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Right i had an idea on how eragon could defeat galbys powerful magic. In book 3 the ra'zac said galby had nearly discovered 'the name' i think he meant the ancient language's true name which would mean he could make a ward to guard against the ancient language AKA magic. that might give the varden enough time to either separate galby from the eldunari and/ or smash them which is my thoery on how eragon would defeat galby. Anyone else think this is possible?

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I don't know how possible that would be because though Eragon is experienced in magic, there is a lot that he doesn't know and he doesn't have any help and it would be hard for him to protect himself against something that he doesn't know and it would be really dangerous. Also, it would be hard to get to the Eldunari because Galby isn't leaving his castle where the Eldunari are and they don't have speelcasters strong enough to get past the wards he would put around them.

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I don't really think so.

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Why not? He can't defend against something he doesn't know about.

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I was talking about what sblobby said.

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yea i do admit now that i look back at it, it does seem a little far fetched but CP does write some stuff that some never predicted. :?

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Yes, but most of it did make sense in the long run and sorry eragon+arya I just didn't know what you meant.

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Don't worry. Eragon will definetly have to separate Galby from his eldunari to beat him. That much is obvious.

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Hopefully with the help of Murtagh! That would be good.

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Yea i was just racking my brain for ways he could separate galby from them and that was my only idea, so anyone else have any theories on hopw he could separate galby from the eldunari.

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I think that either Murtagh gets free, Jeod finds another way into the castle, or the new rider knowd of a way to get them.

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Oh ye i forgot about jeods search for those hidden passages. That's probably a more probable outcome :) nice one

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I don't know about that though. It is a very slim chance that he will find another passage and for it to work would be something miraculous because after the first time, Galby probably protected more that he found if any.

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Also about the ward. Eragon has had this discussion with Oromis. He can make himself almost invulnerable to attack with wards however if the energy used by his wards to block an attack is greater than the energy at Eragon's disposal he dies. So the ward thing wouldn't work as all Gably would have to do is cast a powerful spell and Eragon would die.

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I think the most probable explanation for what Galby has almost found would be the name of the AL.

An ultimate ward, huh? Hmmm...If he worded the AL right when he's casting the magic, it might work. But aluminiumclock is right, he wouldn't have the energy to keep from dying if Gably launched a powerful spell at him.

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Yes but if he placed wards that did like Oromis said, that gave him a way out he could, but it seems Eragon doesn't really do that.

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Hmmm.. you're right about the energy but as gnome said he could word it so he could abandon it, he would only need to maintain it for as long as it took eragon or the elves to separate galbatorix from the eldunari.

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Yeah, I remember Oromis talking about that. Something about absolutes and whatnot.

He could definitely word the spells so that he could sever the flow of magic if he needed to. But would that make the wards weaker?

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Don't know, but it probably would.

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Eragon doesn't know enough magic to deflect his wards or enough power anyways.

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Deflect his wards? :? Do you mean deflect his spells?

He would if he got whatever kind of power is in the VoS before he faced off with Galbatorix. But that's a different topic...

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I don't think that not using an absolute would make the ward weaker it would allow him to sever it when he was at the edge of his enduranmce so he didn't die so i would say that that aspect makes the ward in general stronger.

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Saphirarox wrote:
Deflect his wards? :? Do you mean deflect his spells


No. I mean wards. The thread topic is wards. We're talking about wards. You use spells to make wards. You can weaken wards with spells.

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Yes but it only weakens the ward if that is the spell or spell type the ward is protecting you against any other spell would get through and harm you without taking any energy from you to fuel the ward.

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That doesn't really make sense.

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Wards don't get weaker or stronger. Let's say I have a ward that protects me from fire. If a fireball of energy X is lobed at me then the energy source of the ward loses X amount of energy however the ward will still block the entire attack. Next time a fireball is launched at me it will still be blocked entirely and the energy required to block or deflect the fireball will be removed from it's energy source. The energy source is usually the spellcaster and wards are really spells that are only activated when what they protect against is used to attack the thing it is supposed to protect which is again usually the spellcaster. If the energy required by the ward is greater than the magician has available then he/she will die. A ward will continue to give the same amount of protection until it's energy source is used. I say energy source because skilled spellweavers can term the spell so it draws energy from a gem an example would be the wards around Oromis. However when the gem no longer has no energy in it the ward would no longer provide any protection.

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No. They get weaker. They obviously can't get stronger.

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If the energy source gets more energy then the ward will be able to block more net energy. This might be in terms of more attacks or blocking a more powerful attack. So wards can get stronger. I'll concede weaker if you define it as the ward having less energy so be able to block less "things" before it stops blocking "things". Anyway the point I was trying to make in my last post was that what slobby said does make sense if I had a ward that protected me from fire linked to a gem and you zapped me with electricity the fire ward would be the same strength afterwards.

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Yes, but Eragon would never do that.

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A ward is only as strong as the amount of energy the spellcaster who is controlling it gives it. So a ward can only take a certain amount of hits before it is depleted and destroyed.

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That is very true Saphirarox.

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Thanks! :D

Ex: If a spellcaster were to put half of the energy from his body alone (no outside sources, ie plants, animals, other people) into a ward against swords, then it would only take so many hits before the energy given to the ward while it was being placed gave out.

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Yes, but he would also be going into battle with half his strength already gone and Eragon seldom remembers to put energy in Brisingr and his diamonds.

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maybe he'll turn wise and remember to this time around :wink:

and he's got Aren. lol

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Your forgetting that he always has Aren and Glaedr's eldunari on him, and they have a lot of energy.

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Eragon would never squander the energy in Aren. For as long as he has had it, he still hasn't used it at all.

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I'm pretty sure if it was the last battle, he would use it.

still, the point is that this ward thing would most likely not work, because either way he can't supply enough energy to keep it going for long. he doesn't have to know the name of the ancient language to protect himself. still, finding out the name of the ancient language would most probably be useful, but not for this... lol.

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It isn't very likely that Eragon would find it. He stumbled on a true name once but that was because he knew the man his whole life and Eragon isn't exactly looking for it. Plus, his knowledge of the ancient language is very limited.

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Lol, maybe it was before he went to Ellesmera, but if you remember, Oromis gave him dictionaries and other things in the ancient language to memorize. And he definitely would have to know near perfect al to speak it fluently with elves since that's what they consider to be polite behavior. (On top of a lot of other things.)

Although if you want to think of it this way, knowing the true name of the al could be considered a ward in a round-about sort of way, because he could use it to keep magic-users from using spells against him. Except maybe dragons or anybody not using the al to shape the magic. (Which, as Oromis said, is very dangerous.)

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Yes, but it is doubtful that Eragon would find the name of the ancient language with a combination of any of the words from those documents, as Murtagh said, the elves don't use a lot of the ancient language for many reasons.

The ancient language could do an endless amount of things. We could spend days discussing what it could do/

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lol, you don't need to know the name of the ancient language to protect yourself from spells...

it is pretty doubtful he would find the ancient language, not just because of what's been said, but because he's not even looking for it. we don't know that anybody is looking for this name, it's just a theory that someone came up with, lol.

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Lol, I know, but I think someone mentioned the al's true name somewhere up at the top, that's what I was referring to. Sorry if I confused anybody.

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I don't think that the name of the AL has been mentioned since the first book.

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It has, just in passing though.


I suppose Eragon could say in the al: "Protect me from all forms of magic and attacks from swords and bows."

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He could still be strangled, drowned, beaten, mauled, knifed... etc. Also the ward would eventually run out.

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Well, yeah there is an endless amount of possible ways for him to die. I don't think he would word a spell that way. That doesn't leave much room for him to end it if he needed to.

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Yea there are too many possibilities for death for Eragon to create a spell to guard against all of them and i think we've estabilished that the ward is quite unfeasible.

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Plus the amount of energy to keep that kind of ward up would probably kill him.

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Lol, guys (and gals), I was kidding. I know that wouldn't work.

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I think that Eragon or Galby should challenge the other to a fight to the death. Just magic and swords. No eldunari, dragons, or any thing else.

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That would be amazing, if it were only swords. Right now Galby could tear Eragon apart with magic, he doesn't even need a sword. Which means that his swordsmanship has probably declined from lack of use...

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I highly doubt it. If Galby knows he will have to fight soon then he wouldn't let any of his skills get bad.

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Galby believes that he is the greatest magician ever. Considering his arrogance he probably hasn't even contemplated anything nullifying his magic and so hasn't bothered to fine tune his swordsmanship. Even if he has only one person has ever equalled Eragon with a blade in a fair fight. Galby's oversight of the sword may be the weakness that brom was pointing out.

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Which would give Eragon an advantage, because he is a natural-born swordsman to start with.

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Galby probably let his swordsmanship skills go, but he seems to be pretty arrogant like you said, so he might. If Eragon were to fight Galby in a fight to the death they should either only have a limited number of eldunaris each or not have any at all, because Galby has way more than Eragon.

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Galby wouldn't just forget about his swordsmanship. He isn't stupid.

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No, but he is arrogant. If he thinks he can beat anybody by just using magic, then he wouldn't bother to keep up his swordsmanship.

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Kind of how in armies nowadays they don't teach you swordsmanship because they don't think that you will need it.

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In armies nowadays they don't teach swordsmanship because soldiers don't even carry swords and Galby isn't so arrogant that he would let any skills go to waste and he had to teach Murtagh everything he knows now so that's proof right there he doesn't neglect his swordsmanship.

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Murtagh was taught swordsmanship by tornac who was killed when him Murtagh escaped Galby.

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Yeah, remember when Murtagh was telling Eragon about why he named his horse Tornac? He said he named him after the man who taught him how to fight.

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So? Eragon was taught swordsmanship by Brom but still did it when he was in Ellesmera. Just because he was taught it before doesn't mean that Galby wouldn't still teach him.

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i don't think galby would fight without his eldunari why should he? he could just sit tight in his castle until eragon came to him afterall i don't think he's in a rush, he has forever to live. if he fought eragon he would want to do it at the height of his power wouldn't he?

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About Galby training Murtagh. Murtagh is already one of best swordsmen in alagaesia, unless Galby is also an incredibly gifted swordsman then there isn't much that he could teach Murtagh.

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He would still teach him none the less and even so if he found out that Murtagh was better than him, he would train his skills until they were better. Like someone said, he is arrogant.

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Swordsmanship doesn't work like that it's like a lot of things in life there is an aspect of skill involved it's not just how much you practised. Which is why Eragon was a far better swordsman than almost anyone in the Varden when they had been training for years and he had only been training for a few months (I'm talking about when he was still human). Personally I can picture it more like when Galby loses he picks up Murtagh with Magic and slams him against the wall or something like that.

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Galby is not an over- hormonal brute, he would not just do that because he lost and he was stronger than the Varden because he is a dragon rider. Its not that he would be better than them if he wasn't, just like he is better with magic or anything else because he is a dragon rider.

In any case, yes swordsmanship does work like that. If you don't use it for say hundreds of years, you wouldn't be as good as you were back then. If he did find out that Murtagh was stronger he would train more and if Murtagh knew things he didn't, which I highly doubt, he would make them skills of his own. Like Saphirarox said, "he is arrogant."

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But, what AL said is true. You can't get all those skills of swordsmanship just by training and training. Eragonhad just been training for a few months, and Brom had been training for years, but Eragon beat Brom.

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And Brom acknowledged that it was because of how old he was. You can however get rusty and out of practice if you don't practice for a long time.

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What about all the people at the Varden and all the soldiers he fought? They had been training for years.

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Like I said, he is a dragon rider. He was stronger than normal humans and spellcasters and everything else.

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How was it that he could defeat that elf after the Blood-Oath Celebration then?

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caterpillar Just read the books and look at what you just said. If it isn't plainly obvious. I'm not going to sit here and waste my time explaining it to you.

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Well I havn't read the books in a while, so I'll go back and read them and see what you mean.

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What it mentions in the book is dragon riders being faster and stronger than ordinary people not that they suddenly become the best swordsman under the sun. There not any evidence to suggest becoming a rider makes you a good swordsman, Murtagh was good before he became a rider and Eragon didn't become an amazing swordsman overnight.

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Not to mention that Brom told Eragon that he was a rare and talented swordsman. That was before the Blood Oath Celebration and, like so many have already said, he had only been training for a few months. He was evenly matched with Murtagh, who had been trained to fight for years, when they first practiced together.

So Eragon is a very good swordsman to start with.

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But he was better because he was a dragon rider. He he had never become one I doubt he would be as good as a swordsman as he is now. Murtagh is a great swordsman because he trained with one of the best in the Empire.

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We have no idea how good a swordsman eragon would be if he wasn't a dragon rider seeing as he never used a sword before becoming a dragon rider. Murtagh is a great swordsman partly because of his training buy mostly because his is naturally talented. When your near the best at something skill has far more to do with it than training. I'll give you a real world example. In the English Premiership football league all the players are professionals and they all train for similar amounts of time each week but certain players like Roony are much better than other players like Chimbonda because they are far more skill-ful.

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I don't really care. My whole point from the beginning was that he isn't going to not practice his swordsmanship after hundreds of years when he has had so much experience in fighting and knows that he will have to have a sword fight again. I'm done with this argument.

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Okay, but I want to say something again...Brom said he was a rare and talented swordsman after only a few months training, so the only explanation is that Eragon is a natural with a sword, kind of like I'm a natural when it comes to riding horses.

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Galby is probably a pretty amazing swordsman. How else would he have been able to defeat all the other riders.

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"Magic" Though as its been said there hardly ever fights with only magic.

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January 15th, 2010, 3:12 am Profile
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Yeah, but he still probably would have had to have been a pretty good swordsman.

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I know. That is what I have been trying to say this whole time.

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Do you think that Eragonis better than Glaby though?

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No, he is very talented but if Murtagh can easily beat him, I think Galby can too.

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The only reason he can easily beat Eragon are the Eldunaris. Remember, Eragon was completely changed by the dragons, so his physical capabilities are far better than Murtagh's when he isn't being sustained by dragons. And before Eragon was changed they were an even match.

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We don't know if they would be an even match. Galby could have changed Murtagh as well.

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Murtagh is also now as strong and quick as an elf. In all the fair fights between him and Eragon they have been exactly equal. Secondly no matter how good Galby is/was with a sword he could not have taken on four or five elves at once. The way that Galby beat all the riders is that he is a master at breaking into other people's minds. If I remember Oromis explains this was how Galby beat the riders despite the fact he was so outnumbered.

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We don't know that. Galby could have changed him.

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Galby has changed him. Murtagh has elf speed and strength which would normally take years for a human rider to acquire. But Galby cannot give Murtagh skill with a sword, he can give him practice but not change his peak. If Galby could then why hasn't he done so with his army or with a small group of elite warriors.

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He did change a small group of warriors, if you have forgotten. Galby didn't change him that much because he still looks human.

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Galby cannot simulate the inexplicable dragon magic that changed Eragon agreed. However he can increase Murtagh's strength and speed he just has to take the strength and speed from other living creatures. Eragon contemplates making Roran faster/stronger before assaulting the Ra'zac's lair using said technique. If he wanted to Galby could give Murtagh elven ears there just isn't any reason to. All Galby did was make Murtagh faster and stronger he did not turn Murtagh into an elf. As for the mentioned small group of warriors what he did there was to remove their ability to feel pain he did not increase their skill with a sword.

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But he did make them a more formidable opponent. I don't think Galby would need to take it from other living creatures. He knows a lot of magic.

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That raises the question why not make Murtagh 10 or 50 times stronger than an elf. As long as the supply of energy was their Murtagh would be unstoppable.

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Maybe he was afraid that Murtagh would turn against him if he did that. If Galby made Murtagh that strong he could easily defeat the king.

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Not if Murtagh was bound to him in the AL and in different ways, but I think that has to do with why he never made Murtagh so powerful. He also probably didn't think that Eragon would be as strong as he was.

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Galby could also just make himself insanely fast and strong and make Murtagh not quite as strong or fast but way stronger than eragon that way victory would be certain. Secondly are you suggesting that next time they meet Murtagh will be miles stronger than eragon because Galby no longer underestimates Eragon. Thirdly in the book it implies that the energy for said spell has to come from other beings not just energy.

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We really only know the bare bones of the facts about this type of magic, which would explain why some of these things have not been done. And if you remember, Oromis said that only Riders who were mentally stable and wise enough were taught the technique of borrowing energy from living beings. He only taught Eragon because there was no other choice. So in all likelihood, galby doesn't know about this. He might know it can be done with dragons, since he is a dragon rider, but he proably doesn't know it can be done with all living things. Which would give Eragon an amazing advantage.

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I think he does because he does not support the magic to full the spells on the dead warriors and he knows magic that Eragon cannot even dream about. Magic that elves do not even know.

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