yes i know that the dragon/rider spell(which oromis or some other elf said made them immortal) has had longer to work on the elves but rhourn(or whatever the sword makers name is) made Eragonn1's sword along with all of the others, which means that she is older than the spell. so why is it that humans that were alive when the humans were added are now dead?

gleadr or oromis say that humans have began to regress to being more barbaric with the decline of the dragons. but that is all we know of an the spell changing humans

rhourn is proof that the spell works fairly fast. so why arent humans immortal???

I'm stumped also. I hope someone who has read the books recently posts.

Maybe elves, like dwarves, lived longer than most humans to start with, before the spell. And humans were added afterward and were not part of the original enchantment, so it will probably take longer to work on them.

i thought about all of that but i dont think it would take longer for the spell to work on humans than elves(some elf oromis i think said that before the spell they had the life spans of humans) so that wouldnt work. maby this is just a thing C.P. didnt think about.........

Welll, it could also be the fact that in the original enchantment ALL elves were involved. Once the spell was cast, they probably didn't need as many humans to add them to it, so it's taking longer on them, since their entire race wasn't used for the second layer spell. And for all we know, it didn't immediately work on all of the elves. If you remember, in Brisingr, Rhunon said she was one of the few still alive that were alive before the Riders were established.

EXACTLY she was alive before the riders. also since the structure of the spell was already there they wouldnt need as much energy.

That's what I just said.... Since not all of the humans were needed, or used, in the spell, it's taking longer to work on them. See, all of the elves were used in the spell, and the spell worked practically instantaneously on them. But when the humans were added, they probably only used just enough human magicians to add them to the spell. Since not every single human in Alagaesia was used, the magic is taking longer to permeate the human race, and the Fall has also caused them to regress. (Oromis told Eragon that in Eldest.)

since the fall has caused them to regress why havent the elves?

They have, they're not as powerful as they used to be. And where they used to have few children, now they're having even less.

does it even say that humans added themselves to the spell? i thought the elves added them.

It was a joint effort.

okay.


i still think it was a oversight on C.P.s part

Lol, well, we won't know for certain until Book 4 comes out, now will we?

I think it's some sort of plot twist or something. It just lays there all innocent like, and most people wouldn't even notice it until he chooses for them to. Lol, jk

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but one thing is for sure...it's because not all of the humans were involved.

would you put your life on that(just to see how sure you are)?

*thinks about it* Yeah, I would.

techncally you are dead now.

proof:
not all elves were partisapating in the spell because not elves can use magic

Maybe the elves that couldn't use magic provided the elves essence, much like the dragons provided the energy and strength for the spell. Either way, all elves would have been needed for the original spell for it to work so quickly. And another thing, if it hadn't worked so quickly on them, they would have ended up fighting with the dragons again before long. They needed a fast way to bond their two races so they could avoid fighting, because if another war had broken out between them, it would have destroyed them. Therefore, to make sure it worked fast enough, all the elves were involved.

When humans were added to the spell, it was to keep another incident like King Palancar from happening, so they weren't in as big a hurry as the elves were with the original enchantment. They didn't need it to work fast, like with the elves, so they only used enough people (humans) to have them added.

that is a very well thought out theory and im not sure to much thinking and research for me

WTH do you even read before you post. Seriously can your next post be more than a sentence or as in this case "I am posting to tell you that I like this theory for no apparent reason and I can't be bothered to actually contribute anything to the thread" Please actually say something next time you post.

P.S Srry for the flame but someone had to. though thinking about it, it should have probably been a mod. Oh well.


On topic: It's a shame we don't know more about the original spell because if we did it would be really simple to figure out why the humans aren't immortal yet. I recall Glaedr saying that humans are more civilised than when they first landed on Alagaesia and him mentioning that humans had regressed since the fall of the dragons.

Yeah, that would definitely help, lol. Although I'm not to optimistic that CP is going to tell us the words or whatever, not unless they add dwarves to it...hmmm....

Think happy thoughts ac.


Actually, Glaedr said that all of the races of Alagaesia have been on the decline since the Fall. The elves and humans have been hit worse, since their races were actually...*thinking of a word*...intertwined with the dragons. And since the dragons were all but obliterated, they've declined really bad and really fast.

sorry its just that i dont like wordy paraghraphs. Except Inheritence cycle....thats and exception.

short sweet and to the point.

Lol, yeah, but it makes it really hard to understand what you mean. And it's more interesting to read a long post, because it has detail.


Back on topic....

if this was already posted sorry but wasnt the spell made before the humans were in alagaesia?

Yes, humans were added after the original spell was cast.

well then im stumped about this two

Lol, well, I have some theories posted in this topic. Why don't you read them and then think about it, lol?

ok ill be sure too

even before the spell the elves still lived a fairly long time and have longer for the spell to affect them personally before they die and and become immortal. Humans die to quickly to become immortal

human riders are immortal.

yes only the riders even non rider elves are immortal

humans do have a reasomably long life but the elves make it look like they hardly live at all

The reason the elves gained their immortality and magical power from the bond with the dragons is becuase they alsong side the dragons made the bond. The elves and the dragons are the soul and heart of the bond.
They where linked through the bound.

The humans was only an add on to the spell and will therefore not have the same effect.

//The Librarian

The time doesn't matter for the humans. If so it would have affected all humans and not only the riders. As I've said, the humans are only an add. The dragons and elves are linked/bound through the spell. They are the core, the power and the spell.

I guess that makes sense. Of course, I think that all three races are suffering due to the dragon's danger to becoming extinct and all. But Elves were essentially humans originally. But yeah, I guess since they got added on, they didn't receive the same amount of evolution that the Elves did.

The elves has always been elves. They weren't humans before.
They originally came from Alalëa and was like the humans immortal, but was already then gifted with magic far exceeding the other races. But they where elves. The same look as they have now.

They made the mistake of thinking that the dragons where mere animals and after that an elf killed one they started a war that would kill both races if it didn't end. Thus they made a pact. Something to keep the peace in Alagaësia.

The elves and the dragons are the core and the power of the spell. Of the riders. The humans are nothing but an add that grants a dragon egg to hatch for one. The humans has nothing to do with the elves, the dragons, the spell or the riders per say. They are an add. Only a side part.

I already know that. I didn't stated otherwise.
It was the bound with the dragons that granted the elves their strength, speed, immortality and stronger magic. But they where already before known as being fair and having stronger magic. It was therefore they could challenge the dragons. Arrows alone would never suffice.

It's a definition of immortality. They can outlive thousands of generations. In the eyes of a human they are immortal when it comes to age.
As far as what CP has said, no elf has died by age ever since the bounding with the dragons.


You are incorrect. It's not about power at all. And not about nature either.
The elves are immortal due to the bound with the dragons. When the elves and dragons bounded the elves where granted immortality and the dragons where granted the gift of speech. As it was told.

The dragons where already immortal before the bound so the reason that a human rider becomes immortal is because he bounds with his/her dragon. Yet again as it was told. And after a time the human riders even started to look more elf like due to that the dragons are bounded with the elves.

The humans don't do anything. They just gain power, magic and immortality from the bound. Elves<--->Dragons--->Humans

But when a human riders dragon dies, that human will lose his/her immortality. He/she will live longer than a normal human depending on how long he/her was bounded with the dragon.

Sorry D: The auto correct only manage spelling the words correct and not fixing the right word <__<



You said:
Being able to live that long is just an elf thing, not a rider thing. Human riders live that long because they are granted more powers and such that the elves have, which allow them to live longer.

And it was to that I answered by saying:
You are incorrect. It's not about power at all. And not about nature either.
The elves are immortal due to the bound with the dragons. When the elves and dragons bounded the elves where granted immortality and the dragons where granted the gift of speech. As it was told.

The dragons where already immortal before the bound so the reason that a human rider becomes immortal is because he bounds with his/her dragon. Yet again as it was told. And after a time the human riders even started to look more elf like due to that the dragons are bounded with the elves.

The rest was just background information for the actual topic.



If a Dragon Rider’s dragon dies, does the Dragon Rider remain immortal?
- Priffarandas

Christopher Paolini: If the Rider was an elf, then yes, since elves are functionally immortal anyway. If the Rider was a human, then no. He or she will experience a much longer lifespan than they normally would, but, in the end, they will age and die like everyone else. Brom, for example, was well over a hundred at the start of Eragon. He was far from decrepit, but his youth had long since deserted him.

http://shurtugal.com/interviews/monthly-qas-with-christopher-paolini/qa-with-christopher-paolini-may-2010/

I keep my self updated with the interviews <__<