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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
No offense, but it gets on my nerves when people talk like that-Like they know what's going to happen in the next book. There's no way we can be a hundred percent sure about anything that's going to happen, and you don't even offer any support for your words. You say "There MUST be a way for Eragon to get around the problem of his energy being drained when he raises the dead." and "I am not going to change my mind, Eragon can raise the dead." Why are you so certain of this?

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
The whole souls part is one thing about raising the dead. But then there is the question of in this series, is that what a person really is? Just the empty shell of their body and a soul? And would that be all there is to doing it? Would he not have to restart his heart or repair the damaged cells in his body or any of the other anatomical things that would be required to make a body function again. Would it really be as simple as finding the soul and poof the person is all better? Also with finding the soul if they are all just floating around in one big empty spot that poses an extremely huge problem as well. That would probably mean that everything that has ever died, plants, bugs, humans, dwarfs, elves and every living creature would all be in that same place. Hundreds of millions of souls. Assuming that it is believed that every living thing has a soul and not just the humans, elves, dwarfs, and urgals do. That in itself could kill him if he even had a way of controlling his energy so it would not all disperse as soon as he reached into the realm of the dead.

And actually. Eragon can not raise the dead. He has not before or has even considered doing it.. So how is he able to do it now? It still makes no sense how he will ever have enough energy. Just the energy from his surroundings, even if he went somewhere full of life would never be enough. And I doubt there is anyone who would risk their lives to help Eragon when there is almost a 0% success chance.

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I just think he can raise the dead, there's not much proof behind it and that your probably right but there's a chance that Eragon can raise the dead... a very small chance that he can raise the dead.

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
And there's absoutely nothing wrong with that, Imp. Like Gomen said, none of us are the author and none of know what he's planning, even considering his track record because people are likely to change at any second and alter the story however they want to.


There are a few reasons that CP might take it that direction, actually. Not actual proof, but reasons that it might be seen as a good idea :)

For one thing, being able to raise the dead would add even more complication, emotional and otherwise, to the story. For exactly the reasons mentioned earlier, if Eragon can raise the dead people will see him as some sort of god or could hate him for being able to decide who gets brought back to life and who doesn't.
Also, what if he knew that raising one person from the dead would kill him? What if he wound up in a situation where it was save himself, or save someone else? I don't think he'd do it to Saphira (Because he knows what that would do to her) but it would create such an emotional conflict that it could make for a great ending.


There's nothing wrong with believing that Eragon could raise the dead; after all, there is always a chance. :D (And it would be cool in a more than slightly epic way, providing lots of fanfic chances)


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It would also add a bit of a twist into the book.

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
If Eragon could raise the dead, what would stop him from putting a ward on a piece of jewelry like Aren, that has energy in it, to automatically bring himself back? That would destroy the story, practically making him fully immortal, not the vulnerable immortal he is right now. He would just fight Galby until he was killed, wait a second for the ward to activate, and go at him again until Galby died or ran out of any significant amounts of energy.

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I don't know but something tells me he can raise the dead, even if everything tells me he can't.

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
But what is this something? It goes against every thing that has been said in the books. And it goes against all sense of logic as well.

Eragon might be the only free rider right now, but he is not special! He is just one out of many riders that has lived. Why would he of all people be granted the power of a God? Why would he be granted the gift of life and death?

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
Again, there's nothing to say that it would be just him. It has nothing to do with how special or not special he is or isn't, it's just whether he of many people would ever be able to. It's also not a question of whether he should be able to raise the dead. Or how long it would take him to learn how. Just, could he.

Although actually with the way it's written, it's can he...as in...right now...which would probably be a "No"...don't really know, as he hasn't really tried it yet...but still
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In the books Eragon probably will not raise the dead, but I want to see him raise the dead.

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Yeah I'd like to see him make an attempt at it and then epic fail...that'd be awesome if his head gets a bit too inflated and he tries that, then suddenly he's got basically a zombie army that's destroying everything...*cackles horribly*


There probably are people in Alagaesia who can do it, and Eragon would have to find them if he was going to attempt to learn how. There's most likely to be a set of words that can reverse death. It's mainly a matter of knowing the pros and cons of even trying to though.


(I personally believe that it would be an act of great evil on the part of Eragon to rip someone from their afterlife...but that's just me so...)


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Eragon probably will not raise the dead - because he probably can't - but I reall want to see him do it!

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Personally I think it's far more likely that a dragon (Saphira, Thorn) might succeed at bringing someone back from the dead, after all they're the ones who sometimes defy the laws of magic and around whom unusual things tend to occur. Though this has the problem that almost any event a dragon could experience in book 4, a dragon in the past probably would have experienced a similar event. This raises the question what would make the "new" dragons so special.

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Yeah. I think raising the dead might come up in book four, which'll be cool

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Magic don't hold the power of the dead. Simply because the dead don't exist any more. If you die, you are gone. Magic is for the living and lives it self on energy. You can't bring something back that doesn't exist.

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Sorry about the fact that the logic in the post relies upon A-level physics.

Technically all a "soul" physically is, is a specific arrangement of particles (ie: in the form of a human body, brain and so forth) and force carriers (ie: photons) all of which have their own specific position and momentum (speed, direction and energy (energy is related to mass (famous equation e=mc^2))). However it defies the laws of physics to accurately duplicate such a 'system'. This is because to duplicate such a system you would need to accurately know the location the position and momentum of every force carrier (iffy, i know) and particle. This is currently believed to be impossible due to the heisenberg uncertainty principle, which states that it is impossible to know exactly both an objects position and it's momentum at the same time, the more accurately you know one the more uncertain you are about the other. Hence you can't copy or re-create such a system or indeed a 'soul'. Having established that re-creating a soul (ie: bringing a person back to life) 'breaks' the laws of physics as we know them I can finally get to the point of this post.

In the books so far paolini has tried to ensure that magic obey's the laws of physics ie: conservation of energy. I faintly remember Paolini making reference to this fact in an old interview. (I would be grateful if anyone could find a quote for me) Having kept magic within the laws of physics in the books so far I don't think that he is going to violate them in the last book by allowing eragon to raise the dead.

I am sorry in anything in this post offends anyone, the reference to souls earlier strictly applies on only a physical level I make no reference anywhere to what souls are spiritually.

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That is a good point. Another point is: Why would someone die in the last book just to come back? They could just stay alive and not waste time in the books. If someone died, there would be spent time being remorseful, there would have to be some kind of funeral, and so on. Then there would be at least one, probably more of just trying to find a way to raise the dead, and then even more time actually doing it and finding the power to accomplish this. In all, it's just a waste of time that could better be used trying to defeat the main threat in the series.

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So does this mean the fact if Eragon went raise the dead, he'll still get his energy drained out of him as a lot of people said earlier.

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it means for anything to have enough information to raise the dead it 'would ' have to defy the laws of physics

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Well, as hinted to by Umaroth when Eragon visited Brom's tomb, it may be possible to bring back those who recently died, as Brom was preserved in the diamond, and that kept him from degrading. I think it would take many Eldunari, and would be limited to those who just died, but it may be possible.

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I'm now thinking that it might be vaguely possible, if one looks at the Shades. Feel free to eat me for lunch if I've gotten my details wrong, but isn't the act of conjuring a Shade sort of like making a new life? I'm not a hundred percent on it, seeing as how it has been quite some time since I read the books (It shall soon be amended; the library recently got new copies) so I'm not sure if the Shades already exist, perhaps in another realm or dimension, and are simply transfered through magic into the physical world that the IC characters inhabit, or if the magic actually creates the Shade/puts the Shade into a body that was previously dead/puts the Shade into a body in general.

But it seems to me that, if they do actually create the Shade, and that Shade is made from nothing but magic, made from scratch, then it would be almost easy, by comparison, to to already have a soul/body to work with in bringing back someone who died very recently, depending on how death works in CP's story. Not sure if he goes by the general law that you still hang about for around seven minutes after death...

Although, even if the Shades aren't made from scratch, they're still pulled from elsewhere, if I remember correctly (they aren't born as Shades, yes? It seems like in book one there was a section with Durza that suggested that he used to be human...) And, if magic can pull a soul from elsewhere, warp it into something different, and then put it where desired, then it kind of stands to reason that, with Dragonriders at least, they would be able to use a very powerful magic to pull the soul from the Eldunari and place it back into the body that it came from.

It's impossible to know for certain, though, since CP hasn't really mentioned anything about anyone trying to do such a thing, so one can only assume that it would take an extraordinary amount of power, more than that of any single person, to do such a thing.

Which would mean that, depending on the fuller laws of CP's universe; no, Eragon can't raise the dead. With help, he might. With several Eldunari at his disposal, perhaps he could. Would he waste the energy on it, however, only to know that the person in question would just die again? That mostly depends.


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Remember the "spirits" that Eragon and Arya encountered in Brisingr? A Shade is created when a sorcerer (a magician who uses those "spirits" to accomplish their will) summons "spirits" that are stronger than they are. Out of anger and revenge, the "spirits" turn on the sorcerer that was trying to imprison them, thus creating a Shade.

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But I doubt that he would raise Brom from the dead. He can't go back to Alagaesia.

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He wouldn't even if he did. He's accepted the fact that his dad is dead and he'll never get to talk to him father-to-son.

And don't skewer me for saying this, but I'm not convinced it could be done even if the Eldunari and dragons helped. That's my opinion and nothing is gonna change it.

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I agree, He could probably make Brom's body have some sort of life, but not ever like Brom's old self.

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That's what Umaroth and everyone else told him, which was, in the end, one of the major reasons he didn't attempt it.

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Which makes me wonder, If the person had just recently died (I.E. <24 hours ago) would they be able to be brought back by magic? I'm thinking that they could, even if they just used magic to attach a spell that made the heart pump. Or just zapped them, lol.

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CP normally tries to keep magic within realms that are easily believable, and with that in mind, a body starts decomposing the moment the blood stops pumping. Brom was dead and some-what exposed to the elements for almost 24 hours, so after that I don't think his body would be able to be healed.

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Thats probably why CP didn't have Brom brought back.

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I read kind of in a hurry and for all I'm worth I cannot recall if the seven words Brom told Eragon came up. That's what happens when you skim instead of reading. Then I had to hand the book over to Marie...God knows when I'll have it back :roll: in my hands.
Can anyone verify or help me out?

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
This actually just hit me last night, but no, they weren't mentioned. But CP mentioned them in passing on his Twitter last night...

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
I wonder if he didn't put it in the last book for a reason? Do you remember what the twitter said?

On raising the dead, I still don't think it would be possible. They would have to do it right after the person died or it wouldn't be effective and even then. To make a reference to the Harry Potter series, if you remember when they talk about the Deathly Hallows and the stone that can bring back the dead. I think even in Eragon that is what would happen to someone. You can bring back the body but there are many elements of the mind that cannot be brought back or things that would always just be... different. Another reference if you ever read the Artemis Fowl series (When they brought Butler back.)

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@InheritanceCP: Mike and I discussed lots of things, including the end of Inheritance, Brom's seven words, Roran, Nasuada, and much more. Hope you enjoy.


There, that's the whole tweet right there. The Mike he mentions is of course Mike from Shur'tugal. So if you want to know more about the words, check out the interview the two of them did. It's not up yet though, they mentioned it not being up until sometime next week. (Or it could be up and I just don't know it.)

And to stay on topic...

Eragon can't raise the dead.

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Raising the dead might kill Eragon but if CP does decide to make him do it, it'll certainly be an interesting turn.

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
Well like I said before and like the dragons told Eragon, there would really be no point because they have no way of restoring the mind of the people they bring back. They would just be a walking corpse pretty much or be in an almost catatonic or vegetable state; Or they just come back different then how they were before and then the whole point of bringing them back is again, pointless.

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maybe cp'll make eragon raise the and kill him.

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
Imp, have you not read the book yet? :)

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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
I personally think he could for two reasons.
1. In the book when he knew the name of names and returned to brom's tomb he was talking with the eldunari or saphira or one of the dragon's about this idea he had and they told him it might be a bad idea because the brain could be messed up and he wouldnt to have to live with him being like that.
2. While it might take all of his energy to bring someone back to life he has the ability to draw from his surrondings. And theorecticly he could drain the area around him of life to bring some one back to life.


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Well Book 4 is released now - so all our questions will be answered :D .

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no not really :p

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CP is planning on writing new books set in Alagaesia, so, maybe then...


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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
I don't think it's ever going to happen. Eragon is the most knowledgeable at this point (and I believe someone said that the new series or book would not be based around him) and everything is really up to the Eldunari since that is where the energy and power would have to come from them and I don't think that is something that they would want to risk. If they did, it wouldn't be someone that they wanted to bring back.

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not if Valdr is there
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Post Re: Can Eragon raise the dead?
If he could with his knowledge, then Galbatorix could have as well, and he didn't. If he could, he would have resurrected the Riders and bound them under his control, but, obviously, that wasn't the case.

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