I feel like we still say the same things over and over again here. We haven't made much progress.

well if you cant make progress in over 1000 posts on one subject then thats a problem. of course, you can kind of exhaust all topics wtih that many posts ,

and back to the double post incident, there were 998, and i really wanted to be the 1000th, just for fun because i think this is the most posted on topic by far.

but since anniebee edited it i didn't gain any, which isn't really too bad becasue that wasn't my main goal

sweet!!!! this is my topic!!! wow! cool.

ok. back on topic: she IS most likely confused, but because she has been in love before, she probably has realized it as of after the battle, which is what i was saying.

WHY? We are humans like everyone else after all!

Yeah really, mods dont know everything.

Well, if mods are like normal people then why do they get to be mods?

Some normal ppl have more responsibilty than others...but no one knows everything.

I had a breakthrough! I was using a method that I learned in English to understand what a line in a poem means: Look up all of the words that can have multiple meaning that can fit in the sentence. I first thought about what they could mean and then it hit me: SHE COULD HAVE MEANT “THE CANDLE STILL BURNS ME”!!! Because she is murmuring to herself, she could have meant herself as a direct object! But I looked up Still and Burns anyway to find any other meanings. Here are the ones that can fit:

Still
–adjective
1. remaining in place or at rest; motionless; stationary
2. free from sound or noise, as a place or persons; silent
3. subdued or low in sound; hushed
4. free from turbulence or commotion; peaceful; tranquil; calm
–adverb
1. at this or that time; as previously
2. up to this or that time; as yet
3. in the future as in the past
4. even then; yet; nevertheless
5. without sound or movement; quietly
6. at or to a greater distance or degree.
7. Archaic. steadily; constantly; always.
–conjunction
1. and yet; but yet; nevertheless

Burn

–verb (used without object)
1. (of a fireplace, furnace, etc.) to contain a fire
2. to feel heat or a physiologically similar sensation; feel pain from or as if from a fire
3. to give off light or to glow brightly
4. to give off heat or be hot
5. to produce pain or a stinging sensation similar to that of fire; cause to smart
6. to feel strong emotion or passion
7. to be engraved by or as if by burning
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause to feel the sensation of heat.
2. to injure, endanger, or damage with or as if with fire
3. to produce with or as if with fire
4. to cause sharp pain or a stinging sensation
5. to consume rapidly, esp. to squander

Mix and match! Practically all combinations work if you think about it. Even burn as containing a fire works (her heart contains a fire, i.e. love) The candle can mean her love, her heart, Eragon (maybe, haven’t tried it with the new meanings), and probably a bunch of stuff. If you are using an adjective meaning of still, then it helps to think of the sentence as this: “The candle, still, burns (me),” still modifying candle.

please, don't try to discredit it in any form without a thorough and well thought out answer. I'm sick of thinking a lot and doing a lot of work and then someone comes along and says i'm wrong with an answer that took them 3 seconds to come up with.

well then could you not do the same thing to everyone else? I think that this one simple sentence is being givin too much thought. the candle still burns fits best into meaning that there is still hope.Not that Arya's in love with Eragon

i can because they only take a couple seconds of thought. and mine are almost always well thought out.

in a single line in a poem, you can overlook a lot if you only look at the obvious meaning. There are often multiple meanings in a line. This seems to have the same depth.

then why did she murmur it? she could have whispered it, but she MURMURED it. she was talking to herself.

Maybe she's fighting with hidden feelings? And also, i noticed that it is almost impossible for arya and Eragon to be together. While in Elesmera{sp}, they always talked in the ancient language. when arya said them together could never be, she sealed their fate...

if she said it can not be, that was her oppinion at that time. she didn't say i wont be in a relationship with you ever.

why is that? she could have easily THOUGHT that she doesn't love Eragon when she said that she doesn't in the AL in the starry glade. Think about this: she doesn't do ANYTHING when she finds out that Eragon isn't dead after the battle of the burning plains. She would have shown at least SOMETHING unless she was hiding her true feelings. If she let them go, they would all rush out. She is trying to take control of her emotions so that she won't comprimize their mission.

do i aways have to say this. Arya is over 100 years old. Eragon is 16! would you really date someone that much older than you even if they were good looking? and would they even want to date you being so young?!

INC, I think you ARE looking too much into that line. Lines in a poem can be examined because the poet put alot of thought into them. They are meant to have hidden meanings. I doubt Arya spent much time pondering what she was going to say. If she meant it to have a hidden meaning, she would have spent enough time thinking about it that she probably wouldn't have said it. I doubt, if she had put that much thought into it, that she would have still decided to murmer about her feelings for Eragon.

As for whether or not they'd date each other, I think Arya might have considered it for a very short time in the beginning. But the age difference is why it wouldn't work. Arya is wise enough to see that, which is why she didn't pursue any feelings she might have had for him. Does Arya still "secretly love" Eragon? No. If she had any feelings for him, I don't think it was anything above thinking he's handsome, etc., and she has long since gotten over it. And, in time I think Eragon will see that they wouldn't work and move on. That many years of difference can't be ignored. It's a question of experience and maturity. I know that I can tell the difference between kids a few years younger than me and those my own age. I have a friend who's 12, but he looks older than he is. But I know him, and there's no way I could mistake him for anything but 12. And that's just three years difference. Arya and Eragon may look similar ages on the outside, but on the inside, Eragon is still growing up, while Arya has been through much more.

I've been in threads on other forums that are over 1 thousand PAGES and those topics still aren't exhausted. But, I admit, those were broader subjects. (If anyone's wondering, I'm thinking of Gateworld Forums, and some of the ship discussion threads [like my favorite, John/Elizabeth] .....anyway, that's not that important.)

Counter-points
He's a dragonrider. People can love after someone they loved has died. Why does dying meaning she won't love him?

How do we even know she is going to die anyway?

The words "can not be, and never will" in the ancient language are the reminders of what she said. Then again, just as there is a way to break Elvas curse, they could probably break that.

im saying even IF she loves him it doesnt matter because shes gonna die and then nothins going to happen

1. u cant prove that.
2. i never said anything about love.

I was referring to IMNC's theory about relationship. I meant, if she DID.

Your theory doesn't work until you explain how you think Arya is going to die and how that affects her loving Eragon.

and there is no proof that shes gona die anyway.

ChetowaVarden, you have to explain your theory that Arya dies.

i dont have much proof other than that someone very important dies in each book and i think that the most likely to die in the third is arya

I don't think it will be Arya. Most likely Galby and Oromis we know is going to die eventually so it'll probably be him.

I think Islanzadi is gonna die. That way it's even, the "unofficial" leader of the humans, Ajihad, died. The leader of the dwarves, Hrothgar, died. And now the leader of the elves, Islanzadi, died. I think it makes sense.

I don't know if she'll die or not, but I do know that Oromis will die and he's an elf. And if Islandzi dies I don't think Arya will take throne because she chose to be the carrier of the egg.

i ohnestly think she does.

thank you for stating the fact that Faolin is dead EbrithilArya, he is dead, she may still love him, but um she needs to get a life and move on, ok. and arya is to important just to the story to die, i mean shes been important and good for so long that shes unique al those other people that diedwerent that important, like they didn't do much in the story, arya has , murtgaghs been around for a while but is bad, etc.

oh EbrithilArya, ebrithil is master, which is masculine, and arya is feminie, u should have done svit-kona or something

she does secretly like him she just doesnt want him to know that. She probably feels its wrond to date someone like 87 years younger than her

she does secretly like him she just doesnt want him to know that. She probably feels its wrong to date someone like 87 years younger than her

Since the beginning of time I have stated the fact that Ayra is too honorable, too mature, too much tuned in with the reality of her life to initiate or allow a relationship with Eragon.
During the books she has sustained she feels only "friendship" for him. And she believes what she is saying is true. She has the conviction that she can only be his friend. BUT, she has sent him mixed messages, without her realizing it. I believe I have said this with quotes in this same thread.
I sustain she does have feelings for him, BUT she has not realized it yet. She is convinced on the contrary. But eventually she will have to analyze her feelings and acknowledge them. That moment has not come YET, but it will come.

eragon is really weird. he is a stalker. and arya doesnt secretly love him. that would be really really weird.

no. hes a stalker. he follows her around, dreams about her, makes fairths about her, and so on.

whats a jokcy?

your right hes a super stalker that not only uses regular stalking methods but uses MAGIC stalking methods

i betcha he'll try in the third book.

Eragon is not a stalker and we are off topic

eragon is a stalker and we're not off topic because we're talking about eragon and arya's relationship, and being a stalker is part of that

I was gonna post something here, but than I thought what's the point if no one ever listens, then I thought I'll still post sense I'm here, then I thought of a killer joke, then I thought I'd be yelled at for spamming, so I don't know what to do!

He no stalker, he jus cra-z. he up sesed. he dumdum. she no luv him, she jus frend. she to gewd a frend 4 her own gewd. she no luv him, gt ov-r it. nasuada luv him do. deep dwn. nt sur how mch do. so im nt sur were dat goin.

That wasn't English, nor was it 1337. Twas' a language no body ever wanted to know about.

At least you finally posted something logical. Most of the time you just post to be dumb.

Oh come on! Eragon is not a stalker. he made one fairth with her and only because he kept thinking about her while he was trying to do it. thinking about her a lot isn't stalking. when you have a crush don't you think about your crush a lot? And he never followed her around. she was taking him around to see Ellesmira. He only sryed her to check up on her in surda and make sure she wasn't dead or anything. before when he first scryed her it was in his dreams and he wasn't controlling it. Now if that doesn't show you people that Eragon is not a stalker then nothing will because there is no evidence even hinting that he is.

I don't get what people don't understand about this, he did not scry Arya in his dreams. Arya explained that she reached out for a familliar force and chose Eragon because she mistook him for Saphira, or something like that.

yes but my point is that he is NOT a stalker

I didn't say he was a stalker. You obviously can't read babbling moron.

And I'm just trying to get that point made, poeple tend to think that if he scryed her in his dreams, (Which he didn't) it means they'll end up together. (Which they wont)

I'm not saying that she loves him and they are going to get together. im greatly opposed to the idea.

Alright then. But there are others. And they would read that.

what others?

i am opposed to them falling in love but i see no other alternative. There always mus be a love story.

love makes the world go round, didnt some important guy say that? i suppose its true cos nobod would exist if it didnt

no other alternative?Since when did this become a love story?! Its not about him falling in love he isn't obligated to fall in love in the series. And Arya is not and will never be in love with Eragon! There never HAS to be a love story. There are so many great books that don't have romance in them.

and you are basing this on??? what??? please don't state something as a fact unless you can prove it. (saying this so that you don't say I'm a hypocrite) I might have been guilty of that offence before, but I've not done it in a while.

What part are you saying isn't a fact?

that part. it is not fact.

She said so herself! She likes him only as a friend and don't say that she doesn't realize her feelings. She is over one hundred years old i think she is old enough to know how she feels.

love is a confusing thing my friend. very confusing. she could have been in denial if you refuse the possibility of her not knowing exactly how she feels 100% of the time.

Why the heck would she love him! He is sixteen and she is over a hundred! yes he had a CRUSH on her. but it was only a crush and let me remind you that many boys his age have crushes on older women. If he falls in love it will be with a girl his own age. and just because he is rider rider with a long age span and can do magic doesn't mean he will get together with arya. i think your just wanting for them to get together and not listening to facts that disprove it.

he didnt think she was too-too much older when he first had a crush, and may i remind you that his love has developed into something beyond a crush.

please tell me these "facts" of which you speak. all you have said are things that have no actual importance to the matter at hand. Age. Eragon doesn't care. Arya said that it can't be, meaning them together because of it. She never said that love is impossible. Love is irrational. Don't try to rationalize love.

His love has developed into something more than a crush?! please tell me when that happened oh wise one And please tell me of these facts which you speak. And i am not trying to rationalize love. in case you haven't figured this out yet but it is a ficional "romance" being writen the way CP wishes. If eragon and arya were supposed to fall in love then why did he have Arya hurt him and tell him that she would only ever care for him as a friend? Not because it would interfere with his studies but because she really doesn't love him.

is that flaming? please don't give me an excuse to rip you to shreds!

The facts are that there are no facts either way. There is just a better argument that she does. This is not counting the "why would she love Eragon" argument, which can not be credited. Please sensibaly explain her actions after and before the battle of the burning plains.

yes you are. you are saying that she wouldn't because why would she love him? that is rationalizing it. she does or doesn't, no needed reason.


no. because 1 it would interfere with their mission and 2 because she didn't THINK she loved him. At that point she was oblivious to her feelings. At least that is a possibility.

there was no difference in her fealings after the burning plains exept for fealing sorry for Eragon after he told them who his father was.

And apparently no matter what anybody says you won't listen. I see no point to continue this conversation if your going to poke holes in everthing everyone says.

yes but she told him in the AL that she didn't love him and i don't think her fealings have changed.

I think they have somewhat. I don't think she is the same person she was whne she said that.

I know though i don't want to answer for her (i've been yelled at a couple times for answering other people's questions, though not by her, but i don't want that to start).

what i was saying is that she didn't realize the full extent of her feelings until the end of the Battle of the Burning Plains, and a little before the battle. I mean she hesitated before she left him, and she did nothing after he returned, having thought he was dead. that just seems strange, even for an elf, especially if that person is a close friend.

i reckon arya is too old....

argetlam_svit-kona already made a great point that counters that. it's very true and i've tried to tell people it forever.

what, that she's too old or shes not?

that age has never stopped love. read the post.

LMAO!!! i don't think he does either! lol.

maybe she has confronted her feelings? that is what i've been saying.

lol. salt helps wounds. that's why you put infected toes in epsom salt water. (nice imagry, huh?)

So Arya said in the Ancient langauge that she didn't have feelings for Eragon or something like that right? Well I was rereading Eragon to see what the book was like again and stumbled on some lines between Brom and Eragon. Brom saids that the elves are so capable with the ancient language that they could say something and mean something else. I think this works in our favor.

*claps for dawn warroir*

finally you are up to speed w/ me. now. to discuss if she actually was using her skill/ didn't know about her feelings.