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Shade-of-Red
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You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Me? The Belt, The Vault of Souls, the involvement of the third rider and how they didn't do ANYTHING to defeat Galb, Angela, Murtaugh, Arya, Saphira's mating and Eragon's lack of courtmenship.
and above all: Chris's nerve to say that he'll revisit the land he spent 12 years dragging out.
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March 12th, 2012, 7:25 am |
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shadowstalker
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Re: You finished the book. What urked you the most?
in Arya's defence she did not become rider until after galbatorix's death and it was also proffosised that eragon alone would be the fall of galbatorix
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March 20th, 2012, 5:19 pm |
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Re: You finished the book. What urked you the most?
What did you expect Shade? There was no way in Hades they were going to get that egg away from Galby while he was alive, so of course the third dragon wasn't going to be involved. And it's not fair to say the same about the third Rider because come on, Arya did kill Shruikan.
I was very pleased with the idea of little Saphira babies running around, torching the countryside and whatnot.
A little sad about Murtagh, although again, not surprising once you get to it and read his reasons for leaving. I just wish he could have stayed around and worked through his problems, but if him going off by himself means he'll still be around in future books, I'll take it.
What irked you about the VoS? Here we all were debating about whether it was Eldunari or eggs, and CP completely pulled the rug out from under us by making it both. I thought it was clever, maybe a little too cushy, but I loved it. I might have even teared up a little at the eggs, but there's no proving it.
The infamous Book 5 which has NOTHING to do with the IC, that's just what everyone is calling it for now, is going to have a lot of Angela's backstory, so can't complain about that.
Not sure what you mean by "Eragon's lack of courtmenship".
And I would have hated it if CP had never came back to Alageasia, there are just too many stories that can be told there. Also, as you say, it took him 12 years to write this. I think it's his right to come back for more, despite your opinions. But don't worry, he says he won't be writing about it for awhile, he wants to try his hand at some other projects first.
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March 20th, 2012, 5:31 pm |
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shadowstalker
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
agreed
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March 29th, 2012, 3:29 pm |
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Vrail
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I absolutely loath the fact that Eragon and Arya are not together. When i finished the book i was like "what the heck is this???" At the end that was all i was waiting for and it would have been PERFECT. Arya clearly digs him, she cries when she finds out he is leaving. that is a given. so why not finish it off.
OR add a section on the end that is like 10-20-50 years later showing them together?
Damn you Chris!
My favorite part is definitely how Galby died. He kills himself because of the Realization of the grief hes caused! CLASSIC!!! Not to mention i think this keeps the hands of the riders "pure". Galby killed them but in the end, they did not bloody their hands. Which in a way i can see being the moral and Rider thing to do.
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April 17th, 2012, 2:11 pm |
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gomenesigh
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Well to be honest I thought it was a great ending. It was just enough romance at the end for the people who want them to be together (Though I know that is not enough for many) and also keeps them apart for the people who don't want them together.
Also, even though they do care for each other it an epilogue at the end would defeat the purpose of the series really. Arya has to stay in Alagaesia and Eragon has to settle somewhere and live there for the sake of all of Alagaesia. And it isn't like they wouldn't ever communicate again. I'm sure Eragon would find a way to stay in contact with them.
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April 17th, 2012, 8:47 pm |
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shadowstalker
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
the reason arya and eragon are not together is because they needed some one to train the new riders when they came and eragon was leaving so he could help the eldanure.
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May 3rd, 2012, 4:18 pm |
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gomenesigh
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Well there are many more reasons than that. Arya had to stay to help her people, Eragon left because he was too powerful, Eragon did not agree with all of Nasuada's new ideas, etc etc. And honestly it wouldn't have made for a very good ending if he had stayed and they had been together and live happily ever after.
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May 4th, 2012, 7:03 pm |
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shadowstalker
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
very good points and i agree that would have made a horrible ending
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May 9th, 2012, 4:30 pm |
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collinsmach1
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
When the defeation of Galbatorix was not very epic, a light exploded which killed him.
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June 27th, 2012, 10:57 am |
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I'MNOTCRAZY
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
The ending was so weak. He leaves and can't come to visit... why? If others will become riders, then they have to come to him. Where is Arya going to get her training as a rider? There were clearly a lot of nuances to fighting as a rider rather than fighting on your own that only a rider could teach. Beyond that, why can't he visit once there are others to take care of the dragons? And what was so wrong with the dragons being in Du Weldenvarden again, perhaps north of the map? And seriously, why is it like to the right of the map of Alagaesia is the edge of the earth? There's seriously never been any explorers who've gone down that river?
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September 3rd, 2012, 2:01 pm |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Mmm... Don't quote me on this, haven't read the book in forever, but I think Eragon mentioned something about the writings of some explorer or another that went out that way. I think the reason the map just sort of ends was so people could get a close up view of the places that mattered in the book.
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September 3rd, 2012, 5:45 pm |
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I'MNOTCRAZY
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
It's implied that the map is what is considered "Alagaesia" and anything off of the map is considered another continent. That's why Eragon going east is considered leaving Alagaesia (I totally thought that he was going to go west across the sea, like in LOTR).
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September 3rd, 2012, 5:52 pm |
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Saphirarox
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Lol
Really I have no idea why the maps ends, other than it does. Is there a reason for it? I doubt it, but my gut says it's a possibility. Maybe CP just didn't want us getting a good look at where the Riders new home will be, before he's ready to show us. It's also possible there's nothing on that side because he hasn't decided what it will look like yet.
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There's no such thing as sane, we're all crazy. Well hello Captain Obvious...Nice to meet you, I'm Lieutenant Sarcasm. >:) Something here doesn't make sense. Let's go and poke it with a stick. - The Doctor
Amy: You threw the manual in a supernova? Why? Doctor: Because I disagreed with it! Now stop talking to me while I'm cross!
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September 3rd, 2012, 6:02 pm |
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gomenesigh
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Eragon leaves out of his decision. He believes (I think) that he is too powerful and they don't need someone like him in Alagaesia after Galbatorix. Especially after all the things Nasuada wanted him to do. I don't think you realize how long it would take for others to be there to take care of the dragons. It can't just be elves or humans or any other people. It has to be a rider and no one has the experience or knowledge or has been with a dragon long enough to do that besides Murtagh who is out of sorts at the end of the book. Maybe in a few centuries if he is still alive he might choose to go back. That is the minimum length it would take to establish a place like that though. The whole point of him going east was so the dragons could be away from Alagaesia completely. To be able to train in a place that does not affect Alagaesia and gives them plenty of space to train freely without pressures and obligations like Eragon had to have.
I think the main reason he went east instead of north is because I believe Murtagh went north and (I think it was mentioned) that there were only more trees and something bad that wouldn't have been good for training dragons. Going east we can vaguely assume that there would be lots of open areas and flat terrain which would be better for growing dragons.
As for Arya: She did have countless Eldunari with her in Alagaesia still that would be more than enough help for her. She has had training from Oromis in some ways or another and she doesn't really need to learn how to fight with a dragon from another rider. Eragon had to learn on his own and he was much less of everything compared to Arya at the time. The only reason she would need to learn fighting from a rider is if she was going to fight one... and seeing as Eragon is the only other rider I don't think that is a top priority. Anything else the other dragons would be able to teach.
In response to what else has been said, I'm pretty sure the map ends because we don't need to know what is out there. The story doesn't take place anywhere but Alagaesia and that's all we need to see (even if people including me wants to see what is beyond). It gives Paolini room to write a lot more in upcoming books and gives him more time to decide what he wants to be out there. And whether people like it or not it did make for a good ending. It will make many people want to pick up the next books and see what is out there.
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September 3rd, 2012, 6:11 pm |
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I'MNOTCRAZY
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
There's still no good reason why he can't visit. I still don't understand the whole thing about him being too powerful. Does he not trust himself to not abuse his power? I understand that he can't take any role in politics, but that doesn't mean he has to effectively not exist.
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September 3rd, 2012, 7:22 pm |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
There are other ways of staying in contact that doesn't require him to physically be there. I'm sure he does have doubts about himself but it's more about the people. After just getting rid of an over-powerful dictator they don't want someone else who holds so much power. He's connected to every race and even if he didn't want it, everyone would want help or want him to do things.
He also has to worry about where he and his companions are going more than worry about Alagaesia. He's most certainly going far enough away where a visit back would be unwise. He has to do a lot of things regardless before he can even consider abandoning his new home. Setting it up... worrying about enemies, food, water, general things to take care of everyone. They have to build places for the dragons to sleep and maintain them and keep them big enough for when the dragons grow. There's a lot of stuff that they have to do to prepare.
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September 4th, 2012, 6:06 am |
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I'MNOTCRAZY
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Which is exactly why he should refuse all manipulation. He isn't stupid. He's proved that much. He holds the power, but he doesn't have to use it as a dictator does, or at all. That's the difference between him and Galbatorix... other than the obvious not-evil/evil thing.
He's immortal. I'm sure he can find time to visit. Also, places for dragons to live? All they have to do is find a mountain or canyon and start digging. It's not rocket science.
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September 5th, 2012, 2:52 am |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Lol, but when you consider that they'll all be the size of mountains eventually... It's best to keep them as far away as possible for as long as possible.
And what if someone threatened Roran or his family unless Eragon did what they wanted him to? He might know the Word now, but that doesn't do him any good if he doesn't know where to look if they were kidnapped or something.
Eragon would never use his power in the way Galbatorix did willingly, but if forced in such a way or another? I can see where it would make people anxious. Much better for him to be so far removed from the rest of the world that no one would bother trying to influence him.
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Like the majestic dragon, Saphira, you are brave and ferocious in battle but also deep in ancient wisdom. You think before flying headfirst into battle. You prefer the solitude of the wilderness to the populated cities of Alagaesia.
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There's no such thing as sane, we're all crazy. Well hello Captain Obvious...Nice to meet you, I'm Lieutenant Sarcasm. >:) Something here doesn't make sense. Let's go and poke it with a stick. - The Doctor
Amy: You threw the manual in a supernova? Why? Doctor: Because I disagreed with it! Now stop talking to me while I'm cross!
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September 5th, 2012, 2:58 am |
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I'MNOTCRAZY
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
"Eventually" is right. Saphira isn't anywhere near mountain sized, and she won't be for centuries.
I think you're thinking too hard. I don't recall him using that reasoning himself, so I hardly see how it holds. If it were an issue, it would be a good issue to bring up. Also, you do not mess with a dragon rider's family, especially if the dragon rider happens to be all-powerful. That could happen, but he could always scry Roran and cast wards from there, if not AOE spells. He has enough magic with the eldunari that it wouldn't kill him to cast over distance.
_________________ taking someone's dragon for a joyride... not one of my better ideas "I suppose I won't see you for a while, so farewell, best of luck, avoid roasted cabbage, don't eat earwax, and look on the bright side of life!" - Angela [/color]
RiderEriel wrote: Oh wow.. I'm seriously scared of IMNC, I'll give you guys that. (No sarcasm there, I really am LOL)
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September 5th, 2012, 3:07 am |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Quote: Which is exactly why he should refuse all manipulation. He isn't stupid. You aren't exactly thinking about this the right way. Of course he is not stupid but as someone who hold a lot of power and is connected to every race, he doesn't have a choice in many things as we saw in the other books. Having power and using it isn't the same as being a dictator too. He also isn't immortal. Did you not read the third book? Also... no they cannot just find some large place and start digging. They have to take into account those places could be homes to other races they don't know about. They would have to search the entire mountain/ canyon/ whatever before making such an impression so quickly.
It would also be better for Eragon to make living preparations for dragons since he does and will be one of the only people to have that power.
I think Saph is making good points too. People would probably much rather have Eragon far away after how Galbatorix was. Even if they are nothing alike. That's not an issue they could really bring up since they didn't talk much to normal people. It's the same reasons why he didn't become King though.
You underestimate people lol. There are going to be people who hate Eragon, and Roran and Arya. People know how close they all are and they aren't going to care how powerful Eragon is if he isn't close nor will they understand how powerful he is. What is Galbatorix has kids or other family not mentioned? I bet they would probably take vengeance. Or is somehow there are more Ra'zac that come over from across the sea or some other race.
You are also so much assuming that the Eldunari would allow their energy to be used for such a thing. I honestly don't think they would. There are more things to consider than his family and I think they would be willing to sacrifice them even if Eragon is not.
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September 5th, 2012, 3:53 am |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
And the scrying thing doesn't hold up, we've known since Eldest that scrying spells can be blocked. (Actually we've known it since the first book. Ajihad or someone mentioned it was impossible to scry Ellesmera.)
gome has a point about the Eldunari. They respect Eragon I'm sure, and they might even feel sorry for him (not likely, they're dragons after all), but they consider their first duty to be protecting the eggs and the young dragons inside them. That is what they will save their strength for, and not use it to simply protect the insignificant light of life that is a human, even one Eragon cares about.
_________________ You are most like SAPHIRA
Like the majestic dragon, Saphira, you are brave and ferocious in battle but also deep in ancient wisdom. You think before flying headfirst into battle. You prefer the solitude of the wilderness to the populated cities of Alagaesia.
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There's no such thing as sane, we're all crazy. Well hello Captain Obvious...Nice to meet you, I'm Lieutenant Sarcasm. >:) Something here doesn't make sense. Let's go and poke it with a stick. - The Doctor
Amy: You threw the manual in a supernova? Why? Doctor: Because I disagreed with it! Now stop talking to me while I'm cross!
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
By far the most annoying thing was the ending. It sucked. Eragon is the most powerful person ever. He could've easily protected the dragons. He has so much energy, he CHANGED THE SPELL BINDING ELVES, HUMANS, AND DRAGONS! How is it possible that he can't even clean up Vroengard from the poison? He did for Urubaen. Horrible ending to an amazing book
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September 25th, 2012, 11:09 pm |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Because the whole point is to not make him over-powered. He has the ability to do all of those things but he chooses not to. There would be no point to clean up Vroengard because it is a place for dragon riders to live and he and Murtagh are the last living ones. Plus, if he did that then people would want more and more from him and it would be harder for him to leave. Plus, that would have just been a filler few pages or a chapter and wouldn't be needed at all.
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September 28th, 2012, 3:40 am |
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Saphirarox
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I don't think that it was he couldn't clean it up, but rather he wouldn't. Vroengard is too easily accessible by any that would wish to do the young dragons harm. That's why he went so far away. In time the elves might cleanse Vroengard, but not for awhile I would think. But it will never be the center of the Rider's power again.
_________________ You are most like SAPHIRA
Like the majestic dragon, Saphira, you are brave and ferocious in battle but also deep in ancient wisdom. You think before flying headfirst into battle. You prefer the solitude of the wilderness to the populated cities of Alagaesia.
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There's no such thing as sane, we're all crazy. Well hello Captain Obvious...Nice to meet you, I'm Lieutenant Sarcasm. >:) Something here doesn't make sense. Let's go and poke it with a stick. - The Doctor
Amy: You threw the manual in a supernova? Why? Doctor: Because I disagreed with it! Now stop talking to me while I'm cross!
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Shade-of-Red wrote: Chris's nerve to say that he'll revisit the land he spent 12 years dragging out. The story lacks closure. Chris does not need to leave plot elements hanging to get people to want to read the next novel like a TV soap opera. He should have closed most major plot threads. Even if he did this there would be plenty of scope for future series / book. To be more specific: Arya should have gone with Eragon. The closing scene was contrived to in an attempt to ensure prophecy are fulfilled yet it is blatantly twisted. Eragon never grows up enough to lead the Riders. He ends up carrying around some Enduri advisers and they agree to lend him some power for awhile. But he still knows less than all but the youngest elven children and has a superficial appreciation of other living creatures in Alagaesia. Chris admits he changed the ending because he could get Eragon to grow up enough on the return trip from Vroengard. http://shurtugal.com/2011/12/10/first-p ... -and-more/It would have been far better if he used magic to stretch time as Galbatorix did when trying to convert Nasuada. Eragon with the Eldunari knowledge and power could have slowed time using so the return trip took 10 years. Enough time for him and his tutors/Masters to train his mind with their expert guidance. He would then learn a deep understanding of all the creatures, and their history so could full empathise with them. He would be in relative sensory deprivation so would come out hyper sensitive to his environment. He would age in a similar manner to Elva as he would feel the suffering of war for 10yrs longer than anyone else. At the completion of the trip his energy would be drained (having consumed 10yrs worth of it), uncoordinated (having not been connected to a real time environment for 10yrs). He would have sacrificed his youth for the greater good. He would have then been in a much better position to cast an Empathy spell. He would then have had the maturity to lead the new rider order and rehabilitate the broken dragon Eldunari. He could have show Arya empathy not lust. The roles could even have been reversed as Eragon would understand Arya was an Elf so could be his mate for 10 or 100 yrs but would eventually leave which would destroy him. Out of Eragon's desire to save Arya this fate he would try to stop their relationship from growing. Arya then gets her green dragon, becomes more dragon than elf ensuring they are finally suited to each other so can depart together. Similarly his relationship with Elva would mature. She would feel his pains (10yrs war, lost love) and realise he has suffered far more than her. He would also be in a position to treat Elva as his daughter and help numb her pain after Galbatorix downfall. The Menoa tree wish could also feed into this if the tree gave Eragon empathy for plants, a feeling which would grow with time so on return from Vroengard he would feel plants like Linnea (making him more Elf than and Elf) similarly in his hypersensitive state may feel rock like a Dwarf (he already feel life in all places during his final training with Oromis). Thus positioning him to eventually take on his final role of watching the watcher and avoiding a repeat of the earlier riders downfall.
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November 13th, 2012, 10:34 am |
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gomenesigh
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Though you have some good points, I have to disagree with you.
First off: CP did not let Arya and Eragon stay together for a reason. They had a moment at the end to ensure the relationship fans that there was something there but there are more important things each of them has to do. Arya is going to stay with her people. Eragon is going to find a new home for Riders to train. Though I did not like Eragon leaving simply because I want to know what is beyond Alagaesia, it is not a bad decision for him to. All the reasons he listed in the book are good ones.
Although your idea for the slowing down time thing is interesting it would hard to put into a book. If he sped through it people would be dissatisfied with whatever information was left out of the book, if it was stretched out and everything was put in then people would get bored and not enjoy it as much. But, isn't that the entire point of the time in between when he leaves and when the new Dragon Riders will appear? You say it is also how he will understand war and go through the pain of it but I don't think that's necessary. And for the rest of them, it's not like the new Riders are going to show up as soon as he gets settled. I think he will have more than enough time to harness his skills and his mind before people are even picked.
The Elva situation is assuming a lot. Elva might know that he went through the time lapse and Eragon might change but you can't assume that she will accept him just because he used magic to better himself. I honestly don't think any amount of time will make her completely forgive him (Also, he isn't really sacrificing his youth by stopping for 10 years. He will be young for a long time and he was an adult at the time you are speaking of.)
It is also assuming a lot from the Menoa Tree. She was pretty displeased with him during that entire conversation. I don't think she would give him an ability much like what the original elf had.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I agree with gomenesigh. There were many valid reasons that Eragon and Arya could not be together it would not be good if he had had them get together and as for leaving (because people are mad about that for some reason), it was the only solution there was no alternative.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I'm not understanding the whole "slowing time" thing. How would that have helped him be better prepared to cast the empathy spell? I have to say, he did a pretty good job of it the first go round. It accomplished what he was after, didn't it?
I agree with gome, you're assuming that the eggs will start hatching immediately and he won't have any down time to pursue his own training. Even if that were true, the new Rider and dragon wouldn't be sent to Eragon for training until Arya was confident they could survive the trip. Remember, the new Pairs will be trained in Ellesmera by her, Firnen, and the elves at first, then sent to Eragon.
And while I think the idea of the Menoa tree giving Eragon an ability like that would be really cool, we already know that the only thing she gave him was the brightsteel from under her roots. What we don't know is what did she take?
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
We also can't assume that the other races would give away their rider as soon as the dragon hatched for them. I'm sure the Urgals and Dwarfs would have special things they would want to teach them before the elves get a chance to and depending on how far away Eragon will be going (I'm assuming it is going to be a pretty far distance), the dragons will probably have to be raised enough so they can fly with their Riders and all the trips themselves will take a long time. I think that is plenty of time for Eragon to learn and if it isn't, well it's such a new 'program' I'm sure he would be learning things just as the new Riders will.
It would be interesting if she did take some kind of ability like that. Something that would make Eragon work harder or maybe she just took something that would remind her of being human that Eragon obviously hasn't missed. Did CP never reveal in an interview or anything what it was?
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
No, he only ever said "No comment" whenever someone would ask him about it. I have my own suspicions about what she took, but they're really silly, so I'm not going to say what they are. XD
Yeah, because Saphira was really only strong enough and comfortable enough carrying Eragon when she was about four months old. (If I do my math right, that's sounds about correct for the time they were on the road before Daret, 'cause she was only like 2 months old when the Ra'zac attacked his home.)
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
gomenesigh wrote: Arya is going to stay with her people. Eragon is going to find a new home for Riders to train. Indeed that is how Christopher Paolini actually finished writing the series, but not as it was initially planned. We differ on which we prefer. gomenesigh wrote: it is not a bad decision for him to. All the reasons he listed in the book are good ones. With the initially planned ending yes but not as it was modified so Murtagh lives and Arya stays behind. With this ending his argument that he has become too powerful and will eventually miss use his power makes no sense. Murtagh knows the word. Arya is almost certainly a more powerful rider than him. gomenesigh wrote: Although your idea for the slowing down time thing is interesting it would hard to put into a book. If he sped through it people would be dissatisfied with whatever information was left out of the book, if it was stretched out and everything was put in then people would get bored and not enjoy it as much.... You say it is also how he will understand war and go through the pain of it but I don't think that's necessary. Eragon could experience about a day for each flap Saphira’s wings. Spending time with each of his tutors and getting to know them as individuals, learning from their experiences. Learning about the creatures of Alagaësia as the Eldunarí have for the past 100 years in the vault of souls. A process I assume would be similar to opening his mind on the stump in the glade he started to learn with Oromis. (Doing so in a war ravaged country for 10 years is going to take his innocence of youth. He would experiencing a fair amount of the pain he later gives to Galbatorix with his empathy spell). He would learn to fluently speak all the major languages used in Alagaësia including the dragon’s native tongue. Enabling him to truly learn from Valdr and later to be instrumental in rehabilitating the Eldunarí broken by Galbatorix. You are correct the book would need only 10 pages or so with each of his teacher to introduce their personalities and major lessons. Illustrating Eragons changing views and mental abilities (mentally fend off/attacking one/multiple Eldunarí, empathy for more peoples and creatures, elf nature and ultimate doom of a riders love for one, that his love for Arya has continued to grow over the 10 year journey and in fact he needs it to maintain his sanity and fight against Galbatorix). The essence of this approach is Eragon actively learning for as long as any normal rider should rather than the passive learning Christopher Paolini used. After which the reader would feel Eragon was a changed person, enabling Eragon to be more mature at the conclusion of the series. There would be many ways to illustrate the change on Eragon's return. One possibility is to have Arya bring his needed sustenance on return and find him apparently singing to the life by a creek as the elves would, but then to realise he is singing with not to the creatures and so surpassing the eves ways. Once restored Eragon could attempt the Rimgar, initially failing the lower levels then displaying grace in the later levels as his mind reconnects with his body. As a twist Eragon could maintain 6 independent spells controlling 6 tiny drops of water as he trains himself, a fact Arya notices late in the exercise. It would be good to see Islanzadí greet Eragon on return with Eragon initiating it but after their meeting Islanzadí realising her mistake and take the submissive role. Eragon would always take the submissive role with Arya as she holds his heart, a fact which would confuse Arya as she would now feel in he far surpasses her. Orik would think him mad for feeling the emotions of and individual plant but would change his mind when Eragon demonstrated his feeling for rocks when addressing him. Perhaps by describing the dwarf sleeping location and battle plan in terms of rock formations and feel not normal geographic location in the native dwarf language. gomenesigh wrote: But, isn't that the entire point of the time in between when he leaves and when the new Dragon Riders will appear?... And for the rest of them, it's not like the new Riders are going to show up as soon as he gets settled. I think he will have more than enough time to harness his skills and his mind before people are even picked. Fírnen has already hatched. Eragon is nowhere near ready to teach Arya anything. Galbatorix had 100 Eldunarí all of which need rehabilitation. He is nowhere near ready to lead this which he should be as leader or the riders. New rides were initially trained by more experienced riders not their own race because only the older riders understood the real responsibility of being a rider and could guard against abuse of power and the danger unique to being a rider. Eragon needs to be ready to train a new rider the moment any new link forms. gomenesigh wrote: The Elva situation is assuming a lot. Elva might know that he went through the time lapse and Eragon might change but you can't assume that she will accept him just because he used magic to better himself. I honestly don't think any amount of time will make her completely forgive him (Also, he isn't really sacrificing his youth by stopping for 10 years. Elva would know the moment she encounters him that he had suffered far more than her just by feeling the depth of his pain. Eragon would in turn would truly be able to empathise with her and accept her for what she is. He would realise she is his creation and in a sense his child. He could then care for her as his child, reducing her pain as any parent would wish to do. gomenesigh wrote: It is also assuming a lot from the Menoa Tree. She was pretty displeased with him during that entire conversation. I don't think she would give him an ability much like what the original elf had. Take independence vs giving empathy / responsibility; there is not a lot of difference. It would be an excellent way for the tree to protect its fellows. Having one of the most powerful beings in Alagaësia truly understand and thus be responsible for the plants would have been a very smart move by Linnëa. As for it being too generous, I don't think Galbatorix felt that way after Eragon did the same thing to him.
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November 26th, 2012, 12:06 pm |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I've never read or heard about or know in depth this "initially planned ending" so the ending is fine for me. If you took the extra mile and went out to find that he had originally planned something else (Which artists do all the time) then that is your fault. Without comparing it to something that he decided not to use then it is a good ending.
I like Murtagh. He is my favorite character and I'm glad he wasn't killed and there is nothing wrong with letting him live. By the end of the book he was changed and was taking time for himself to figure everything out (And supposedly changing for the better). He is going away from Alagaesia so whatever happens will not affect anyone there. Arya is staying behind of her own decision (Yeah, it was CP's but from a character's POV). Her mother died and she is a powerful leader.
Your explanation doesn't change the fact that there is not really a point to the slowing down time and from that explanation I don't even know where you would want it to be. As I said before, people are going to be upset with the lack of info given on what he learned or get bored with too much. I understand what the slowing down time would be. It just isn't a realistic good idea for a book. Eragon did a fine job with the spell he used on Galby. He suffered, he died. There's not much else he would have needed to do. You're also assuming that the dragons would teach him these things. I for one do not think they would teach him their native language. They might not be fluent enough in Dwarvish or the Urgal language to teach him anyways. You're explanation on his 'return' doesn't really make sense to me either. I also don't think Islanzadi would ever take the submissive role. As a queen that would show weakness.
Arya being a rider has nothing to do with his training. Eragon has left. Arya is staying. That is not going to change. Arya has Eldunari who will train her. It will not be Eragon. She has just as much to learn to help train the new Riders when they come. Eragon still has plenty of time to accomplish a good amount of training. If he used that slow time whatever he would have even more so if a dragon did hatch soon, he could turn many many months of waiting for the Rider into many many years.
Elva would know, sure. But you are assuming that she will care. She experiences people getting mortally wounded, going through immense pain but she does not care at all. Eragon may "go through the years of war" with the pain or whatever but he will also learn to accept those things and have them under control. Elva (In my opinion) would not accept him as a friend or father figure ever. Just as I said before.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
gomenesigh wrote: I've never read or heard about or know in depth this "initially planned ending" so the ending is fine for me.. http://shurtugal.com/2011/12/10/first-p ... -and-more/Mike Macauley: Did you always plan to end the series the way you did, with Eragon leaving Alagaesia with Saphira and Arya staying behind? Christopher Paolini: The ending evolved as I wrote the story. Originally, Eragon and Arya were to leave together, Roran was going to become king, and Queen Islanzadí — well, at first I was going to kill her, then I decided to let her live, and then I decided that if Arya was to stay, Islanzadí had to die after all. .... Christopher Paolini: Originally, my idea was that Eragon’s exposure to the Eldunarí in Vroengard would mature him so quickly (sort of like what happened to him physically during the Blood-oath Celebration) that when he returned, Arya would see that he was now grown up and would be willing to have a relationship with him. However, doing that was too big a shift in Eragon’s character.
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November 26th, 2012, 11:57 pm |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
If it was not blatantly obvious in my post. I do not want to read his idea. I like the way the book ended and I don't want it ruined.
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November 27th, 2012, 2:25 am |
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Either way those quotes just reinforced why the ending he eventually went with was the better ending.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I don't like how everything went rather perfectly just for that downer ending. Sure there are "reasons" canonically, but there's no good reason why it was written like that. They seem less like "reasons" and more like "excuses" for the ending to be like that.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
The loose ends were very irksome. Like Patch said, he could have brought far more closure and still had enough material to write in the coming years. That said, I thought Eragon and Arya separating (for the time being) was the right thing as long as it's only for the time being. It would make no sense if they didn't see or talk to each other again given their positions as friends, teachers and dragon riders. Becoming romantically involved is just a matter of time. I say this because sharing true names is a very rare practice and I can't see Eragon or Arya wanting to be with anyone they can't do this with. Also Arya's role as Queen and a dragon rider is at best a temporary situation. Eventually, the Riders will be able to stand on their own and they were never meant to be rulers.
Eragon leaving Alagaesia because he became too powerful made perfect sense. Yes, Murtagh and Arya know the true name of the ancient language as well however unlike Eragon, they don't have near the influence he does over the humans and dwarves. And after killing Galbatorix, even the elves and the urgals in general treat Eragon with a sense of awe. Like he said, as long as he was there everyone else's authority would always be in doubt including Arya's. And Patch, Eragon is the more powerful Rider. Paolini himself stated that even without their dragons or any other external means of power, it would be close (with Arya) but the stronger one would be Eragon. With the eldunari, Eragon according to Paolini left three with Arya but he has the rest. The Vault of Souls and Galbatorix's. He was actually even more powerful than Galbatorix at the height of his power. As for experience and knowledge? Yes, at the end of Inheritance, there's nothing Eragon can teach Arya about swordmanship and magic, she would beat him in any test about science, history, math, etc. However, in time Eragon will catch up because he will also have decades and eventually centuries to learn as well. In the end, it will balance itself out.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
eragon dream in the first book two people together leaving and one person behind there one person stand and shout ı thought was eragon and arya leave together but she turn back and like eragon its hurt my hearth he is not alone some elf,eldunari and shapria go with him but ı wanted arya go with him to.I hope cp write another book about alagesia so many things is still unknown.And sorry my terrible english
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
we want fifth book
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
He may write more books (it may have even been confirmed that he will later in the future) but nothing will change between Eragon and Arya from how things ended in the book. They will always be apart. They will have contact I'm sure but Eragon chose to leave and Arya to stay and chose for reasons more important than their relationship.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
gomenesigh wrote: He may write more books (it may have even been confirmed that he will later in the future) but nothing will change between Eragon and Arya from how things ended in the book. They will always be apart. They will have contact I'm sure but Eragon chose to leave and Arya to stay and chose for reasons more important than their relationship. It has been confirmed that Paolini will write a fifth book and that things will change between Eragon and Arya in the future. In his words, they're "far from over."
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
What's most irksome is the fact that he left just about everything hanging and unfinished! Plus he's gonna take a break! Not cool! Who knows when next we will see eragon?!?! It could be ten years for all we know!! That's frustrating to say the least.
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
I didn't like that eragon and Arya didn't get their happy ending ❤️
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Just becasue no one but Shade as mentioned the short comings of this book.
1: Eragon became an arrogant, impatiant, brat who thinks he's better than everyone, which didn't go along with his personality in the last three books, nor did Paloini explain why his personality became this way.
2: The ending wasn't only a rip off of LoTR, but a terrible one at that.
3. The Varden dominated every battle. Yes, in all books the goodguys win, but Paloni could have at least made it so the Empire stood a chance against the Varden or make it appear that the Varden is going to lose. But what does he do? He makes the Varden win and dominate every battle. The empire didn't even win a skirmis! That's not how wars work, and it makes for poor writing when the good guys dominate the bad guys and don't even make it appear the bad guys will win.
4. The elves. I don't recall a single elf dying outside the battle of Uru'baen. Can you saw over powered? The elves are way to powerful, they're pretty much demi RP gods. I mean seriously, how they did they take Gli'heal or whatever it's called without a single loss?
5. All the filler information that didn't need to be there. Some was interesting, most was just borning and waisted time. The books easily could have been 3 insted of if the filler information was taken out of book 3 and 4. None of it added to the plot, and little added to the characters.
6. The werecats. This goes along with the filler information. There was no point for the werecat nation to make an appearance. They only contributed to the Varden's overpowered armies. They didn't add anything important to the plot or advance the story. Sure, Solombum is important, bbut he simply could have mentioned where werecats came from insted of their entire nation to show up and only add to the Varden's RP god status.
7. The dragon killing spear litteraly fell from the sky. I take it Paloni couldn't think of anything more interesting than that? Not to mention it's jsut an execuse for a more easier defeat of the empire.
8. That it took so long to get the third dragon egg. It would have been more interesting if they nroke into the castle and stole the third dragon egg. Though it would have added more to the Varden's overpowered ness, that could easily be resolved by taking out the werecat nation and making the elves be mere mortals and not over powered demi gods.
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F-14 Ace
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
Honestly, I was never interested in the romance enough to be disappointed by the fact that Eragon and Arya didn't end up together. I never really liked Arya that much. Or any of the other elves for that matter. Bunch of self-righteous freaks.
My biggest problems were as follows:
1: Eragon leaving at the end. He left because Angela's prophesy said so, basically. That was dumb. Oh wait, he wanted to find a suitable place to rebuild the Riders. Because apparently Alagaesia has a shortage of isolated, remote places like enchanted forests and huge mountain ranges.
2. I agree with DD that the Varden was seriously overpowered and that the werecats were a waste of time.
3. The Vault of Souls felt like a major cop-out. And also, why was it just eldunari and eggs? Why didn't the old Riders find some way to put an adult dragon in there? They could use some kind of spell to put the dragon to sleep until the vault is opened or something. I mean, assuming that no adult dragons survived outside the vault, who's gonna take care of all those hatchlings?
4. Arya killing Shruikan with the magic spear thingy. She drove it through his eye if I remember correctly. Problem is, given how massive the book describes him as being, sticking a spear in his eye would be like sticking a thumb tack in your eye. I simply don't see how that could kill a dragon Shruikan's size. It would certainly hurt but would otherwise just piss him off even more.
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November 17th, 2013, 4:54 am |
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Saphirarox
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Re: You finished the book. What irked you the most?
1. Sure there are lots of isolated places in Alagaesia, but he wanted to get as far away as possible to keep the hatchlings from wandering into populated territory for as long as possible. I can't remember all of the specific details why, but one of the main ones (which was pretty minor compared to the problems he faced in the books) was that he didn't want them to hunt domestic flocks and anger people.
2. No comment, but I thought the werecats were great. I'm not gonna rag on him for bringing them in XD
3. I'm gonna assume that even when sleeping an adult dragon would put out a large energy/life-force signature. Galby or a Forsworn would have been able to detect that signature during the battle over Doru Araeba.
4. The spear went through his eye and pierced his brain. It's kind of like what happens when someone breaks a person's nose and drives the cartilage upwards.
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