don't spam. say more in a post than ok or "thing of that nature". lol. i love that phrase.

Annie, you forgot all of the above! lol. That's the one!

well.... i HOPE that Brom is Eragons father but some thing tells me that it is Morzan.

Well Murtagh seems to be confident about Eragon's father when he took Zarroc from Eragon and said that sword belong's to older son of (Morzan but add different words depending on your current mood).

all he knows is that their mother was Eragon's mother too. He didn't expect that Selena might have cheated on Morzan.

Murtagh knew his mother. maybe she really loved morzan and couldn't help it. even today lost of wemon are stuck in abusive relation ships.

also i think the song cant help loving that man of mine from the movie show boat explains her situation perfectly. if you haven't herd it look it up on you tube.

What do you mean by "it"? The book in general?

This is true, but not quite. Though Murtagh said, even in the Ancient Language, that Eragon's father was Morzan, that may not be right. He could say it because he believed it was true.

There is also the chance(or fact... I can't remember?) that Galbatorrix told this to Murtagh in the Ancient Language. The same circumstances as above apply.

Another point: Morzan taught Selena to hide her thoughts, did he not? Couldn't she have just taken up on the lessons with talent and didn't let on to Morzan so she could hide things from him too?

And... Again I cite magic color. I infer that Brom's magic was blue, like Eragon's. Is it possible that magic color is hereditary?

What colour of magic Morzan had?

Very sorry to breakk all of your dreams and spirits and destroy your hearts and souls and everything, but you're fprgetting one man who gets killed:

GARROW!

If Brom was Eragon's father, that means Brom and Garrow were brothers.

i agree that brom isnt eragons father but garrow is selenas brother not morzan/broms.

caterpillar. how could I have not been convincing? There is SOOOO much evidence to suggest that Brom is Eragon's father.

I can tell why so many people say Brom is Eragon's father. But, for me, it would be mary sue ish. It adds more to Eragon's character if Morzan is evil but his youngest son isn't. It makes him more of a hero.

wow.. You almost had me there, BUT you dug your own grave.

You keep saying that Selena is not a woman of loose morals so that means that MORALLY she would NEVER bed with Brom.

Next, you repeat that in the book that Selena loved Morzan. If she loved Morzan then she wouldn't have any other feelings like that for other men. So in the matter of LOVE she would NOT bed with Brom.

If you try to say that she might have changed her mind after the sword was thrown re-read the book as it says she was pregnant with his child before the sword was thrown.

And just thinking upon that now, Brom HIMSELF said that Selena was pregnant with Morzan's son (Book I). Besides it would have been hard to hide her two or three month pregnancy.

One of my points!

Selena never actually had a chance to copulate with Brom as Morzan kept her busy most of the time doing his errands. She never would have had time to spend going to Carvahall getting get pregnant by Brom and travel all the way back to Morzan's lair. (Not sure if thats in Uru'baen or Helgrind, either way its quite a distance). And in the thoughts of Eragon (Page 654 of Eldest.) "Selena left Carvahall twenty-some years ago, returned once to give birth to Eragon, and was never seen again."
Selena didn't have the TIME with Brom to get pregnant.



Now, I know you can't use those kind of words in this Forum because of the lack of maturity. Thats fair game.
But on your second point, Women in the BEGINNING of time lived without marriage. This is quite a number of years afterwards, and from how CP describes it marriage among humans is common, nay, a law. But since Morzan and Selena never actually got married Selena would have been waiting for him to say those words. Doing those errands because she thought she could get him to appreciate her more.



No offense to you or anyone on this thread but people generally can be that stupidly in love. I know cause it has happened to me, I shut out my friends my family all because of this girl I loved. She was taking control over my life slowly until my friends finally stood in and told me. I wouldn't hear any part of it. But it did get me thinking. Eventually I left her, but I felt good about it. But you're not here to listen to MY sap story.

But there no reason for Mozan NOT to lie to Selena, so he probably kept her there and told her that it was for her own good. Morzan could have taken the baby away saying that it was hurt and he needed use his own magic to keep it alive. Or maybe told her that if he was tutored right he could become the next king. But it would have been the sword to the back that drove her away from him.



Sigh... I didn't want to quote more book. Page 655 of Eldest, Chapter Reunion.

"Murtagh had discussed how his mother had vanished from Morzan's castle while Morzan was hunting Brom, Jeod, and Saphira's egg. After Morzan threw Zar'roc at Murtagh and nearly killed him, Mother must have hidden her pregnancy and then gone back to Carvahall in order to protect me from Morzan and Galbatorix."

Although this is debatable evidence, it was in the book none-the-less.



Page 654 of Eldest, Chapter Reunion.
"He wished he could repudiate Murtagh's claim, but everything Murtagh had said about his mother-their mother-coincided with the few things Eragon knew about her: Selena left Carvahall twenty-some years ago, returned once to give birth to Eragon, and was never seen again."

There is an actual time frame, Selena was pregnant when she was at Morzan's castle. She rode back to Carvahall to the only person she could trust, her brother Garrow. Nowhere in that time period was Selena anywhere near Brom as he was too busy seeking Morzan and Saphira's egg.



I wasn't saying she had a huge belly, I was talking more about the vomiting in the morning, the... well natural biology. I won't go into detail.




She probably thought she was happy doing her purpose for Morzan. But yeah, I can see how you can get that mixed up.

LOL you're just stalling for time because you know my evidence is true.

Time to cut down your theory piece by piece...fun!!!

All of your theories IMNC are not based on any sort of evidence available in the book. All that you have said here is a bunch of theories that have your mind has concocted. Brom would have known Selena from their time in Carvahall, but after that they never would have seen each other again.

dude, the point was that all of your evidence is faulty. there are other very possible, often more possible, interpretations of the same passages that discredit your theory. THAT was my point. Some of your evidence was downright WRONG.

Now, do you REALLY want me to post all of my evidence for the 1000010th time?

only if you want me to re-post all of mine

no. that's not how it works. You post yours, I contest it. I post mine, you contest that. Whosever's evidence is less contestable has the better argument. I already contested yours, replying with LIKELY (key word) alternate reasons and interpretations.

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Well this still brings me back to the area of Selena's love for Morzan. When the sword was thrown she was already pregnant with Eragon. She wouldn't have been giving information away to the Varden because she was still deeply in love with Morzan.
She couldn't have taken the egg because the person that did lost their life doing so. She left Morzan to give birth to Eragon for his safety. If she did have a relationship with Brom then she would have sought him out after she gave birth instead of returning to Morzan's castle.

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I have no doubt that she would have gotten fed up with him eventually, hence why she left. But she didn't leave for Brom. (See above answer)

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But she DIDN'T know Morzan didn't care for the child. Morzan could have told her a myriad of lies simply because he wanted his servant back. She would have been very upset do doubt, but Morzan was a cunning man and extremely powerful. He could have done anything to poor Selena. Maybe even change her memories.

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How could she have fallen in love with Brom so easily, when she was deeply in love with Morzan. Being Garrow's sister I can only deduce that she was a woman of morals and that she would not go with Brom because she was with Morzan.

Well this still brings me back to the area of Selena's love for Morzan. When the sword was thrown she was already pregnant with Eragon. She wouldn't have been giving information away to the Varden because she was still deeply in love with Morzan.
She couldn't have taken the egg because the person that did lost their life doing so. She left Morzan to give birth to Eragon for his safety. If she did have a relationship with Brom then she would have sought him out after she gave birth instead of returning to Morzan's castle.

More likely she was there for Murtagh and she didn't really know that she was pregnant, or she wanted to make it seem like it was Morzans, but then she saw what he did to his own son. There are other possibilities why she was there, not in love with Morzan. She could have thought that she would be killed if she left, and then when she saw what he did to his own son, she finally decided to leave. And give me the quote that says the person died FROM the stealing. You have been wrong about something directly from the book before, so page and actual quote please.

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I have no doubt that she would have gotten fed up with him eventually, hence why she left. But she didn't leave for Brom. (See above answer)

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But she DIDN'T know Morzan didn't care for the child. Morzan could have told her a myriad of lies simply because he wanted his servant back. She would have been very upset do doubt, but Morzan was a cunning man and extremely powerful. He could have done anything to poor Selena. Maybe even change her memories.

She knows how he is a drunk and how he treats her son. She's not THAT gullible.

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How could she have fallen in love with Brom so easily, when she was deeply in love with Morzan. Being Garrow's sister I can only deduce that she was a woman of morals and that she would not go with Brom because she was with Morzan.[/quote]
True, she was devoted to him, but after how he treated her and her son, who can tell how she felt about him, and how she felt about Brom. We KNOW that Brom knew her. How would he have known her if not through her "errands"?

But thats the whole fun! We each take our different interpretations and pit them against each other. I'm still adamant about my beliefs that Morzan is Eragon's father but we never will truly know until Book 3 comes out.

But Galbatorix was privvy to all the information in all his rider's minds. Hence Selena was revealed to him. Murtagh would have gotten the information from Galbatorix to confirm the Twins theory. It's true that ANYTHING can be made from these SPECULATIONS such as someone thinking that Brom is Eragon's father.

and it really matters which argument you take. both aren't definite, but the one for Morzan as Eragon's father is weaker and has more holes. There is MUCH more evidence to back up Brom as Eragon's father.

maybe not "hard" evidence, but some very good hints. the "hints" do point towards brom.

who made this? one of the options includes murtagh?!?!?!?!

lol. except in Pern they go crazy if they are in two places at once and in HP you can't do too much or else you mess with the timestream. But CP has made it clear that timetravel is out of the question. If you can't even LOOK into other times, why would you be able to GO into different times?

It does, which is why CP chose not to include it, or else I would get a headache on top of my normal headaches, which is not ideal...

definetly, and its not even feasible. so its extra good he doesn't

all the more reason for anyone to never invent it. you'd wreak havoc annie. and break thousands of young children's heart when arya died.

HEY!!! WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?!?!?!

That's going a bit far, Annie.

Say what? No. I'm clarifying my feelings to you. It would be an overstatement to say that it would break my HEART.

Annie...I don't see why you think I was being Ill-mannered...

And of course I know that. I have a mother, don't I? (I don't see how liking Naruto and Avatar has anything to do with it...)

Love is by NO means a theme in Naruto. Naruto is a SHONEN manga. Romance isn't a focus in Shonen mangas. There are many intertangled relationships, but it is by no means revolving around those.

you can hardly even say that in Naruto. Yes, Sakura loves Sasuke and Naruto has a crush on Sakura and Hinata is head-over-heels in love with Naruto, but you can't really say that it "explores" love in any depth. Avatar isn't THAT much different. It's a bigger part, but it's really still not a very big part. And in THAT one, it just seems like a bunch of crushes.

it's JUST anime. k? it's just a few tv shows.

lol. are they watching over your shoulder all the time?

His father IS morzan Murtagh said he was in the ancient language and you can't lie in the ancient language.

well im going to leave the explaining up to someone else see hence im not an oldie lol but i want to know what someone else has to say (im sure again)

well i did pick morzan i def. dont think that it is brom, but maybe it is another character that has not been introduced??? no idea i guess that is just my thoughts

I know for sure it is brom cuz I read the third book and it says so.