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How much does Saphira know that she hasn't told Eragon?
I have been over the books so many times it's insane. The more I read, the more I realize Saphira has withheld a lot of information from Eragon. To mention a few in no particular order in the books are the following:
1. Brom speaks to Saphira and must have given her some important information to keep her from landing until Eragon agrees to have Brom accompany them in his quest to avenge his uncle's death.
2. Brom told her who to contact in Gil'ead in case he didn't make it there.
3. Brom allowed Saphira into his memories so that she could see other dragons.
4. Saphira catergorically assures that Brom did not get close to Eragon to watch that he did not become like Morzan.
Could Saphira know Eragon's real name?
Could Saphira know if Brom is Eragon's real father?
Could Saphira have seen Brom's memories of Selena?
How much does she really know?
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Well i know that Brom isnt Eragons real father. Im thinking that this may be information that would be left for the battle with Galby or some of it. This is a good topic by the way.
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Eragon the 1st elf
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she could tell him info on galby and morzan
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Or, she may know where the vault of souls is! Or, she could just know nothing. I hope its the first option, though. Perhaps she is knows spells she hides from Eragon to protect him?
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Eragon the 1st elf
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thats a good idea but it's wishful thinking
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Pomfret wrote: Well i know that Brom isnt Eragons real father. Im thinking that this may be information that would be left for the battle with Galby or some of it. This is a good topic by the way.
Come on don't burst my bubble. I truly hope he is Eragon's dd. It would fit very well.
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Eragon the 1st elf
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it fots and makes eragon relived that morzan isn't his father
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Svit-kona wrote: Or, she may know where the vault of souls is! Or, she could just know nothing. I hope its the first option, though. Perhaps she is knows spells she hides from Eragon to protect him?
I remember that when Eragon discussed the Prophecy with Saphira, She told him they would know "when the time comes" or something around those lines. She did say that the werecat had used powerful words and they were important. So there is a possiblity that she learned additional information some time after the events developed.
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Eragon the 1st elf
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but its eragons propechy not saphiras
but eragons a idiot
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Eragon the 1st elf wrote: but its eragons propechy not saphiras but eragons a idiot
Sorry, I didn't understand your point here. Can you clarify for me? Thanks!!
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Eragon the 1st elf
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Solembum told Saphira about eragons propechy but if eragon was told he'll do somthing stupid
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No, it was Eragon who shared the prohecy first with Saphira at the outsides of Teirm. Solembum met Saphira for the first time when they were both at Farthen Dûr.
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Eragon the 1st elf
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oh yeah i forgot about that bit
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I'am telling you. I love these books as much as the Harry Potter series. That's why I can find the quotes so easily.!
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Eragon the 1st elf
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i get quotes from memory
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You are privilaged! A photographic memory. I wouldn't mind having one.
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i do
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AnnieBee wrote: No, it was Eragon who shared the prohecy first with Saphira at the outsides of Teirm. Solembum met Saphira for the first time when they were both at Farthen Dûr.
maybe solumbum told saphira where the rock of kuthain was when he talked to her inF arthen Dûr
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saphira said she remenbered Kuthian from somewhere like Arya
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Silver rider wrote: AnnieBee wrote: No, it was Eragon who shared the prohecy first with Saphira at the outsides of Teirm. Solembum met Saphira for the first time when they were both at Farthen Dûr. maybe solumbum told saphira where the rock of kuthain was when he talked to her inF arthen Dûr
This is a possibility, there is so much that Saphira is keeping to herself. And I do not think Solembum would betray these secrets to anyone, not even to Angela.
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Eragon the 1st elf
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Solembum didn't tell Angela cos she didn't have a right to know
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That's exactly what I said.
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Re: How much does Saphira know that she hasn't told Eragon?
AnnieBee wrote: I have been over the books so many times it's insane. The more I read, the more I realize Saphira has withheld a lot of information from Eragon. To mention a few in no particular order in the books are the following:
1. Brom speaks to Saphira and must have given her some important information to keep her from landing until Eragon agrees to have Brom accompany them in his quest to avenge his uncle's death. 2. Brom told her who to contact in Gil'ead in case he didn't make it there. 3. Brom allowed Saphira into his memories so that she could see other dragons. 4. Saphira catergorically assures that Brom did not get close to Eragon to watch that he did not become like Morzan.
Could Saphira know Eragon's real name? Could Saphira know if Brom is Eragon's real father? Could Saphira have seen Brom's memories of Selena?
How much does she really know? ya i am curious about everything exept for one thing. i don't think she knows eragons true name. she would have told him
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You are right, IF and that is a BIG IF, Saphira knows Eragon's real name, why haven't she told him?
Could it be that she's saving it for when the moment comes when he will need to know and use it.
Keep in mind tha Eragon immediately went to Saphira after Angela casted his future and Solembum talked to him. We also need to keep in mind that Brom flew with Saphira to try and kill the Urgals that Eragon knocked out. They flew together for TWO DAYS, and who knows what conversation may have been had between the two.
We know for a fact that Brom gave Saphira the name of the person to contact in Gil'ead. So we do not know what other information Saphira was told by Brom!
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Eragon the 1st elf wrote: saphira said she remenbered Kuthian from somewhere like Arya no she said the name sounds owerful she doesn't know where it is
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Quote: no she said the name sounds powerful she doesn't know where it is
Yes. I am too exhauted to look it up just now, but Saphira said something around the lines of: You should remeber the words of the werecat, it's important. I believe Eragon asked her why and she answered something like the names he used were powerfu, Kuthian, no we should not forget or something like that.
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didn't brom say something along the lines of to know ones true name can be a powerful thing may be saphira know his true name and is not telling him because she is afraid it will destroy him.
but then why would brom know eragons true name
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That's a good theory, but you're right- why would Brom or Saphira know that?
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Zarkal the plague wrote: didn't brom say something along the lines of to know ones true name can be a powerful thing may be saphira know his true name and is not telling him because she is afraid it will destroy him.
but then why would brom know eragons true name
No. I remember her telling Eragon something like, "it wouldn't break YOU." and she stressed the you.
If my theory of Brom being Eragon's fatheris true father, then it would make sense that he knew Eragon's true name.
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Zarkal the plague
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but why would his father now his true name
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I don't know! Maybe because parents are suppose to know. I have not been able to figure out that enigma, yet.
I think that with Murtagh, Selena and Morzan must have known their son's real name and either Morzan told Galbatorix or he retrieve it from Selena or Murtagh.
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i thought it said somewhere in the books that the only way for humans to find there true name was to go on a quest for it
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It said that some went on a quest and others asked elves; and elves intintintively knew their true names. At the same time it mentions that elves did not give out that info so freely.
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Zarkal the plague
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so how did they find there true names on a quest and does that mean that galby went on quests for thorns and murtaghs names
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I really do not have the answer to that. CP doesn't give specifics on it.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wait how could galby have gone on quest with out leaving castle
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Keep in mind he has lived for more than 100 yrs and I suppose that at some point he does leave the castle.
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didn't it say that he hasent left in like 20 years?
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It mentions that he leaves the castle for only brief periods of time. In regrds to the quest we need to keep in mind that during those 100 years he was not always as confined to his castle as he is now.
Now this rises another question; What is going on with Galbatorix that he doesn't leave the castle and if he does, it's only for short periods of time. We know through Murtagh that he is still powerful, but why did he want Roran, Eragon and Arya taken to him? Why not he, himself go to them? It would have been a lot easier since he's so powerful. It would have been easier for him to capture them then sending so many others who failed????????
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but murtagh was not alive then ( hey he has rarely left his castle since murtgh was born right?) and he may be dying
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Oh I'm sorry, I was talking about Galbatorix knowing Morzan's true name.
I think this is why of all the forsworn, he was his favorite or most loyal. So it would lead for Morzan to tell Galbatorix Murtagh's real name. (That's if the parents knew their children's real name).
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ah i see what you mean
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I guess I'll have to wait and see if Brom was or not Eragon's father and if Saphira knew this and Eragon's real name. Wait, wait, wait, I HATE IT!
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there was a theory that morzon was not eragons father because it said that morzon was killed 20 years ago and eragon is only 16 but i think they said they miss read it and it said killed about 20 years ago
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Zarkal the plague wrote: there was a theory that morzon was not eragons father because it said that morzon was killed 20 years ago and eragon is only 16 but i think they said they miss read it and it said killed about 20 years ago
At this time I am too wrapped up with school. The end of the semester is so close the professors are driving us crazy.
Once the semester is done, I do not intend to pick up any clsses this summer, so I will check out some theories with microscopic throughness and this is one on the ever growing list.
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Zarkal the plague wrote: there was a theory that morzon was not eragons father because it said that morzon was killed 20 years ago and eragon is only 16 but i think they said they miss read it and it said killed about 20 years ago
really where does it say that morzan died 20 years ago
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April 29th, 2006, 4:40 pm |
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Zarkal the plague
DragonRider in Training
Joined: April 3rd, 2006, 12:56 am Posts: 532 Location: somewhere deep in my mind
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i dont know i read it in another subject
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I remember when i was young in 1777. I remember being a powerless man that could not control my fate much less that of the people around me. I temember hearing the howls of the wolves and wishing i could run with them. And then came that faithful day when i was attacked by a lone wolf looking for food. It turns out what he called a curse was a blessing to me. I was finally able to run with the wolves not just in my imagination but in reality with four paws of my own. I was no longer a mere man or a victim of fate but a creature of the night, an immortal, A WereWolf.
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May 1st, 2006, 9:04 pm |
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