While driving to a nearby town, Ann-Marie and I were listening to Eldest again, when it hit us. Brom was a "seer". He had the gift of foresight and so does Eragon. Herein lies the relationship of "son and father alike, both blind as bats.

Evidence to back it up; "So it starts again. But how and where it will end? My sight is veiled; I cannot tell if this be tragedy or farce, for the elements of both are here.... However it may be, my station is unchaned, and I..." Brom-Eragon 98

Then we are told by Oromis: "Brom came from a family of illuminators in Kuasta. His mother was Nelda and his father Halcomb." Oromis-Eldest 280

This means the Eragons dreams are not scrying or premonitions, they are visions. It also means that we have more evidence to support that Brom is Eragon's father and not Morzan!
* Twirls and does the happy dance*

Any thoughts!

Well, all magical beings have the capacity to see premontitions.

Can you elaborate a little? What specific magical beings? Thanks!

Wouldn't Brom have told Eragon if he was Eragon's father?

I think he would have.
But maybe he died before he could feel comfortable telling him.

My line of thought is that Brom never told Eragon for two reasons;
the first one that comes to mind was protection. Brom was an outspoken enemy to Galbatorix and the Forsworn, therefore to make public the fact that Eragon was his son would have placed both Eragon and Selena in mortal danger. If it would also have made public the illicit romance between Brom and Selena and Morzan would have seeked revenge.

The second reason that comes to mind it; he feared Eragon may reject him for not telling him before, (allowing him to be brought up by Garrow, that is, in the same town, but from a distance), thus, it would have been impossible to train him in the Rider's way.

Well, ok I guess that elves and riders and possibly magicians (dwarfs and humans) can have premonitions. Even if magicians can't, Brom and eragon can. Oh, also what's the definition between a vision and premontition? I don't think that there is... I belive in a lot of theories, but this is just twisting words to the point of imagination...

This is an opinion and I cannot back it with evidence from the books, so pls don't shoot me!

A premonition is like the anticipation of an event without conscious reasons; like a hunch or a feeling, while a vision is something seen in a dream, or like in a trance like state, or it could be an appearance that conveys a revelation.

In Eragon, we have no evidence backing that Brom had any visions, (at least I only have what he said about his "sight being veiled"), while in both Eragon and Eldest, Eragon keeps having visions of coming events in his dreams.

Sorry, but this is the best I can explain it!

Remember when Arya said that that one elf dude was going to kill his son, and saw it in a premonition, well that wasn't a feeling, but a premontition. I know because she compared it to Eragon's experieces.

I actually do recall the passage; Arya was trying to rationalize the dreams Eragon was having.

"The vision still filled Eragon's mind when he crawled out of the tent. He found Saphira some distance from the camp, gnawing on a furry lump. We he told her what he had seen, she paused in midbite, then jerked her neck and swallowed the strip of meat.
The last time this occured, she said, it proved to be a true prediction of events elsewhere, Do you think a battle is in progress in Alagaësia?
He kicked a loose branch. I'm not sure....Brom said you could only scy people, places and things you had already seen. Yet I've never seen this place. Nor had I seen Arya when I first dreamt about her in Teirm." Eldest 146-7

Remember that what I am trying to establish here is the 99.9% probability of Eragon being Brom's son, who inherited the gift of sight from his father.

Eragon has the vision and shares it first with Saphira, who in turn remembers his vision of Arya while she was imprisoned. A true fact, not a feeling or a hunch, keep in mind that neither Eragon, Saphira or Arya can arrive to any other definite conclusion, so Arya first discards it as scrying and then rationalizes it as a premonition, telling him the story of the elf that had a premonition and rather than kill his son, he killed himself.

There is no difference between a vision and premiontition. They are like synonyms.

in the book, didn't they say that galbatorix probably believes that surda is a small--i dunno--problem? and then at the end, the army attacks surda. it is almost like the army is attracted to the varden... just an idea... [/url][/list][/list]

Honey did you read the definition of vision and premonition? They are closely linked, BUT, there are not the same. However, that is not the point under consideration. The point is that Brom comes from a family of illuminators, had the gift of foresight; Assuming Eragon IS his son; he has inherited the gift. Eragon is also a "seer" but has not arrived to that conclusion YET! He is SEEING with tremendous clarity the events in the future. These event have come to happen EXACTLY as he dreamt them.

1. How do you know what an illuminature is?
2. What do you mean by 'Brom is a seer'?

According to the fantasy series, an illuminator is a person who can interpret dreams or visions in this case; while a seer is one that has the ability to see into future events; some seers depending on the series, are made to go into a translike state. During this state they utter prophecies of events to come.

definitions:
illuminator=to make clear or to elucidate; to give a clarifying explanation
seer: a : one that predicts events or developments b : a person credited with extraordinary moral and spiritual insight

Well, as I've said, there isn't a difference between a premonition and vision. Start a topic on that. People will tell you.

I don't believe that Eragons visions would be something that special, because as he has disgussed them with other characters in the books, those characters haven't sayd anything.
I'm not so sure of this idea or my idea, too, but you'll get the point I hope.

well... maybe brom didnt say anything because it could hurt eragon or get him into trouble....

well yipee... morzan couldnt be his father... eragon would be an outcast of every elf or dragon riders if his father was a forsworn..

So you claim that Eragon doesn't have a choice of his own? That if his father is a forsworn, then he is "ruined" as well?

I fully agree with you and i think that Dr.Pepper836 should consult a dictionary before argueing so much[no offence,Dr. just saying as Anniebee is quite older to us].
And i think that Arya couldn't tell Eragon anything,as she wouldn't have known as to why it is happening. Surely, there can be some things to which she doesn't have an answer.

well, that is in the sight others but if they learned to accept him that he is really a son of the first and last of the forsworn then itll be ok... it really depends on the person judging him...

WoW! I thought I had made the explanation clear enough; seems I did not. Be that as it may, you are more than welcomed to open the topic. AND, I may be perceiving you kind of aggressive to what I am trying to bring across here? If you disagree with my line of thought, that is just fine and dandy; that's one of the reasons the forum exists. Just sustain you arguments with facts and information that will enlighten us all.

Brom cannot be Eragons father for selene was his mother and she was married to morzan but selene could be the woman who's brom's compassion forced away from him

Honey, we don't know that. If you look some posts before this one you'll see my post on the "married" issue.

soz but still what do you recon to my theory about selene being the woman who's brom's compassion forced away from him

anniebee u still manage to amaze me... but how do we know that SElena was "married "to morzan. We only have the proof of Murtag and he could of belives it was true and it could of not actually been true

I can see where you get your opinion AnnieBee, but where did you get your definition? I would really like to know, like was it a newsletter from CP or what?

yes so would i

Yes hon, I do believe Selena was the woman whose "Brom's affection was her downfall," this is only my belief and speculation. I can only make my own theories based on my perception of the book, however, a totally different theory or speculation can come up with the same excerpt I came to mine. Nothing will be totally correct or incorrect until the publication of the last book.

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I can see where you get your opinion AnnieBee, but where did you get your definition? I would really like to know, like was it a newsletter from CP or what?

I simply looked them up in the dictionary, (Merriem-Webster)LOL! I am not lucky enough to have that kind of contact with CP, not even in my dreams, but it would be nice though!

if i was on my deathbed like brom i would told someone they were my son

well prehaps brom was scared of haveing eragon know he was his son for some reason

what harm would eragon knowing do

thats why i said for some reason

but there is no reason

true

this quote culd also refer to morzan not being eragons father :
.

While two may share two refers to 2 brothers sharing 2 parents
And one of two is certainly one refers to them sharing one parent
this could mean that brom, or at least not morzan, is eragons father

another theroy for eragons father is found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eragon_%28character%29

thats very clever

We must place ourselves in the shoes or saying it properly, in the mind frame of the character at the time. He would not have had the time to survey more accurately the feelings Eragon may have had towards his father. At the time of his death he may have considered the famous "seven words" more relevant and useful to Eragon than the truth. This is just speculation on my behalf because I so desperately wish for Brom to be his fater and not Morzan.

If Eragon knew that BRom was his father then he would feel diffrent towards Brom then he would if Brom hadent told him. ERagon might also be furious about Brom not telling him just like he was when he found out that Brom was a Dragon Rider.

As Brom said,"There was no need to" Eragon

Hadarac, if my memory serves me right, Eragon was not furious that Brom had not told him he had been a Rider, but he regretted it. He was in deep sorrow that he had not been able to have known more about him as a Rider, as well as having more time with him. I could not pick up any resentfulness in these particular story lines.

taht is most deffinately true AnnieBee

Another thing is they both where always questioning during their trianing to become dragon riders. Just an idea...

I am kind of lost here. What is the "thing" they were always questioning?

i remember a thread comparing this trilogy and the star wars series and it would kinda make it a bit much like it except the guy who said "eragon,i am your father" would have been a good guy....brom

Sorry to burst the WONDERFUL bubble, but Angela predicted Eragon to be BETRAYED in his own family and MURTAGH definitely betrayed him. And I don't see how a family member could betray Eragon if Eragon is Brom's son. See? As much as I LOVE to have Brom as Eragon's REAL dad, I have to point this out....

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*shakes head* why cant they leave well enough alone?

"the worlds full of morons"- my dad

I think that's clever... but I'm unconvinced.

I might just have to just read the books again.


It was climatic when it was revealed that Morzan was Eragon's father and if it turns out that Brom really is so far into the series, the climax would be gone and the parallel between Murtagh and Eragon would be gone.

The story would lose a lot.

What if Morzan had 'sight'? And why would Brom reveal that he was a dragon rider when he was dying instead of the fact that he was Eragon's father?

Lets take into detail that selena was already pregnant when she fled to Carvahall. And she stayed there five months. Unless Brom made her pregnant very quickly, and sped up the pregnancy. However, that might explain Eragons gift of foresight, as he was concived through magic. Hm............ it could swing either way..... well, we can't do anything but wait for empire to come out. And judging by the amount of anticipation and publicity the third book allegedly titled Empire, it's not going to cost 13 bucks like it did with eldest at Sams Club in Houston.

wooooo! ya brom is eragons father


oooooh we got new swords.


anyways i thought this all along