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Post Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
I haven't seen a topic on this, hm.. I anyone sees one tell me, but otherwise here we can discuss Solembum's prophecy:

"..Then, when all seems lost and your power is insufficient, go to the Rock of Kuthian and speak your name to open the Vault of Souls."

Well, one thing I think this has a big thing on is the Rock of Kuthian, I am guessing, will be where the final battle is, maybe. Also "speak your name" obviously means we will be learning something about Eragon the first rider. Maybe Eragon 1st created the Vault of Souls?

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
The topic hasn't been mentioned numerous time in other threads but I don't believe that there was ever a thread for it. I'll see if I can remember some of the theories.

Vault of souls

1. Contains lots of eldunari.
2. It will change the nature of magic like the spell the grey elves performed.
3. It will be used by Eragon to raise a loved one like Saphira or Arya.

Rock of Kuthain

1. Kuthain could be the name of one of the dragons of the foresworn.
2. The rock of Kuthain in some way guards the VOS.
3. It contains lots of power like Aren

I'm sure there are many more I just can't remember them all of the top of my head. I like your theory about speaking your name and finding out about his namesake.

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
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3. It will be used by Eragon to raise a loved one like Saphira or Arya.

Rock of Kuthain

2. The rock of Kuthain in some way guards the VOS.

I'm sure there are many more I just can't remember them all of the top of my head. I like your theory about speaking your name and finding out about his namesake.


Hey that gives me an idea. What if Saphira and Arya don't die? What if they need someone to help them? I wonder if Brom could come back? But they might need his body...
But this also could rise tension between Nasuada and Eragon, if lets say everyone is there with him. Because no doubt Nasuada would want to bring HER father back, Ajihad. There are so many people they might need to bring back from the dead, they could even bring back his namesake for all we know!

Yeah, it seems most likely the rock guards it, but its location raises a question as well.

And thanks, but I wonder that theory COULD be incorrect if he meant your TRUE NAME.

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
aluminiumclock wrote:
The topic hasn't been mentioned numerous time in other threads but I don't believe that there was ever a thread for it. I'll see if I can remember some of the theories.

Vault of souls

1. Contains lots of eldunari.
2. It will change the nature of magic like the spell the grey elves performed.
3. It will be used by Eragon to raise a loved one like Saphira or Arya.

Rock of Kuthain

1. Kuthain could be the name of one of the dragons of the foresworn.
2. The rock of Kuthain in some way guards the VOS.
3. It contains lots of power like Aren

I'm sure there are many more I just can't remember them all of the top of my head. I like your theory about speaking your name and finding out about his namesake.


Brom warned Eragon to stay away from the dead. so raising someone is not likely. As for the name Kuthain being a dragon's name of the forsworn is impossible. By magic their names were for ever forgoten by everyone. But Arya remembers the name. she can't exactly remember from where but she does. My theory is that the rock of the Kuthain is an ancient battlefield and a place where a great power is hidden.


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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
Broms swords and/or other dragon riders swords might be there if its a old battlefield. and then they can take the energy and then give the swords to captains because i think the dragon riders would want them to and if they wouldn't want they swords used then they are selfish and deserve it. :D :D

But i think eragon will get his power from the tn of the al.

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I think I had this discussion elsewhere with ROD . There are problems with using the name of the ancient language to craft a spell if you use the true name of the ancient language to force everyone to do something you would affect yourself as well because you can do magic. Also using it so no one can cast spells dosen't work because spells can be cast without the AL.

In response to greekdragonrider. Yes Brom did warn him against trying to summon the dead however Brom didn't know about the VOS which is completely unknown. Also it's called the vault of SOULS. SOULS seems to hinting somewhere dosen't it?

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Maybe eragon can say something like 'hey galby i know the tn name of the al give up or die' in the al only making it sound better.

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
to tell Galby I know the Als name in the Al would mean he would tell Gably the true name of the Al as they would be speaking in the Al. I also don't think Galby would care nor would Eragon take this approach.

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well maybe he could say the al words for 'old words' or something like that.

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Galby probably still won't care as Galby thinks he is a God.

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Well him and an army of grey will folk kill galby.

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Where did this army of grey folk come from?

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
The knurla god guntera might be a grey folk.

1.He's like nothing eragon has seen before.
2.He's powerful.
3.He's not faked because you can't fake a mind.




P.S.In unanswered topics i should have a topic on him.

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I already made a topic for him http://www.saphiraforums.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=8040 but whatever he/it is I doubt it will help Eragon in the final battlle or in any battle.

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Also it's called the vault of SOULS. SOULS seems to hinting somewhere dosen't it?
i have raised this exact topic before. the word soul and the word spirt are the same thing. spirts as we all know from book 3 can perform complicated & powerful magic

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No, spirit and souls are not the same thing at least not in Eragon's universe as when Eragon talks with Arya about them she tells him they are NOT the souls of the dead.

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if this is off topic sorry but one of these posts gave me an idea and that is could the RoK be the place where they put the swords of the riders when they die, and eragon will use the power in the swords to help him defeat Galby?

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That would only be of use if the riders had stored huge amounts of energy in their swords. Also it would be impractical for Eragon to carry huge amounts of rider's swords around with him.

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i mean he could take all the energy and put it into his sword and the belt of beloth the wise.

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There is a limit to how much energy the gems can store.

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true but i said if they had energy and i dont think they each had as much as neagling so he could probably fit the energy into like 7 gems since the can hold an almost infinate amount of energy.

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That still dosen't answer why the riders would store that much energy in their swords they were never under threat until Galby came along.

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maybe for the use of future riders because they still did dangerous missions and there were still evil people like the razac.

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1 rider took on the Ra'zac.(Eragon) and easily beat them. Also in a rider vs Ra'zac rider would win with one word. As the Ra'zac would have no magical protection.to speak of. Also Riders carried Eldurnai to boost their own magical powers so they would never really face an really dangerous enemy. Anything like a shade would be dealt with by much stronger riders such as vrael.

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Ya probably i just thought it would be kinda cool for eragon to open the VoS and see like 1000 swords and like faints. :lol:

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
wow mr. aluminumclock, let's not go shooting down ideas. Who says that it's a bad idea for there to be thousands of rider's swords in the VOS? It would be pretty cool......and of course the riders' swords would have a lot of energy stored in them. Why else would they need precious stones on their swords and belts. Im sure every rider stored at least a little bit of energy in the gems on their swords at least every once in a while. I doubt they'd have them there just for show.


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ya and they need some place to store them because the are indestructable.

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Actually you can destroy a rider's sword that is why only 4 pieces of the elf smith's work are still believed to exist. In Eldest the smith even says that "he" came and destroyed them, centuries of work obliterated in a instance.

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yes they are BELEIVED to exsist but who says there are not any more hidden from the riders who died before Galbatorix.

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I wasn't saying that the swords couldn't be in the VOS I was pointing out that you wouldn't need a place to store the swords because they aren't indestructible as you had stated.

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ya and they need some place to store them because the are indestructable.

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yes but as you said in another topic the riders had no real threats before galby so why would they destroy them if the rider dies.

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Why would they need to destroy the swords considering riders are immortal and there were no serious threats against them why would the riders die why couldn't they just keep there own swords.

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That is what im trying to say.

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So you're agreeing with me that there is no need for a place to store the swords so they won't be stored at the VOS or the ROK. Awesome.

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not exactly, what i am saying maybe instead of destroying the swords they could store them away because if the sword-maker did not like it when galby destroyed the swords why would she allow and elf or someone else to destoy them but i do admit the more i think about it the more unlikly it seems. So i am beggining to agree with you........weird.

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As I said earlier they don't need a place to store lots of swords because riders rarely died and only in significant amounts when Galby rebelled. So until Galby came along there would be very few swords to store. Also Galby or Morsworn destroyed most of Rheuron's work probably along with any other rider's swords that they took from dead riders but did not keep.

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true the forsworn would probably destoy the swords so any future riders could not use them.

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Don't know exactly where they are but could one of them be on the riders island?? :?:

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No one would need another sword. Murtagh and Galby ahs one and Eragon has one of the most powerful ones Rhunen has ever created.

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What about greenie's rider.

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Rhunon might have enough brightsteel to make another one.

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Rhunon says that the brightsteel that Eragon found was enough for seven swords so with what she has left she can make six more swords.

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I'm pretty sure she said several not seven.

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She said several. Either way there still is enought bright steel to make greenie's rider's sword. Plus there is also the green sword that came from another rider.

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I highly doubt that Rhunon will let the next rider take the sword.

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Because the sword has to be absolutely perfect for them to take it and Eragon thought Zar'roc was best for him and Rhunon didn't like him having it, she wouldn't let someone take a sword that isn't specifically made for them.

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
Do you think that Zar'roc is right for Murtagh?

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January 4th, 2010, 3:35 am Profile
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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
the rock of kuthian i believe is located on vroen arubea or something like that i cant spell that great but i can at least read and i believe that he will lose saphira in the last battle if so ill cry

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January 4th, 2010, 3:46 am Profile
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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
No, I don't think so, his fighting is much like Eragon's and he only stole Zar'roc because he thought he should have it over Eragon.

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January 4th, 2010, 4:01 am Profile
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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
How well do you think that Brom's would suit Eragon? Brom did teach Eragon how to fight.

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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
It doesn't matter that Brom taught him how to fight and Rhunon already said that Brom's sword is wrong for Eragon.

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January 5th, 2010, 2:28 am Profile
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Post Re: Rock of Kuthian and The Vault Of Souls
Yeah, I know. It still would have been cool if Eragon got Brom's sword.

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