probably does she told him that brom told her stuf and won't tell him until the right time

OOOOOOOH, and the two other people named Eragon too, you can't forget them!

Everyone has a different true name, because no one is the same.

We don't know that. CP is quite circumspect on that topic. Other than what Brom told Eragon, there's not much more to go on.

well, there is a different true name for everything, so why not people?

Yeah. Galbatorix knows Thorn's true name.

Ok, what about Saphira's does anybody know her true name?

No, I don't think they do.

What about Glaedr's or Shruikan?

No. How would they???

I don't know, I was think Galby might of known. Or Orimis.

Oromis might know Glaedr's and Galbatorix probably knows Shruikan's.

Most likely he does. You've been on alot, when does school start for you?

it starts the day after labor day. and this is off topic.

wow no way. Ya think? Anyways... Yea, I haven't really followed the fourm here, but I think u r talking about oromis know galedar's true name and Galby knowing Skrewkins. I agree with that if u r right.

The topic is supposed to be what does Saphira know? Namely, does she know of Eragon's true parentage?

i think she does brom must've told her so she could tell him the truth later on

I think that Oromis knew adn he told Saphira and for her not to tell Eragon, but that he'd tell him when the time was right.

yea thats a good theory b/c he taught brom didnt he? he must have been kinda close 2 him he couldve known

that's my point. If anyone knew, it would be him.

It'll be like the grandfather tells the grandson about what the father was and who was the wife and all that.

what??? how is Oromis like his grandfather??? nevermind.

thats a good question. i would have to say she might be keeping some stuff from eragon...

Thta was made obvious by her averting from Eragon's gaze after the battle. But I think that Oromis told her and also told her not to tell Eragon, bacuse he would tell Eragon when the time was right.

I bet she knows Eragon's true name, his real father, how his mother died, how she was like, the location of the last dragon egg and many more.

I believe Saphira knows all that...but i also believe that even Eragon knows his real name, the seven words Brom told him...thats his real name and thats what he will have to tell to the kuthian hill, where the souls rest.

It may be his true name, maybe not. How his mother died? Now that I don't think she totally knows. Maybe Oromis told her. How she was like? Only if Brom told her, which I don't think she did. I still think that Oromis told her that Brom was Eragon's real father.

seven words may be too long for a name. I believe it might be a keyword to some forbidden place where he can train for one hour it would be like training for 10 years and he won't even age at all.

That's the craziest theory I've ever heared!!! It may be his true name, we don't really know how long they are.

what were the seven words again? i think that she ns thatbrom is his father and about his mother and stuff but im not sure if she even nos his true name

We never knew the words. The book said he whispered them but didn't tell us what they were. I don't think Brom told Saphira that much b/c she was not as old at that time.

So like you to finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and not acknowledge your mistakes...

Moving on, the point continues to be that Saphira knows a lot more than what she has let on. How much does she really know? That remains to be seen. I thought it was obvious, but then as I've said before, I love nit-picking books! :roll:

The reason why I didn't believe it was that I didn't believe that Brom told her because then she would have said something. After I found a quote that Angela said, it became apparent that an elf knew. The most likely elf to know is Oromis. And if so, Oromis probably told her and told her not to tell Eragon.

told her what his true name?

no, that Brom is Eragon's real father.

oh ok yea im certain that he told her that at the end of eldest b/c she couldnt look at him directly ( or somethin of that nature) lol

I rekon Brom did tell Saphira a lot of things but how could Brom know Eragons true name?? Arent elves the only one who can tell people there true names?? of coarse Eragon ould go on a quest and find out but How could brom know???
But i think Saphira saw some of the reli old dragons wen she looked through Broms memories and i rekon they were the wild dragons cause he did say he had seen them.

I think that she wasn't told much more than we know she knows. of course there is the possibility that Oromis told Saphira who Eragon's real father is... *cough Brom cough cough*

lol i did that same exact thing on another post about eragons father! lol

No, I continue with my theory, Saphira knows a lot more than what she has led the reader to believe. I'm dying to know the truth of this, and so much to wait~!

if saphira saw all of broms memories she wuld no what his dragon Saphira looks like and she could of known the way to the varden and stuff like that...she would also no heaps of spells Eragon doesnt even no about...

true thats why she would make an awesome rider!

If I understood correctly what I read, Saphira saw some of Brom's memories. I didn't understand he had allowed her through ALL his memories. But hey, that was my personal interpretation!

Yes, to that I can agree. Saphira knows a lot more about Brom than Eragon.

now THAT i can definately agree about!

Yes and I do too. Finally we all agree on something.

finally atopic where all 3 of u agree! lol thats what i understood 2 anniebee

we can only speculate as to how much more saphira knows in comperison to eragon. she knew the way to the vrden before eragon did because brom told her. he also told her he was a rider. the rest of her knowladge is a mystery.

this is ALL speculation here!!! We just discuss what we think will happen. Mine are at least based in odd quotes from the book and/or raw facts from the book.

some people think that Brom told her that he is Eragon's father. (i believe it is true, and i'll post my argument in a moment. let me copy & paste it here.)

He might be but I'm not positive. Some of your stuff I agree on and some I don't.

like what parts do you agree with?

it matters how you use the word "argue". there are like 20 deffinitions. These are the ones I use for my type of arguing:

1. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate.
2. a process of reasoning; series of reasons
3. a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point
4. an address or composition intended to convince or persuade; persuasive discourse
5. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood
6. fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason
7. A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion from the others.


is that enough 4 ya? lol. he agrees with me sometimes. he just doesn't like to admit it. lol.

what? the deffinitions or the agreeing with me part? sometimes u just say "agree" after what I say, even though it's spamming, which is against the rules, I might add.

Alot because Brom told her many things and she knows stuff like what's suppposed to happen if things happen like if the Varden is destroyed or if they are captured and must join Galby.

Brom did tell saphira a lot of stuff dat she hasnt revealed..bt i still think dat all dat he sed ws more like a guidance n ntn like a weapon or 'secret words'..i mean if he wouldve discoverd sumfin like dat, he wuldve told Oromis, his mentor..i feel he told her sum way to find sumthing...mayb he had found a way to steal d last egg, a way dat wuld req a lot of power which eragon culd onli provide when he ws ready n so told saphira to wait until she ws absolutely sure abt his strength..
or mayb he had disclosed to saphira, a weakness of galbatorix himself...nw d onli weakness i can find in galbatorix is his AGE n his relationship wid shruikan..i mean Shruikan n he share a perverted union - a image of d actual bond..mayb brom devised a way to destroy dat bond and hence make Galbatorix weak...bt still it wuld take a lot of energy and so saphira may hav hidden it away until she ws sure of Eragon's might..

so ultimately it cums down to d fact dat saphira, i feel hides sumfin very imp bt will reveal it onli when she believes Eragon to b strong and wise enough......

She'll tell him when she thinks he is mature enough to deal with whatever she needs to tell him.

This is exactly what I believe; she will say and tell ONLY when she thinks Eragon can handle the truth with maturity.

brom gave eragon 7 words in d ancient lang...mayb it wasnt a complete spell..mayb he told saphira d end part n told her to tlll it to eragon when he ws ready..mayb its a spell bringin sum1 gr8 power n wll mayb he wasnt sure if eragon wuld b capable of dat much temptation..evn tho he had faith in eragon, he culdnt trust him wid dat much of power

I think the seven words of power relate to the Vault of Souls and the killing of Galby. Maybe he has to say those seven words to beat Galby somehow with like destroynig his magic or something.

wll it culd b a way to severe d corrupted bond shared by galby n shruikan..i mean galbatorix wasnt d person hu shruikan hatched for..so their connection may nt b as strong..mayb deep down shruikan hates Galby n wants him dead..bt still i cant imagine d power req to overcome dat much of black magic..bt still it doesnt stick to 'use only when in gr8 need' i mean neither does mine bt..
hey i jus came up wid dis one..mayb the words are sumfin like a password or sumthing...mayb its a password for gettin his old sword bak..mayb brom enchanted d Menoa Tree and jus gave Eragon d password to it..n den he told Saphira wht it actually was and so she'll tll Eragon only now, when he needs a sword

I don't know. Maybe he could use it to kill galby or open the vault of souls.

to OPEN d vault of souls he has to speak his true name..mayb it is to USE d vault of souls..o n i gt anoder theory..v kno brom ws hell powerful bt at times v saw dat he gt tired trying to cast simple spells to..
mayb he created a void sumwhr where he stored his energy n knowledge..jus like a Pensieve in d HP books..n dis way he told eragon d password n saphira where to find it...n dis way if he gt Brom's power n knowledge, he wuld b like whoa! he d easily crush murtagh n den mayb tear galby's secret out n den becum strong enuff to destroy galby himself..
oh n it d solve anoder prob too..d prob of like d age gap between him n Arya wuld b removed

That could happen. But I'm not sure. I think he yells his name out to the vault of souls and the souls give him power enough to kill galby and free murtagh if he is still good, hopefully. I like Murtagh and Thorn.

Yeah he yells his name out and the door opens and the souls come and give him power enough to kill Galbatorix and hopefully free Murtagh if he is still good.

Well he has done alot to make the dwarves hate him but I'm not sure. He wsa under an oath so maybe if does alot of good things for them then his trust will become more tight if does alot of good things.

[quote="AnnieBee"][color=cyan]Idk! I'm not sure if Murtagh will survive the series. He is in such big disgrace just now, even if it is not publicly known. [/color][/quote]

I don think he is a disgrace i mean he has been twisted by Galby..n wll i still don think dat d words r connected to d vault of souls..I mean he was asked to speak his name..mayb his TRUE name n d vault may nt giv him power bt giv him a way to attain knowledge n power of a large no of yrs in a small time

Then he'd be pretty powerful he had more knowledge of the ancient language. Maybe Brom's soul is in there and it connects with Eragon's and he learns alot from it as well.

Lethrblakahunter, that has been a matter of contention for me. Murtagh had a choice. Not very promising, but a choice nevertheless. He had the opportunity to chose between submitting or dying. Murtagh was as his father, power hungry, so he chose to submit rather than die. AND he KNEW by experience how twisted Galbatorix is, that's the reason he ran away from him in the first place. So, at least to me, he is in disgrace. Then he killed Hrothgar in his debut as a Dragon Rider. Once that is known, the dwarves hatred towards dragon riders is bound to increase.

I will bring the words of Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets:

"It is our choices, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

Yeah, I think it was a very bad mistake to kill Hrothgar, hopefully when galby dies that Murtagh will become good again and then he can do a lot of stuff to get forgiveness from the dwarves.

Yes, but I would get over it if that person made a vow and never went to the wrong side again and did many a great thing for me.

I just don't like it when people don't like me because of what I've said so I tell them what they can do for forgiveness instead of me being mean and saying stuff like don't come here again or something like that

Oh, well maybe you need practice. Why did you roll your eyes when you said he spared Eragon?

Also didn't he disobey Galby? So he's goiing to be in trouble when he gets back. So does that mean Murtagh has some good in him?

Yeah so next time they meet someone is going to have to die.

We already know that she knows tons more than Eragon so what's there to talk about?

than desert the topic. that is the simplest answer.

i think eragon will kill murtagh in their next encounter

Somebody is going to have to die because Murtagh made a vow to Galbatorix that he has to kill Eragon next time.

that is exactly what i read.