Near the end of Eldest when Murtagh (son of Morzan) is forced to find and capture Saphira and Eragon and he says that Galbatorix knows their True Names, and has complete control over them and only he can release them from the oaths he forced them to take, do the oaths break if Galbarotix dies or is it permanent until the people who had to take the oaths die? I could not figure that one out. I am just curious.

Ya, I can't figure it out either!
I thought It was a smidge stupid Murtagh did not say his real name so eragon could free him right then and there!
Oh, and what do you think of thorn?
(personally, It looks like he's almost smiling on the cover of Eldest)

yea really. but if murtagh just said thorns and his name it would have ended right there. but the crack head didnt. to bad it will come to book 3 to know what happens/

lol, i agree! i think that Murtagh and Thorn will both be freed in book 3 by Eragon

I think murtagh was bad from the beginning; he took oath to galbatorix since the beginning; he pretend to be nice just to gain eragon's trust; later in book 3 murtagh somehow will pretend surrender to eragon and attack the varden from inside... i think that's the way the oath does.. You guys maybe hard to believe this, but that's what a writer does, he won't write anything public knows or expected

Hopefully Murtagh will be freed by Eragon. If not the only choice left is him dying, which, I'm sure, no one wants to happen. But, once again it's up to CP to decide his fate.

it was said in the book that Murtagh can be freed... but only Galbatorix can. and i believe the death of Galbatorix can undo it {coz im sure that evil king wont lift it himself...over his dead body he will say...so be it}.
if one dies, then the spell that binds caster and subject will be broken. the spell wont be as powerful as if the caster is alive. i think, that spells also lives and breathes-in the caster's energy, like how Eragon drew his energy from living things and even from Saphira

i hope even if Murtagh dies {which i hope he wont}, he will be freed first and *sigh* ask Eragon's forgiveness, then live for a day or two then leave the world forever... heeheehee...

I hope that Murtagh's oath can be broken. Like what if he like kills galby then it will be broken right?
Or maybe he doesn't want it to be broken. But then he could have easily killed Eragon. I mean he was obviously way more powerful than Eragon.

He couldn't of been cursed from the beginning or else he would have been forced to kill Eragon

no because he is a mna of his word

I didn't read this whole discusion butjust wanted 2 say that Murtagh swore not to Hurt Roran, sowither they will pair up or Roran will kill him in an unfair way.

Well, when the person dies, the other person who had an oath to the other doesn't have an oath anymore. Think of it like magic. When Durza died the spell on the Urgals died, too.

fathskie, i dont think Murtagh was bad from the start. Angela predicted that Eragon would be betrayed from within his own family. but hasnt Murtagh already betrayed Eragon by letting Galbatrox extract every thing he knew about Eragon Saphira??

Im sure he tried to resist. He meant no harm, and still doesnt. He guinunly believes galbys plan to be ok...

Murtagh isn't better than Eragon Murtagh was just sitting and watching while Eragon Fought for Hours using all his magic in the process

Murtagh is better at magic, Eragon couldnt lift saphira with magic...

yes but Eragon still would have been able to hold his own and who know Eragon Might have hurt thorn more if he was not so weak from fighting and Eragon would not have given Murtagh the chance to heal his Dragon

So...Murtagh would win even if they were both rested. None can best him at magic.

yes but what if Eragon drained all surounding life of some of it's enrgy then he might be ablle to beat murtagh

we shall likely see in the next book

yes we will i hope murtagh lives

as do most of us. He is still good at heart, else he wouldn't have let Eragon go.

i don't know, but if galby has been honing his powers for about a century (not sure) then couldn't he have been doing the same thing for murtagh? and that might be why he would be stronger than eragon (not saying he is).

Quite right your are actually. I myself was fighting in that battle and I could've sworn I saw a redish thing dive between the clouds one or two times. The second time I shot an arrow at it. I missed by that ---->ll much but I doubt it would've down much harm anyways.

do you always talk so much balls?

katerna.........if everyone here was going to be labeled youd be labeled biggest(place label here)

If Galb. himself was training Murtagh...don't ya think he would be a little more powerful than Eragon?

i just kinda wanted to do that but ya i think if eragon had all of his energy he could have taken him but didnt murtagh (cant remember how to spell it) say golb tought him some incredible magic that elves r afraid of whats that?

Yes, but he was already under influence.

I don't think he was bad from the beginning. Don't forget that his life hasn't benn very happy.
Eragon is a more noble character, but he grew up next to Roran and Garlow who both loved him.
Murtagh had not this chance.
One who has been loved, one who was not... One becomes bad, the other become a hero.
Murtagh had no choice..

well on the peak if his oath was to capture saphira and eragon and he didnt he let them go that means galby dosnt have compeat controll over him yet and maby while eragons fighting him eragon will take a serious blow and just befor galby strikes murtagh comes and stabs him with his hand-and-a-half sword.


i dnt know just an idea.

I'm sure that there is a terrible secret behind Galby's power.
Murtagh learned magics too rapidly to be honest!

At the end of Eldest, Eragon cannot compete.

Yeah but if eragon was not tired he would have won the sword fight

Hang on, can murtagh draw energy from other things around him? cos if he cant (thought he probably can) eragon could just take murtagh & thorn's energy so they were too weak to defeat him!

i confuse myself

not if murtagh put up barriers Galbatorix probably taught him to defend against that. Plus Eragon doesn't want to kill murtagh he's just really mad at him right now

I don't want to be harsh, but I don't think that Eragon could have defeat Murtagh,
even if he had plenty of his powers...

I don't know.

But I'm also sure that Eragon will become the strongest rider af all in book 3!

like ive said many many times i dont think that murtogh should have defeated him!

ya, Eragon will be leader of the next generation of riders

lol what was the topic again?

murtagh is just stronger cuz he knows his true name

I didn't know you got stronger if you knew your true name? And where does it say Murtagh knows his own true name?!

somewhere sopposedly lmao but I know that Brom said in book 1 that ur True name can either give u great power or turn u insane but i heard from someone that murtogh knew his own name

What if the 3rd Rider, his/her dragon, Saphira, Eragon and some other magicians/elves were to help break the oath?

Can the oath be broken with mere magic? How will they beable to life the oath? I think it will only work if the one he swore alligance to sets him free in the AL

well, i would think it can but mostlikely no. If murtagh would go to the elves he might be able to. But most likely no. he would have to hide within du weldenvarden if he were to escape from galbotorix

it might be able to be broken

I could have sworn that oromis said oaths can be broken, blessings can be lifted etc. but it takes a lot of skill.

yeah bbut it wouldnt work unless galby did it he is too powerful for someone else to do it

unless ormis helps eragon to lift it!!!

nah, eragons got mad skill! he can lift it himself, for he said that HE would lift Elva's curse, without help

that could be right. It does take alot of skill and he did say that. there is always a "but" in these kind of situations! lol

true enough. but you have to admit, he said that he will release Elvas cure. you cant deny that, and i dont think hes gonna drag her to Ellesmera

And he says he has enough strength to repair the star sapphire- that's pretty powerful!

acutually Saphira says that she would fix the star thing and Ormis(i think spelled that wrong) is way to weak to help Eragon lift the spell that Galby put murtagh




PS:OnLY AN OPNION

Saphira helps eragon with strength, but he has to use the magic.

depends if murtagh wants to break the oath i say yes though

I agree with you. Could it be that Morzan as Galbatorix's most faithful forworn told him Murtag's real name?

Arya eragon and Saphira could lift the oth

If, (and this is a very big if) in the story plot there is any hope for Murtagh to be redemed, then there is a possibility that Ayra & Eragon would be able to break the curse.

i think that the last eggs rider will have to be the one to kill galbortorix because he wont know there true name.

The oath can be broken if Murtagh decides to change his character, thus changing his true name

I think the oath can be broken cuz eragon said it could be broken.

exactly, that's what i just said. lol

I hope it can be broken. I wonder if Murtagh might have been placed under a spell or something, because of how he acted about Gabby's ideas for the future, he seems almost completely different compared to how we first saw him.

Also, the fact that he was 'forced' to make said oath raises this question: If he was forced to do it, having no other choice, could the oath become null and void once he finds another choice? Another words, because he was forced to make the oath, could that be the key to undoing the oath?

I really hope he can be freed, but I worry that he might not be freed. That would really stink, he is one of my favorite characters and I hated finding out what happened to him.

yeah, the spell can be broken if murtagh changes who he is so that the spell put on his true name won't hold anymore.

i think murtagh will break the oath in the 4th book.

really, this topic was answered in the third book, but now the new question is when, and i don't think murtagh will. he could if he wants to, but he won't

i think he will at the end of the fourth book

the end why the end i think the begining just after Eragon kills galby

yeah, towards the end of the 4th book, murtagh will change his true name, help eragon kill galby, then everythings ends great, then in the epilogue, the dragon hatches, and the end

Yah they may have made him swear an oath that makes it where He cant tell anyone his true name..but maybe he doesnt kno it to tell anyone.

I think CP should write one of the books in murtaghs point of view

please don't double post. either edit or delete one of your posts.



no, murtagh doesn't do enough to justify a book in his pov

id rather have a book in Nasuada's or Arya's pov.

again, not enough to justify that. it'd be really boring