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Post what if brom did not die?
how do u thank the story wud have gone if brom lived?

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probably better probably wors. who known? if brom lived, eragon whould completed his training whith him, but after that who knows what may had happend?


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well u have to add the fact that brom deth was for a reson

1. it was his time he told eragon he was old and cant live forever that is why he must lern all u can from me"or sumthing like that

2.there whould not be any good fights if eragon,brom and martug where all kickin ass lol

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I know if Brom wouldn't have died I would be very happy. Now seriously, if he wouldn't have died then the hero-journey would not have been completed. CP mentioned in an interview he was following that format in his stories.

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I think if he had not died the story would have been not as good probably but, when if was still alive and went with Ellesmera with Eragon I think that would have been a really good part.

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I would have loved seeing Brom and Eragon traveling while training him. Who knows maybe then we wouldn't be debating if he is or not Eragon's dad.

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Yeah he'd probably give some hints about it and he'd tell Saphira some more information.

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If he lived, he, himself could have told Eragon a lot of things without have Saphira as an intermediary, right?

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Probably, but he still told Saphira stuff even though he could've of told Eragon.

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I gather that much, but then, he was fond of Saphira too. She must have ignated past memories of his own Saphira. So he would have had a soft spot for her.

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Yeah, like how Brom had asked her her name and Eragon said Saphira and he got real emotional.

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That's exactly my thought! She must have awoken painful and treasured memories in Brom.

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well, if brom hadn't died, eragon mightn't have meeted murtagh. he also wouldn't have saved arya, since he only found her 'cause he got captured in Dras-Leona when they went to go get info on the varden

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Yeah that part probably never would have happened because he knew where the Varden was.

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If Brom had not died the whole storyline would have been different!

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yea, it would've taken a lot shorter to get to the varden

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maybe they wouldnt have had to go to the varden if he didnt die..?

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i think they would've

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but how do you no that for sure?

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uh, i said I THINK

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exactly what im saying

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HEY! that wasn't very nice! i guess guys really ARE mean

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hmm... i dont see how that was mean but yes i do think you guess guys really ARE mean

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you know exactly what i mean, lord imfamous. boys :roll:

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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hmm well im not sure i do no what you mean sooo girls... :roll:

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yes you did! let's just get back on topic....

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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well.. im still not getting you...soooooooo.. but ok back on topic.. brom was cool he shouldnt have died

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yea, but if he didn't die, eragon would've

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"Anyway, I'm not going to stay behind while some stripling gets to run around with a dragon" - Brom

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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no.. he could have still blocked the dagger, but survived after it

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ok, then he probably would've been in a lot of pain afterwards, like eragon was after the he received the scar from durza

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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He probably would have died from it as well, a knife to the ribs is really deadly.

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yes, that was why brom died in the first place

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


July 28th, 2006, 12:25 am Profile
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AnnieBee wrote:
If Brom had not died the whole storyline would have been different!


Exacty and for some reason I think it would have made things worse and/harder for eragon and the other characters. Nothing would be the same as it is now, that's for sure. Somehow I think Brom's death made things afterwards perhaps a little easier but it also made it worse in some ways. But still the storyline would be different, yeah!


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the story line will be WAY different if brom hadn't died! first of all, eragon probably wouldn't have known that murtagh was morzan's father

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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dragon_lover wrote:
the story line will be WAY different if brom hadn't died! first of all, eragon probably wouldn't have known that murtagh was morzan's father


Yeah that's for sure. And for some reason I think eraon needs to know about his family, especially his father and like you said if he were still alive he probably wouldn't know what he should deserve to hear.


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actually, i don't think that morzan is eragon's father. i think that brom is. remember eragon read his poem in the ancient language because he believed it to be true? i think that is what happened to murtagh, he beleived morzan was eragon's father, so that was why he could say it

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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dragon_lover wrote:
actually, i don't think that morzan is eragon's father. i think that brom is. remember eragon read his poem in the ancient language because he believed it to be true? i think that is what happened to murtagh, he beleived morzan was eragon's father, so that was why he could say it


Hmm..perhaps. I have heard this theory and I just can't decide really. Morzan does make sense and Brom does too...a bit. I don't know for now, until we have proper proof or until we actually know who is eragon's father I guess I am more inclined to think it is Morzan than anyone else. But still all in good time my opinion may change...who knows. :wink:


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something i realized when i read eragon a second time is that brom was sort of telling the reader that he was eragon's father. page 31 of Eragon says this:

His [Brom's] keen eyes inspected their interested faces. His gaze lingered on Eragon last of all.

somewhere else in the book(i don't remember where), cp tells us that brom was always nicer to eragon than anyone else. that can be another peice of evidence that eragon is brom's son

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"If anything happens, I'm going to pin you to my back and never let you off." "I love you too." "Then I will bind you all the tighter" - Eragon and Saphira


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dragon_lover wrote:
something i realized when i read eragon a second time is that brom was sort of telling the reader that he was eragon's father. page 31 of Eragon says this:

His [Brom's] keen eyes inspected their interested faces. His gaze lingered on Eragon last of all.

somewhere else in the book(i don't remember where), cp tells us that brom was always nicer to eragon than anyone else. that can be another peice of evidence that eragon is brom's son


Hmm...perhaps so.

Quick question though and I foget if it has been mentioned or not but do you think Brom knew the first Eragon? I mean he is rather old and all and has been around for some ages now. Plus he could have been reminded of something else as well...but it does actually make some sense.


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brom was only about 100 i think.. so no i dont think he ever met eragon the elf

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Lord Imfamous wrote:
brom was only about 100 i think.. so no i dont think he ever met eragon the elf


Oh ok. I forgot about his age and all so I guess he wouldn't have known the first eragon. But there is probably a link between the two though.


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Most likely. Do you think Eragon the First will have anything to do with Eragon in the next book?

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Most likely. Do you think Eragon the First will have anything to do with Eragon in the next book?


I am going to say yes for this. There has to be some sort of link between the two. I mean one was an elf and the other was a human but now is taking on characteristics of an elf(in Eldest). There are so many clues and hints that CP gives us about the two and Brom I think saw something. Plus there's also got to be a link between the old Saphira and the new one. So I am going to guess yes for the next book, or at least I am hoping so.


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I'm thinking somehow Eragon mets Eragon the First somehow or he becomes as wise and powerful as him or something. What Dragon did the First have? Was it blue?

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no it was white and its name was Bid'Daum

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but thats not what this topic is about.........
but i mean how can he talk or meet the first eragon? its impossible, but yaknow, the books didnt say anything about Him dieing

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What does Bid'Daum mean? What do you think happens to Saphira?

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I have not the faintest clue what it mean sbut I am having a slight feeling that we may find out what it means in Empire. We haven't found out have we?


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I guess not since I'm asking. What are your theories?

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Well the dragon was white, right. And the riders name was named Eragon...hmm...theories...

Well it could have something to do with the elves of some sort. Albino Dragon...nah just kidding. Well it could be like Bright star or Shining Star...I really don't know.

As far as Saphira goes are we talking about the old Saphira or the new one?


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Eragon's saphira. I don't know, maybe he gives Eragon power so he can kill Galbatorix from the Vault of Souls or something.

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Scarecrow wrote:
Eragon's saphira. I don't know, maybe he gives Eragon power so he can kill Galbatorix from the Vault of Souls or something.


Whos' he? Are you talking about Saphira cause if you are you make sense and all...just except for the "he" part. Since Saphira and eragon are linked I think she does give him power and whatnot and he her as well.


August 1st, 2006, 1:17 am Profile
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I'm talking to Tommi. Where did you think I was talking about Saphira?

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August 1st, 2006, 1:31 am Profile
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Scarecrow wrote:
I'm talking to Tommi. Where did you think I was talking about Saphira?


Well you were talking about Saphira so....I don't know i got confused...sorry.

Hey do you think that is Brom hadn't died that Eragon wouldn't have met Murtagh?


August 1st, 2006, 1:43 am Profile
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No, I still say they would have met him, like maybe the King caught him and he became a Dragon Rider and they would have been enemies first and not friends. Are you a girl or boy?

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August 1st, 2006, 1:53 am Profile
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Girl, and yes I suppose so as well. Someway their paths would have crossed because of what Murtagh was doing at the time.


August 1st, 2006, 4:55 am Profile
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Either he would have been running or serving Galbatorix. But he was running from him at first, so I'm not sure.

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August 1st, 2006, 10:42 pm Profile
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Hmm...If only Murtagh didn't go to the bad side and serve Galby or rather, be forced to...to survive. Then perhaps they would have never met but this is where fate comes in. I think it was fate or something that brought them to meet/ get together. Destined to meet each other...after all they are brothers.

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August 1st, 2006, 11:24 pm Profile
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. There brothers so they were blood bound.

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August 2nd, 2006, 12:57 am Profile
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Let's just hope we don't find out that there is some sort of sister in the family. If that happens I think it might make things worse...but I am doubting it. But yes since, as you said, they are blood bound or in other words brothers their paths are tied whether they like it or not.

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Somebody said that Nasuada and Eragon might be half bro/sis. Like Selena had gotten with Ajihad and had Nasuada, Brom and Selena had Eragon, and Selena and Morzan had Murtagh. But I don't believe Brom is Eragon's father, but it would be cool.

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August 2nd, 2006, 2:46 am Profile
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Then I say that Selena liked too many men. I will be polite on this site and stuff but if that was or turned out to be true then Selena liked way too many guys to begin with. But I don't think so and I agree I don't think Brom is Eragon's father either.

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August 2nd, 2006, 3:33 am Profile
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Maybe a godfather, but not his real father.

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Yeah, he's Eragon's real father!!!

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August 2nd, 2006, 3:29 pm Profile
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How can he be Eragon's father?

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August 2nd, 2006, 3:32 pm Profile
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Well there is evidence really on both sides so far as to who exactly is Eragon's father, whether it be Morzan or Brom. For now though all that we have been given is belief and information that Morzan is Eragon's father. We really have not much on Brom or anything along that matter, even though there is evidence. Until one or the other is proven I will stick to what and who I think is Eragon's father: Morzan. But, that is not to say that somehow Brom could be Eragon's father. For now I will just say that Brom was more like a guardian and perhaps to Eragon he was like a father as he got to know him more.

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color=indigo][/color]i think brom died for a reason it was his time he was OLD!the story would of been totally different and not right....idk i think if he died a different way it would have been better but he had to die.

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August 2nd, 2006, 5:41 pm Profile
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He died to save Eragon, hmmmmmmmmmmm. A father protecting a son? Or a teacher protecting his pupil? Or a friend protecting a friend?

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August 2nd, 2006, 7:51 pm Profile
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Scarecrow wrote:
He died to save Eragon, hmmmmmmmmmmm. A father protecting a son? Or a teacher protecting his pupil? Or a friend protecting a friend?


Oh!!! Very nice thinking. Just depends really on how you view things...whether you think Brom is his father or not. But, I really like this father protecting son and so on. Would make perfect sense...just depends on what you think...like it! :wink:

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I agree, I think it was a father's love and protection for a son so he jumps in the way of the dagger.

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or he could have just jumped in the way 'cause he knew eragon would have to defeat galbatorix

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August 14th, 2006, 6:56 pm Profile
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it would have been easier for eragon in everything because brom could give him advice

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August 15th, 2006, 10:48 pm Profile
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yea, but it was his fate

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ya if brom didn't die u have a completly different story line :P

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August 16th, 2006, 2:43 am Profile
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yes, we already agreed on that

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August 17th, 2006, 8:15 pm Profile
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eragon would easily get revenge

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August 17th, 2006, 9:53 pm Profile
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He's still trying to get revenge on the Ra'zac and so he and Roran have a common goal. So they probably both will kill the Ra'zac.

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August 19th, 2006, 12:23 am Profile
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i know dragon_lover

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vrmshur'tugal wrote:
probably better probably wors. who known? if brom lived, eragon whould completed his training whith him, but after that who knows what may had happend?


no he would have finished a year or so of training w/ brom then have gone to elesmera to be trained by oromis and the elves pg 408-9 of Eragon.

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August 27th, 2006, 4:43 pm Profile
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Yeah, that's right he would have gone to ellesmera to finish.

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August 31st, 2006, 1:33 pm Profile
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It said in the book that Brom would teach him the survival training and then he would go to the elves to complete his training :wink:

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