if saphira dies the reason might be so that eragon can bring her back

Where did you get this informatiom from?

saphira12 murtagh says so in eldest


gomminsih it was a dream it could mean something or it could mean nothing

What if the spirits brought someone back?

What do you mean by that?

brom because hes eragons father and eragon wants answers or vrael because hes the only one that ever stood a chance against galbatorix. i mean galbatorix had to kick him in between the legs to beat him

i would like it if brom came back.

No she wouldn't. If Arya dies then it is for a reason and CP wouldn't kill her just to bring her back. If Eragon was to bring Brom back to talk about Selena, why wouldn't he just bring her back? Either way no one would let Eragon waste time thinking of how to bring anyone back and no one would ever let him attempt it.

Well there is no way that he can hide it from Saphira and he always has bodyguards. They wouldn't let him do it.

Eragon can't hide his mind from Saphira and if you haven't noticed, Saphira is much larger and stronger than him. She could easily stop him and being in a very open area, he can't run away from her. Saphira would also alert the elves and they would never let him try something so stupid. Plus, Eragon isn't selfish enough to try when he would die and let everyone down.

Well like I said, they are in an open area. There are no caves only houses and Saphora would smash them to get to Eragon. Also, the elves left the forest to help Eragon. If you have forgotten, Eragon has a group of elves that are with him and around him at all times. If Saphira couldn't get to him, they could.

First of all, I never said that there no mountains. I said that there were no caves where they are and they are nowhere near the mountains.

Second, they would not be babysitting him. They find it an honour to work with Eragon and Saphira. You also need to stop iinsulting the elves. It is one thing to express your opinion and another to be flat out rude. Since a lot of people think that Eragon will go with the elves when Galby is defeated, there would be more than enough of them who would do whatever Saphira wanted.

You don't know that. Eragon might go back to Ellesmera if Galby is defeated or another elf city. Some elves might even come out of the forest and a lot of them love being around Saphira so some would want to be around them.

i cant sument a vote COME ON

There also wouldn't be a reason to bring back Oromis because they have Glaedr and bringing him back would be almost cruel because of how much pain he is in right now because Oromis died once much less twice.

But no one has given reason why it would happen. If CP kills a character its for a reason and it isn't just so they can be brought back. If someome dies they won't be brought back. That quote was saying to stop arguing because every point has already been made. That is why it was quoted.

true all the points were made but people are still fighting though

could it be possible for eragon to bring more than one person back?

but why would he want to? im sure that all those who he would want to at this time are resting peacefully in the after life

Ehh... Are we talking about the same sycle here?
Because in the IC Eragon is not a God who can bring people back from the dead. That is a fact.

Second. Where did you get this from? Nothing as ever been said or pionted towards that you can revive the dead. That is also a fact.

If you have any thing thing that can count as evidence please show it.
Even if smashing dreams and hopes are fun, I would prefer to have a serious discussion. And with that I mean that you will have something who can back up your theory.
//Robin

But where did that come from? Nothing in thi IC has saiad or even pointed towards that there is souls in there. I know that the name is the vault of souls, but it could just be a name. Even if I don't think so I still want something to go on than just the name. CP isn't the best author so it wouldn't suprise any one if thereactually was souls in there, but stil. A name is just what it is. A name.

//Robin

It's a battle between Arya and Brom, but in the end I bet he would pick Arya. He's a sad guy Eragon is.

Well we're not likely to find out anytime soon...slow writers hmmphh!

CP is amlmost done with the manuscript. But then there is all the edit and such tings. The book will not be out this year "/

And Arya will not die. We are talking abot CP you know.

The book may come out next year if all things go well.
And yes, I know Arya won't die. I can have my hopes though...

I hope so


You wan't Arya dead!? Why?

How can any one not like Arya? xD
Any way. There migh be sould in there but i don't think that you can bring any one back to life. The dead are simply dead.
And Arya will for sure survive. We do know what an author CP is
I just hop that Nasuada will die. (I hate her)

You can't be so sure about that. There is a line of what every person can take. Eragon has under less than a year lost many who was close to him. If he also would lose the one he loves, I think we will see something more of a mental break down. But luckely Arya won't die
CP is tha obvious.

dont put it past authors, they like to troll you hard for laughs. arya could die

Yes. She could die. So can every charcter. But will she? No...
I put it past CP because we know what kind of an author he is.
And I said yes. He could kill her, but he won't.

The thought probably (but sadly) hasn't even crossed his mind. Which is annoying. He can kill off a brilliant character like Brom (it would have been amazingly interesting to find out more about him) and brings in...ugh...Arya (who's history I couldn't care less about).

True, but he is preditible. And looking at all the things he has said and in the books it is more than obvius that she won't die.


Yes! He COULD, but he won't.
Distraction... perhaps. She was it in Eldest but only bacuase of that eragon was acting like an imature and stupid shild.
Burden? No! She gives Eragon something to fight for. Something to love. Somone to be with. A reason to live. And a hell of a lot of help. Eragon needs her in many ways. She is everything but a burden.

I dissagree. Fighting to protect the one you love is so much more than fight for vengance. Love is the strongest feeling a human being can feel.


Not in Brisingr. In fact she did exactly the opposite. She became so much closer to him. She opend herself up to him and she did so many gestures that shows that she is and want to become closer. Arya and Eragon needs eachother in many ways.


You are clearly failing to understand what and how strong love is.
For Eragon there is no one else he would like to mate other than Arya. She is his one true love. Saphira means more to Eragon in one way, but in a nother Arya means more. Don't underestmate love my friend.
I'm speaking from experience when it comes to really love a person only to lose her. (no, she did not die. She moved to the states with her family)


As I said. You either don't know so much about love and are underrestimating it or you simply donsen't want it to be like that.
Are you against AxE?

//Robin

I can say I know what kind of Author he is because of how he writes. Up til now he has done the predictable. Making murtagh evil, saying morzan is eragon's father and then switching it to brom, making eragon fall in love with someone who won't have him, to me all were pretty much easy to guess. He could kill off Arya, but he's not going to. Like he's done before he will do the predictable. He's emphasized on their love so much that he's going to make them end up together. That's the kind of writer he is.

(Note that this is my opinion and really has no standing at all. You could very well be right and if you are I aplaud you at your keen insight. I am in no way trying to crush your ideas. I am just stating what I believe)

It was obvious yes. But I didn't want to stample you over what I asume.
Of topic: May I ask why?


And you know this how exactly? Love is the strongest feeling a human being can feel. Eragon has said that Arya is the only one he ever wants to be with. If you are bold and ignorant enough to think that he just will get a little angry over her death and then later live alone for ever, be my guest. I don't care. The fact remains that Love is so much stronger than you think.


No I don't. I know how strong their bound is. If you actually had read what I said you would have know that Eragon would care for Arya more in one matter and Saphira more in a nother. Eragon is a part of Saphira and Saphira is a part of eragon. If any one of them would lose echother they will lose a part of them self. But there is a line where Saphira and eragons love can go. They can never love ``love´´ echother. And the love for your mate is something special. It is a person you for ever would be with.
I don't underesimate eragons and saphiras bound, but you are clearly underrestimating how string love is over your own dissagreement that you don't like AxE.


Yes, I do remember what happend to Brom.
And I know that as well.


In one matter of view yes. In a nother it would be worse to lose Arya.
Saphira and Arya has an equal place in diffrent ways in Eragons heart.
And you are failing to see that only becuase you don't like it.
He knows Arya well enough to love her. And before I and Sofia became together we didn't knew eachother as well either. We fell for echother out of love, not knowledge. We later learnd more about echother and our love only got stronger. Love dosn't work in one way only.
Leave your childish dislike for AxE and see the facts. Dislike the AxE if you want, but don't use your dislike and ignore facts when you arguee about it.


You don't know what love is do you? What do you mean with account for 100 years? Love is not build on facts! Eragon knows what person she is and that is enough to truly love someone. What her favourite food/song/music/ her birthday and such facts are irelivant. He dosn't need to know that to love her. He knows what person she is and what she has been through. He loves her and CP has been verry clearly about that.
That you later don't know how love works is not my problem.


As a said. You don't know what love is. Love is not built on facts.
It is built on kindness, caring, compassion, pleasure, passion, desire and such things. You know that you love a person when you care more for her/him that you care for youself. You want her/him to be happy.
You don't love a person becuase you know when her birthday is.
Love is something sweet between two persons. No a test about how much you know about the other one.


Well. I stand for that you don't understand what love truly is.
Or you do, but ignores it becuase you don't like the idea of Arya and eragon beeing together and happy. Either way it's nothing to be proud of.


I don't belive my eyes. I knew you diden't knew so much abbout love but comparing the love for a parent with love for your mate is way of.
I have always loved my parents and will always do. But my love for Sofia was so much more. You can't compare love in that way. There is many diffrent kind of loves as I have been trying to tell you. Eragons has one kind of love for Saphira, another for Arya and another for Roran/Katrina and a nother for Garrow/Brom/auont Marrian/Selena. All of this kind of love is very strong in a diffrent way to the other. They are alike but at the same time not. If you ever find some one who you truly loves, you will understand.

But there is one way I perhaps can agree with you. CP obvious dosn't know so much aboy true love. Therfore there is a possibility that he makes eragons and Saphiras love stronger out of ignorance.

Hmm. Is it to much of me to ask you ta actually read what I say?
I was talking about his reall life exparience. And I didn't say that it would happen for sure. I only mentioned that I wouldn't be suprised.
You know... reading what other people are saying does help you when you are arguing.



Not suprising, you are missing the point. Unlike you I don't argue of what I want, but from fact instead. I know that CP does what he want. I haven't even said anything against that. I was just pointing out errors/flaws in it.
Because love is the strongest thing a human being can feel.
You can't compare his love to Saphira with his love to Arya.
Im not going into weither one of them he loves the most, because I don't know. And don't pretend that you do. But the thing is that you are clearly underrestimating love. If Arya dies, Eragon won't just simple cry a moment and then go on. Either you are stuck in your hate for Arya or you are sadly stupid. Think of it like this way. If your mother would die, you woulden't just cry for a day and then go on. No? You would have missed her for years. And that is only the love for a parent. Try to imagen the lose of someone you love so much more. If you have the capacity of course.


One question.
When did I said that I know about every kind of love and relationships?
I most have some kind of black out, couse I can't remember when I said that. How odd. Any way, I do know about many kinds of love. Just like you I have the love for my parents and family. But the thing I thing you lack is the feeling of true love. Otherwise, you wouldn't understimate it in the way you do.


What shall I call you then when you are acting like that?
You are ignoring facts over ignorance and childish arguments from what you want. I don't know if you see that, but you are acting like that.


Really? I had no idea. And don't make this personal, because it's not. I'm acting the way I am not because of what you think/wnat/like but for that you actually are basing you statments on nothing but what you think/want and are igoring facts due to ignorance and shildsh belifes.


Oh no! Don't compare my opinions with yours. Mine are based on fact, knowledge and experience. Yours are not.


Hmm... Let me guess. You are a girl with an age under 17. Most of the Arya haters are that for two reasons.
1. To stupid to understand why she is acting like that. (For normal people it should be obvius)
2. Pure jealousy.

I wonder how much a was right about "/ And if you have the guts to admit it.


Technically you are right. In the matter of the IC, you are wrong. CP has more or less confirmed the AxE relationship. Well then of course you can choose to be ignorant agian as always. Eragon loves Arya and I don't think you are ignorant enough to miss every thing in Brisingr that happend between them. (at least I hope so for your own sake)


You really don't have any experience in love do you? He dosn't nedd to know about her past to love her. He needs to know what person she is. And not even that is vital. Love works in many ways my freind. You have to feel it to understand it. And that he knows about her past dosn't has to do anything with love to do. It's siply becuase he cares for her.

Seriously now. Is there any reason for me to continue this or will you still be ignoring facts due to ignorance and a very shidish acting?

You never expressly stated that you know everything but that is how you are acting. You are acting more of a child than I am. Have I been so low as to start with name calling? No.



These are opinions. No I am not acting childish, you are. The fact that that is one of your only points is that I am being "childish" is childish in itself.



Yours are based on your experiences and facts that you find in the book. Everyone interprets things differently. Just because we have different opinions am I calling you dumb or immature or ignorant? No I'm not. That's childish.



No I am not 17 or underage. And there you go again. STOP BEING A COMPLETE JERK. I know why she acts cold and doesn't let people close to her. I can understand that. You don't have to be an insensitive jerk about it. No I am not jealous. Yes she is gorgeous. Yes she is smart. But she is also fake. Not real. She was made to look amazing.




Your the one acting childish and immature. Your a dick and I don't care if you respond or not but I'm done with your crap.

You never expressly stated that you know everything but that is how you are acting. You are acting more of a child than I am. Have I been so low as to start with name calling? No.



These are opinions. No I am not acting childish, you are. The fact that that is one of your only points is that I am being "childish" is childish in itself.



Yours are based on your experiences and facts that you find in the book. Everyone interprets things differently. Just because we have different opinions am I calling you dumb or immature or ignorant? No I'm not. That's childish.



No I am not 17 or underage. And there you go again. STOP BEING A COMPLETE JERK. I know why she acts cold and doesn't let people close to her. I can understand that. You don't have to be an insensitive jerk about it. No I am not jealous. Yes she is gorgeous. Yes she is smart. But she is also fake. Not real. She was made to look amazing.




Your the one acting childish and immature. Your a dick and I don't care if you respond or not but I'm done with your crap.

Exactly! You just asumed that. And I at least have some experience to go on. That's more that we can say about you. No?


In one way yes. I admit that. But you are not so mature either. Right?
I am at least staying to the facts when I argue.


Oh dear God...
Okey. You win. You are not shidish. You are one of the most mature people I've ever met. Happy?


That is more that we can say about you. No?


You admit that it was facts from the books. Thank you.
And I would like to point out the I unlike some other are at least using facts.


I know that. But only because we have difrent opinions dosn't mean that you can go around and ´base yours on your on wan't/needs/belifs and think you are right. As I have said, you are underestimating love.


Oh no. I'm not calling you dumb or imature for your belifs. Frankly I don't care about what you think or like.
I'm calling you dumb and imature because for you are ignoring facts for your own belifs. caterpillar! You are probably religius as well.


Oh... That's even worse "/


I promis you that I will stop diarectly in the moment when you stop being to ignorant to ignore the facts. Deal?


I don't think you do. If you truly did you wouldn't dislike her for it.
You are going on what you want. Not a suprise there.


Don't have to? True. But I will continue as long as you stays ignorant.


What! Arya is not reall!? I had no idea. Thank you for telling me this secret.
You are not jealous? And still you don't like that she is what you said made to be perfect. Is it just me or does any one else seing a conflict there?


Yes. Caling me a dick is so mature of you.
Well it's not like I'm going to mis our discussions. I prefer to have serious discussions where both sides are using facts.

And they way you are acting. (totaly ignoring fatcs for your own belifs) I think it's safe to say that you are religius. No?

alright guys, that's enough. if you two are so determined to cast mud, please do it somewhere not in a topic where other people might want to have a proper discussion.

if anyone wants to talk to me, please use the pm system.

Hmm...this is getting rather hostile.
I dislike Arya as well. She isn't a real enough character. She's too perfect, and to me that makes her annoying.
However, the fact remains that if Arya died, eragon would bring her back if he could. He's annoying and sad like that.
However, if Saphira died he would probably go mad. The books have already stated that losing your dragon is like having half of your being ripped away. I don't think eragon would go mad if he lost Arya. Sure he'd be really sad, but not as sad as he would be if Saphira died.

Unfortunatley, i would beg to differ. She, in my opinion, is a huge character. If she and saphira died, of course he might choose Saphira, but he would be devistated that he let her go. He's in love with her and would do anything for her.

please don't hurt me. I'm just stating my opinion...

Hurt you? I agree with you
Unlike some other you seem to know what love is and what it mean ^^
Ergon would really be devestated if he lost Arya "/
But who wouldn't be that if you lose the one you love?

//Robin

I'm not saying he wouldn't be devastated. I know he loves her a lot. But he shares his thoughts and feelings with Saphira as she does with him. Saphira is like the other half of his being. As I already said when a rider loses their dragon they are likely to go mad, which shows just how strongly they are connected to each other. No matter how much he loves Arya his bond with Saphira will always be stronger. Given this I believe that if he has to choose between the two he would choose Saphira.

We do have to put brom inthe question, too. he taught eragon all he needs to know, adn who knows? Maybe Brom has the secrets to bring hte dragons back. Maybe he can bring back more than one person also. That might be possible, unless I missed something...

I don't even think that any one is able to bring back some one from the dead in the IC.

But sadly I fully agree with Rider of Death. Knowing what kind of person CP is he would defenatly make magic stronger than love "/ He would probably choose Saphira over Arya.

The thing I don't agree with is what gomenesigh said. If Arya died he wouldn't just cry for five minutes and then carry on. Not even CP is the out of the leauge when it comes to love and relationships.

There is no way Eragon would get over Arya's death. Her death would probably shape his actions and feeling for years to come.

Maybe that could fuel his revenge on Galby and he will defeat him because of that. If saphira died, he would choose her and together they would confront galby. but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Saphira isn't dead so he has no reason to bring her back unless she does die. I strongly think it will be brom if neither arya or saphira dies.

I'm in agreement there. Saphira is first, then comes Arya, then comes Brom. I wish Brom was in front of Arya though.

lol true, but remember when he told eragon to let him go? Brom doesn't even know about this and will probably be mad because he told him to leave nature as it happens.

And because he specifically told him not to mess with raising the dead.

lol watch eragon look at brom in an anime-like pose saying *na na na-na na! I broke the rules! Ha ha ha-ha ha!!*