waznt katrina captured by the raz'zac in eldest? and im pretty sure in the preview of the 1st two chapters of brisinger that eragon and roran go to save her, so i doubt roran will die since its taking place in the beginning of the book

and my memory is not serving me well b/c i cannot remember whether or not sloan intentionally had katrina kidnapped or not, but he gets kidnapped as well so if he did it backfired

you're right it slipped my mind about katrina being kidnapped, well any way everything after that, could still happen, oh about sloan WAS HE CAPTURED or was it an act??? The way the book described it was in Eragon's point of view, but i could've happened differtly than what he thought, for all we no they are both safe, pawns in Galbotorix's plan



right, that "battle" tht takes place in the beggining i don't think isa true battle, at least not the one he will die in, think about it if galbatorix can't defeat Eragon physically what better way to attack than through the heart? All he has to do is strip Eragon of Everything dear to him, and Eragon may not be emotionally stable personally i think that Murtagh will kill roran

BUT i think he will be forced to by Galbatorix because Galbatorix knows Murtaghs true name

yes sloan waz captured.. it makes since 4 galby to attack eragon emotionally, but i dnt think he even nos that roran is eragons cousin. he could find it out later tho. i personally dnt think rorans going to die, bc cp has someone set it up to where it appears roran will b the next king after galbys finished off, so he cant die if thats the case. if u completely disregard that theory tho, yes there is a chance someone will come after roran, especially after what he pulled in caravell (cant spell)

whoops i thought the special edition of eldest had the first two chapters of brisinger in it. guess it didnt lol sry

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but seriously u don't think Roran will die?????

no roran isnt going to die. he and katrina will most likely become king and queen after galbys out of the pic. he also is the one in angelas vision trying to say goodbye to eragon.

ok, so every1 thinks Ormis and gladrea (sory cant spell) are going to die, aren't they too obvius, it u had to pik some1 else other than those too hoo would it b??????

i think murtagh or orik (dwarf guy) will die

i think Murtagh will give his life for Eragon



remember i sed someone totally dif. up farther, but im exploring all the options OK??

if he JOINED him, but what if he was forced to?

It could be that as well. But, that brings up an even bigger question: What did Galbatorix use to bribe Murtagh to his side? Was it magic, some sort of past tragedy, or the fact that Murtagh is Morzan's blood son? Oh, this is getting good!

I like you, Arya_an_Eragon_<3! You're a really good coversationalist! You bring up good ideas and challenge them all to see what they're truly made of. Keep it up! Hope to see you around more!

thx, u too


mayb Galbatorix PRETENDED to no Morzan's name and threatened to use it

Or perhaps he really does know it! Being king, Galbatorix would probably know most of his servants true names. The true names thing is a deep subject. I'm going to be anxious to see how it comes into the ultimate plot.

right and hes really CONTROLLINZG him, but i think Murtagh is going to break off and help Eragon in turn would cost him his life

Yes, yes, I agree! But of course, that opens up another plot: How is Murtagh going to escape Galbatorix?

LOL! No wonder Paolini had to split it into two books! We keep coming up with unresolved plots!

idk maybe w/ the help of Angela or Elva cuz they can foresee things

Perhaps Eragon will become trapped at Uru'baen and Murtagh helps him get out, but has to give his life so that Eragon can live on.

tht makes sense, but were would the Raz'zac fit in???

Roran and Eragon would fight the Ra'zac near the beginning of the book.

i don't no, wat about Katrina

yes but it waz murtagh who he pretended to no the name of, not morzan. thats murtaghs father. and he could really no his name and be using it to control him, but another way to look at it is that murtagh "likes" being controlled. he likes all of the power that comes with it, and has decided he might as well enjoy if hes being controlled. so in a way, murtagh may have just b using the fact that galby said he knew his real name as an excuse to fight for the bad side.

but was Morzan deep down Bad or Controlled??? just another way to c things....

Sorry I didn't reply so quickly. I had to go to church. Anyways, I do believe that Morzan was bad. Not controlled, just bad.

but after everything he went threw as a kid, you'd think he would not want to be lik his father

True, very true, and he said in the book Eragon that he hated his father. So then why would he join Galbatorix?

he wouldn't wich is y i think he's either being threatened, blackmailed or controlled

Yes, I agree. But how? It's all so interesting! I wonder if this is what it's like to be in a book club.

uhhhh yea... i have no idea

We don't have book clubs around here. I guess our schools too small. Even if there were some, I probably wouldn't join them. I'm too busy with other things.

i dnt think murtagh is really a bad person deep down. he wants to b good, its just as if hes decided that b/c hes morzans son, that evil is in his blood and he cant run from it. he also likes not being second best to eragon any more, since galby has made him so powerful. just my opinion about him

i agree but

Yep, he was probably forced to join Galbatorix. I mean, Galby killed his master, Tornac. He should be pretty sad, right?

Yeah, I think that Murtagh was forced into joining Galbatorix with the whole name thing. I just wonder if he'll ever break out from it.

Actually, there is a BIG chance that Murtagh will become good!!
If he doesn't die before Eragon kills Galby, then there is a chance that he will break free because there will be no more Galby to be loyal to.
On the other hand, Galby taught Murtagh dark magic so Murtagh might be bound to the Dark Magics. Or Murtagh might turn good before Galby dies. Only CP knows!!

Well, to be honest, I think that Murtagh will die doing a noble thing, like protecting Eragon or somebody else from death, but dying in the process. But nobody will know for sure until the next two books are released.

True. Maybe Galbatorix is about to giv Eragon his death blow but Murtagh will somehow disobey Galby and jump in the way, giving Eragon enough time to kill Galby. Then after Galbatorix is dead, Murtagh will still be alive, but soon he will die making Eragon very sad. Then, if Arya dies too, that would probably make him so sad that he leaves Alagaisia wich is in his future. It all conects!!

A friend of mine had this idea that maybe galby was actually good or that murtagh believed he was good and that eragon was misguided. i thought it was kinda strange, but they requested i posted it.

I think that murtagh is very neutral normally, but when it concernes his safety he will go the safest side to save his own skin and then when a better oppurtunity appears then he leaves as his own master. And of course the varden is hardly safe, and he has connections with galbotorix that he can use so it's no wonder he did go to galby.

As for the battle, somebody is going to have to be killed because well, thats what happens in good, realistic fantasy. Maybe Arya, Roran, everybory except the riders, angela or solembum, jeod or roimis

sorry for any errors as i havent read the books in ages so iam a bit rusty

Actually that isn't possible. When Galby didn't no Murtagh's true name Murtagh joined with the Varden wether they were safe or not. He doesn't join the side he think's safest, he joins the side he thinks is rite. Also, it is immpossible for Galby to be good, i mean, HE KILLED THE RIDER"S for REVENGE!!
Keep thinking tho!!

Actually, Galby would NOT have slaughtered him.
Murtagh only joined because Galby new his true name and used this to make Murtagh swear to be loyal to him.

WHAT?!?!
In Eldest in the chapter Inheritance Murtagh says and i quote, "...he knows our true names Eragon, we are his slaves forever..."
See?? Check it yourself.

Srry. Didn't mean to make u angry.

Same with me. I get over-exited.

Don't remember, but it's only us two talking now, so i think this topic has ended.

My temper gets so out of hand one time i tripped my brother then started banging his head into the floor

At least he didn't start choking his brother, then think better of it and start twisting his arm instead, then put his brothers hand aound his neck and frame his brother.

Ok, we've had our fun, so let's get back to the topic.

Someone mentioned earlier that there was a chance that Galbatorix was good and that Eragon was misguided. It is a very creative plot idea, but I don't think that CP would come up with a four-book series just to drag us to the end and say "Everything you know is a lie!" However, the idea that Galbatorix might persuade Eragon into thinking for a time that he is actually the good-side might be a good plot twister. This might even be the inner-conflict of Eragon's that CP has mentioned. Most likely, though, it will be something weren't even thinking of, but it is a good idea.

Someone also brought up the statement that Murtagh goes for the side that is the safest. I like that statement and I really think that it fits Murtagh's character. Whichever side Murtagh will end up on is up the CP and we will not know for sure until the final two books have been released.

GREAT!! U just gave the line that is supposed to b saved for the end"...we will not know for sure until the final two books have been released." That preaty much ends the topic rit there. (i'm not mad).

I'm not mad either. I don't even really know if this forum went by the topic which was about the battle. But anywho...

LOL!! Ur rite.

What does the topic mean? Were we supposed to describe how we thought the battle in book 3 would unfold?

Yes, I agree. The topic of this forum doesn't really even make any sense. We'll just have to see in book 3.

Ur rite. Unless someone gets this topic going, we mite as well drop it, so imm gonna try to get it going. Who do u think will win it. The empire could very well win.

Well, it's possible that they could. But most likely the good guys will win, but for once there should be a book in which the bad guys win, just as a twist.

If they did, then the Varden would hav to flee. Then maybe the elves will start fighting and the new base will be Du Weldenvarden.

Well, I doubt that will happen, because that would seem like an entire other trilogy was about to unfold. That's why the good guys should win.