night. We are told only of Brom's dragon's name.
We are also told that Galbatorix's first dragon was female. We are never told of their names though!!! :wink:

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Yes their are in fact various uncofirmed facts taht many of us yearn to figuire out on our own

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sorry , i thought it said somewhere that morzan's dragon was called thorn , i might be imagining thinga again lol. i didn't know that galby's fist dragon was femal , where does it say that?

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Wow Galby's dragon is a female I can't recall any where in the text where they mentioned this

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does oromis mention it at somepoint and we overlooked it?

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Quite possibly but I don't know for certain

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we will have to as anniebee next time she is on,

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Yeah she's the only one wiht such knowledge as of now

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yeah. i tried fiding it, but i can't find it. it's not really an important fact though. so what his dragon was female?

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i thought morzan was allready eragons father.....

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no. that is just what Murtagh was led to believe. they have the same mother, so the jump that Murtagh made was that their fathers were the same too.

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broms daragon was a gril because a guy dragons name wouldnt end in 'a'

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yeh , saphira does have a feminine thing about it , a guy dragon would be like gladr or beroan or vanilor or eridor.. they have an air of somehting masculin about them

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I think you mean or, like o is masucline and a is feminie. If you ever take Spanish, most likely you will learn about this and conjugating.

And his dragon was female and Brom's dragon is female.

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Ins't taht just coicndence eh?

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sorry , i thought it said somewhere that morzan's dragon was called thorn , i might be imagining thinga again lol. i didn't know that galby's fist dragon was femal , where does it say that?


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"Though his friends and their dragons were butchered and he suffered great wounds, Galbatorix slew his attackers. Tragically during the fight a stray arrow pierced his dragon's heart. Without the arts to save her, she died in his arms." Eragon, Chapter; Dragon Tales, page 32

Now can we all get back on topic please?????


Who Believes Brom is REALLY Eragons father?

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it sort of is on topic, the whole brom dragon thing , becasue is could be a reason for them to be related- them both haveing blue dragons named saphira

the galby dragon thing isn't though lol

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Wow Galby's dragon is a female I can't recall any where in the text where they mentioned this


Galbatorix’s first dragon was female. Not Shruikan. He stole him.

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yeah. i tried fiding it, but i can't find it. it's not really an important fact though. so what his dragon was female?


Maybe not, however, it does give the reader an additional reason why Galbatorix is so obsessed with capturing Saphira. Who knows if he wants to transfer his affection to the one to re-kindle the dragon race?

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it sort of is on topic, the whole brom dragon thing , becasue is could be a reason for them to be related- them both haveing blue dragons named saphira

the galby dragon thing isn't though lol


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LOL never assumed that could be Galbitorx's intention. Great idea Anibee! :D

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It's just common sense, Lord Zaragonth. When dealing with a mind as evil and twisted as Galbatorix's, you cannot underestimate any of his intentions.


This is one of the reasons why I believe that if Brom IS in fact Eragon's father, he would have decided to do as he did. If it was publicly known, it would have placed Eragon in danger as an infant. This is another reason why I believed Brom settled in Carvahall, to look after his son, even if from afar. I mean, he could have hidden in any place in Alagaesia, including the Varden and Du Weldenvarden, why choose Carvahall?

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Cause he is concerned of the well being of his son and insits on montering it as best he can

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