I have been over the books so many times it's insane. The more I read, the more I realize Saphira has withheld a lot of information from Eragon. To mention a few in no particular order in the books are the following:

1. Brom speaks to Saphira and must have given her some important information to keep her from landing until Eragon agrees to have Brom accompany them in his quest to avenge his uncle's death.
2. Brom told her who to contact in Gil'ead in case he didn't make it there.
3. Brom allowed Saphira into his memories so that she could see other dragons.
4. Saphira catergorically assures that Brom did not get close to Eragon to watch that he did not become like Morzan.


Could Saphira know if Brom is Eragon's real father?
Could Saphira have seen Brom's memories of Selena?

How much does she really know?

Good point.mabey she does kno eragons name?or the other stuff...

she probably does

she said that Brom told her a lot of stuuf

but shed only reveel it when it was nessecary

Right you are, but can you just try to imagine exactly WHAT may it have been which he told her?

i imagine that he let her into all his memories
so she probably has at least 100 years of Brom memories always in the back of her mind

caterpillar! That's a great theory! You may be onto something. I do remember that Saphira told Eragon that before going to Ellesmera the only image she had of another dragon was those seen through Brom's (:cry: ) memories. I never even bothered to think about everything else. I've been focused on just specific and I lost the view of the whole picture. Thank's a lot!!

your welcome

i specalize in seeing just aboout everything

:D

LOL! Oh and I see that humility is one of your most endearing traits.

yep and modisty is one of yours

But wasn't Brom suppose to knew that Glaerd and Oromis exist..? Afterall he's the friend of the elves...
Saphira didn't expected to find another dragon (besides Shruikan, that is) and she beyond happy when she met Glaedr.. so I don't think Brom share all his memory to her

You are totally correct, Fathskie; Brom must have known of Glaedr and Oromis, but as the elf friend he would have also known that it was vital for this information to remain secret as we learn from Islanzadi, so he may had had to chose carefully the information he revealed to Saphira.

Then he might share only information that he allowed to share... What kind of information? Is personal information included (Selena) ? and dark history (this one is a possibility) ? or some 'rare' ancient languange (powerful magic)..?

We can't say for sure what Brom allowed and not allowed to share with Saphira..

But I'm *almost* sure that Saphira didn't know Eragon's real name... She was young by that time, and it's highly risky if someone with powerful mind forcefully entering Saphira's mind-- it would be a disaster if the enemy found out about it.

I am going by what Saphira told Eragon when the Twins were searching in his mind. Saphira told Eragon she could block and protect a memory only if it was before the Twins reached it. So we agree in the fact that:
we do not know what he shared with Saphira, we do not know if Brom is he real father. It could be powerful words in the Ancient Language, we have no way of finding out until the next book. Yeah, I do not think Saphira knows Eragon's real name. All this waiting is awful.

but if she does know then that means that eragon doesnt have to go on a "quest" to find his true name and saphira could tell his name and then he could get into the vault of souls

I assume that would be correct, if Saphira knows Eragon's true name. I cannot help but continue to wonder what did she and Brom chat about?

Still I can't see a reason why she won't tell Eragon everythink she know

I know that in the 1st book she told Eragon that Brom told her many things that she would say only when it was necessary.

Did you notice this particular dialogue between Saphira and Eragon in Eldest, (P 656)
"...Do you think he didn't tell me about this because he was afraid I might emulate Morzan, like Murtagh has?
Of course not.
He looked at her, curious. [i]How can you be so certain? She lifted her head high above him and refused to meet his eyes or answer. Have it your way, then."


FOOD FOR THOUGHT, HUH!

i agree annie.
she does know many things that would help eragon.
but this is his fight more than her's on some levels. and she is smart.
she will know when it is the right time to reveal what is needed. like if she knows something he can't figure out on his own. exp... telling him who to meet to learn the wereabouts of the varden.

I agree, it is his fight! But can't she tell US what she knows?????

lol. annie u know the answer to that.
it's all up to cp's pen. but all things will happen in good time

Just checking! I guess we can oly wish until the new book is published and we'll finally know!

know we can do more than wish

we can THINK

:D

That's what we have been doing in this site for a loooooooooooong time.

I highly doubt that

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That's exactly what has been driving me crazy! What and How much does she know?

She's a dragon: she probably knows more than Brom about Eragon.

No offense, but that kind is a given. Brom, after all, died and Saphira besides being alive, is linked with Eragon, just like it should be between dragon and Rider.

none taken

but coincidently brom and eragon have the same dragon name

so what if they have the same name of the dragon?

She must not know everything because i remeber she nsaid something like we might never know all of Brom's secrets in the second book.

I have to agree with some of you. Saphira definitely knows more than she lets on. As for Brom being Eragon's father, be realistic people. Eragon and Murtagh look to much alike to be anything but brothers. Only an opinion people. They could just both look like Selena and still have the same dad (Morzan) or they could both have Selena for a mother and look like her and have different dads. Me and my older brother have the same mom and he looks nothing like her except for the eyes. Me, I look exactly like her when she was 14, except for the eyes.

It is all in the genes. Who knows though? I sort of agree with Annie about the except from the end of the second book, but if Brom was actually Eragon's father, y didn't he tell Eragon right before he died? HEY!!!!!!!!! MABY THOSE R THE 7 WORDS BROM TOLD ERAGON!

Somehow, I think not. The final conversation goes as follows:
"He motioned for Eragon to bend closer. Very quietly, he whispered seven words from ther ancient language, then even more softly told him what they meant. "That is all I can give you.... Use them only in great need." Eragon 275

I have the impression that Eragon has the words somewhere stored in the back of his mind. (I think I mentioned this before) We have seen him forget to recall important information at some critical points in the storyplot, so I would not be surprised if the words crop up later in the 3rd book.

In regards to half-brother /fully blood brothers looking very much alike, as you said, "it's all in the genes." my Older daughter and my youngest daughter have different fathers, and if you placed pictures of them side by side as young girls, you would never guess it. My middle one looks nothing like me or her full blood sister; she took completely on her father's side. Therefore, physical similarities cannot have enough weight to determine paternity.

The question which opened this topic is one that we will have all the answers only when Book 3 is published. Nevertheless, I can bet anything, that Saphira receive a lot of information she has not given Eragon. She even acknowledges it to Eragon when they are at Gil'ead.

And Annie hits another home run way out of the ball park, ppl. (very loud cheering)

wow. ur right. but I have seen twins that if you look at them and not know them, u would think they are from a distance family. It never said thet Murtagh looks just like Eragon at all, just that he has the scar and great swords man ship.

You are right, those are fraternal twins, they can be as different as day and night, have different genders and so on, while the identical twins are just that, identical. You are also correct in saying that the books mentions they had many 'common' interests.

yea, but as u said, that could just have come from their mom selana

About Eragon's real name:
I think he will get that from the elves somehow. Brom mentioned to Eragon in the first book, that Elves know their real names and could also reveal him his (atleast I think that was what he told, haven't read the first book for some time now).

So maybe Oromis might reveal Eragon's real name. OR that is what Eragon will find from under the Menoa tree. Still I think it is more likely, that he will find a new sword for himself there.

Still I wondered about Eragon loosing his sword - what will he use for now (during his time of the completion of his training)?

(sorry if I wrote more ideas here, than the subject would of allowed but I readed more threads before registering )

As it is for what Saphira knows that she hasn't told Eragon - I would really like to know that, too. I wouldn't believe it's something THAT great. Just something Eragon might use to get stronger and/or as a part of his training.

(and how the heck is Eragon going to get even more stronger, to beat Murtagh? Not to mention Galbatorix...)

Well, Eragon was forced to make an oath to never speak of Oromis or Glaedr to anyone. Brom would probably be forced into this oath, as well as Arya and Queen Islanzadi. If Brom were to disclose the information of another Rider, all may have been lost if Eragon and Saphira were captured by Galbatorix. Similarly, the information of the whereabouts of the Varden were not disclosed for fear of Eragon's capture. Brom didn't keep much a secret, only that which was necessary to keep hidden from view. Also, Saphira may very well know Eragon's or even her own name in the Ancient Language... maybe dragons are also like elves with a knowlege of their own true names.

well one more thing, there really is a clue there, when brom died saphira told eragon that she knows many informations that was given to her by brom but she promised that she would only say them at the proper time but at this time im halfway eldest, she's not yet revealing many of it...

Stating the obvious?
In the storyline there has been many things of which I would personally like to know a lot more of. I think most of those things will be unrevealed in the third book. As in the second book the revelations made were small. More mysteries were introduced, than solved.
I believe Saphira might of gotten a secret from Brom so she knows how to beat Galbatorix..?
A knowledge, that was way too powerful for Eragon at the time and now it's waiting for its moment?

well yeah... so she may know if brom was really the father of eragon or whoever it may be... or something like that...she knows many things that eragon still cant weild...

you guys forget that everyone has sworn in the ancient laguage to keep oromis's exsistence a secret so brom couldn't have told saphiria about oromis and glaedr

Again, as I did when I opened the topic, we can only speculate. Maybe the dreamer in me cannot assimilate the horror of Eragon being Morzan's son? Maybe that's why I've been "nitpicking" here and there, skimming for clues? Who knows, but hey, it's fun!!

I think that Brom was Eragon's father. If u look at it like this it seems more likely: Morzan had a red dragon, Brom had a blue dragon, both were riders, Selena mayb both ERagon and Murtaghs mother. bearing this in mind if Brom new secrets about Eragon, Morzan, Selena, Murtag, etc, he wouldnt have told Eragon anyway bcos Eragon woldnt have belived him. He may well have belived Morzan was his father but personally i think CP's makin us confused, all will turn out fine and ERagon will b the hero as we all want him to be ( at least i hope so otherwise i m gonna look a tad silly )

i don't think she knows eragons name for these reasons
1. only an elf can tell you a persons name
2. Eragon will more likely go an a quest to find it
3. how could Brom possibly know?

how could Brom be Eragons real father?
that would destroy the whole brother relationship
and Brom would most likely have told eragon before he died

Could Saphira have seen Brom's memories of Selena?
possibly but would that be relevant?
she never met selena and eragon doesn't know what she looks like considering there was no cameras and he was only a baby

LOL! If this turns out to be true, I will be right there to keep you company as we both look silly. I am sure we will have many more to keep us company!!

acctually as i don't think the colour of the fathers dragon would have ANY effect on a son's dragon colour

i thought the color of a dragon egg was a mix of the father and mothers colr ex: a blue and gold dragon make a green dragon

no how did you figure that out

its just an educated and logical guess

yes, but where would the blue dragon have come from? You can't mix blue.

a freak thing, kinda like the time my uncle had a brown horse and a white horse and the made a black horse instead of a tan one like most of the time

thats true blue is a primary colour so it would only be mixing with others not be mixed and what your on about is the dragons mateing not the rider being picked by a dragon

maybe they get a blue dragon from food coloring

very funny

i guess its just a random thing

ye probably

yeah, well, lets get on topic...

i recon that saphira might know where the vault of souls is

2 blue dragons

but i don't believe its genetic
i think it is completely different

i don't think it has to do with fathers
or that brom is eragons father

i agree with you on the it not being based ont the fathers
i still recon that saphira might know where the vault of souls is

if you're thrying to say reckon, add the k, it sounds like your spying on people

hey you knew what i meant and anyway this isn't about my spelling so lets get back to the topic at hand

it isn't that big a deal we all get it
anyway
i think that saphira knowing is a possibility
he could be fighting
saphira could call and direct him
then oh my god the vault of souls
it could work

yes that would be interesting AND prehaps one of the secrets could be about how to get the other dragon egg

Anniebee is usually right. She is most likely right again, and what Skulblaka said makes a ton of snese as well, about info. on getting the 3rd egg.

and no brom could be eragons father because murtagh just assumed that because there mothers had the same name that they were the same person read it again

But selena couldn't have got with Brom because she was always with morzan or in the city of uru'bain so she would have had no contact WHAT SO EVER with brom

Maybe she snuck out and got with him.

don't you think morzan would keep a VERY close eye on her

She could have snuck out when he was busy. Besides Murtagh says he got his scar when Morzan was in a drunken rage ( I think) so she could have snuck out when he was drunk.

some how i doubt it very much

Well, if he was drunk, he would probably not notice her sneaking out. Page 369 "I was only 3 when I got it. During one of his MANY drunken rages, Morzan threw his sword at me as I ran by."- Murtagh

The point that I see is that Morzan defintely underestimated Selena. This is proved at the time she "disappeared" from Morzan's castle and NO ONE could find her. In Eragon we are told that "someone" other that Brom and Joed helped retrieve the egg and place it in the crates were Brom found it. So I have a hunch that the "friend" may have been Selena.
Trying to use my perspective as a mother, I think Selena would want to make Morzan pay for all the pain he caused her. First separating her from he first child, not allowing her to have him by her side and raise him, hurting him to the point of almost killing him...
Again what were the contents of Saphira and Brom's chats, we don't know. I have no idea if Brom would know Eragon's true name, as we are not told if parents knew it or not. All we know is that the elves knew theirs by instinct, and humans would go on a quest to find out.
So, I am left to think Saphira may have all this information, but is held under the promise to release it only would she should feel the need to do so.

i hadn't acctually thought of that it's a really good theory AnnieBee

I was in such a hurry to write before I lost my line of thought, I forgot to include as one of Selena's grievances against Morzan. She must have, eventually, clearly seen the way he was using her, as Murtagh said, "not out of love, but as a tool". (As a woman, I would not be very happy.) I don't know, maybe she knew how ruthless he could be and feared for her life and was fearful to walk out on him?

true very true

I am about to be a tiny bit sarcastic here Skulblaka, no offense intended.
Your eloquence is driving me nuts. Do you care to give a detailed post for me, PLEASE!!

well unless it comes to RP'ing or makeing a point i'm a guy of few words

I like Anniebee's theory. Men have had a history of underestimating women.

Aye men do usually underestimate womens tallents it's happend through out history so ok i'm really starting to warm to the idea that brom may be Eragons father

Yeah, me too. I would love for that to be true. I'm looking for hints in Eragon.

i doubt that there will be many

There are a couple.

you all forget that this is a storie that has been write by Christopher Paolini and not something real, all the men here said that they diden't think of what AnnieBee sayd and Paolini is a men so he diden't thik of that either. and as i sayd it at other subjects, in book2 sais clearly that Eragon's father is Morzan, so this theory has rong

WOW! Honey calm down! I don't think for a moment CP is a chauvinist. After all look at the women he has in power:
Nasuada-Leader of the Varden
Islanzadi-Leader of the Elves
Arya-Egg Courier and Ambassador for the Elves-Warrior

And the men here didn't not think of it, we just liked the theory. I thought about her sneaking out before, I poster somewhere they she snuck out in one of Morzan's many drunken rages.

That's the beauty of the story. In high school, when we were studying the elements of a story I remember somthing called "unexpected twist". So who knows, not you, not me, not us, until the last book is released. Christopher Paolini will do what he'll do, but in the mean time we can all have fun guessing without attacking anyone else's theory, RIGHT!
I still think and hope Brom is Eragon's father.

That red lettering is sooo hard on my poor old eyes!

No doubt it would make Eragon happy, but it would also give him the identity and pride in his ancestors he needs at this point of the story. I think he would be able to draw confidence from this fact and allow him to do what is needed.

no one know wats in CP's mind so we can't know if brm is his father and if he is earagon is gona be happy

Honey, we know that! But then, sites like this one and many others would have no purpose in existing.

You see, Vrmshur'tugal, Skulblaka and I agree.

Back on topic, I still think Eragon will be veeeeery upset when he finds out how much Saphira may have kept from telling him.

Thanks Skulblaka for changing the color. Now I can read it with no difficulty!

No, I don't think so. That would be like not trusting her.