Would the third dragon even hatch? I mean . . . its possible that it may stay in its egg. Or if worse comes to worse the egg could get squished.

WRONG!!!!! if that wuz true what is the green dragon on the cover?

well i dont know!!!! It was just a theory!!! it could happen! Just not a good possibility.

I believe this is one of the reasons this site exists; to share ideas and theories. Some may be on to something; others may be suppositions just to have a laugh and others may be ludicrous. But they are all part of having a good time.

So, maybe the egg is destroyed in the struggle! Only CP knows the final outcome.

I think that destroying of the last egg will succesfully solve problem with last dragon rider

Okay I was just joking!

That would be horrible no matter how you look at it. I really, truly believe Arya has won the right to that egg. Come on, let's give her the chance to find out!!!!

i think arya deserves some happyness. i think she would make a great rider. she's dedicated to making things better, and this is an awsome way to do that.

I totally agreed. She has done much to save the dragon's race. She even went against her mother's wishes and became the egg courier. Yes, I believe she deserves that egg.

Ayra won't be the next rider that is out of the question!!!

Not only did Saphira not choose her, but she is old!
Besides she needs to be with Eragon, to create conflict and "great romance".

Arya deserves that egg more than any one else! Age doesn't matter, look at Oromis!!! He was there during the Riders reign and he is a rider himself.

Actually Arya is 80 years older than when an elf was giving the chance to become a rider. Oromis is old but he was 20 when he got Glaedr. Also, the fact that Saphira didn't hatch for Arya dosen't mean she can't be a rider it just means Saphira was not suited for her. Arya will get Greenie for the fact she is the most logical choice. She already has extensive magical training and is a great fighter even among the elves. She also is friends with humans and some Dwarves, where as some elves are arrogant towards the other races. The fact is there is no other way for her to bring herself to love Eragon without Greenie. Saphira and Greenie will be a perfect match and then Arya will have no other reasons to continue to hide her feelings from Eragon. Plus, I figure Oromis will die in battle and then Arya takes up the mantle as the Rider for the Elves keeping the balance at 2 evil riders and 2 good ones. Any human who gets the egg will take over a year to train before they are ready to fight.

that's one of my points also.
she deserves the egg. she already knows more magic than eragon. she may be old compaired to eragon, but not as an elf. elves are imortal to all but poison and blades.
she is a fearce fighter. she know how to speak with her mind. there is even more. but she deserves it, and i hope cp sllows her this dragon.
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p.s. that's also true as to saphira not choosing her. they weren't ment to be joind. saphira was ment for eragon. so no mater who tuched her, she waited for him.

At last someone who agrees. You wouldn't belive how many people think that because of Saphira not hatching for her she isn't meant to be a rider.

The more I discuss this with my friends the more I wish Roran would be the next Rider, however, I am very well aware of how deserving Ayra is of the honor of being the one for whom the egg hatches.

Roran would be a cool choice, but I think he is more the likely the next King for the human race. Arya has already abdicated her inheritance as Queen of the Elves, so she is just the logical choice.

But wouldn't Nasuada be the Queen for the human race, even though she is the leader of the Varden?

She would be a good choice, but though I do belive she does have royal blood in her, though thats another story, she wouldn't want the job. She has already done enough ruling the varden and she hates it already. Roran would not want it, but he would be the perfect ruler for a new land. He inspires loyalty in people who dislike him. He is a great speaker and he does things noone could belive. I think when Surda's king dies she could take up the mantle there, but not the Empires throne.

Yes I totaly agree that Saphira chose Eragon because it was their dystany. Arya wasn't meant for Saphira. But like others have pointed out that dosn't mean Arya isn't a logical choice for greenie. She already knows more about magic then Eragon. She would not need much training at all.

Exactley what many folks including myself are trying to say. There is noone else really who could be the rider. Vanir could but then CP would have to right a backstory for him so thats kind of a waste. Humans and Dwarves are non-factors. That leaves just elves and the only elf suitable for the role of Rider is Arya.

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she wouldn't want the job. She has already done enough ruling the varden and she hates it already.
I disagree, The Varden means everything to Nasuada and that is confirmed by Eragon before he probes the Kull's mind; this was one of the reasons he accepted them to fight besides him.


Roran would not want it, but he would be the perfect ruler for a new land. He inspires loyalty in people who dislike him. He is a great speaker and he does things noone could belive.

I would like to know why do you think Roran would not accept being the ruler of Alagaësia? You have pointed out a couple of good reasons for why he would be a great candidate for the kingdom, but I am not understanding why he wouldn't want the honor.

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Yes I totaly agree that Saphira chose Eragon because it was their dystany. Arya wasn't meant for Saphira. But like others have pointed out that dosn't mean Arya isn't a logical choice for greenie. She already knows more about magic then Eragon. She would not need much training at all.

Ayra has given up so much to protect the dragons, therefore proving her devotion to them. I too believe the next dragon will hatch for her. I have a crazy belief that when she goes to help Eragon and Roran rescue Katrina, they will run into the remaining egg that is in Helgrind where no one can reach the top if not by flight. She will steal the egg and it will hatch for her. Come on now, she has really earned it through her deication , sacrifice and loyalty.

Nasuada is a good ruler, but she isn't a charasmatic leader that a country needs after a civil war. She is smart and knows how to run a country, which could leave her in line to take up the role of advisor. I do belive she has royal blood in her, but not from this land. She would have no right to claim the throne except as a conquering leader. Orrin would have a bigger claim, but I think he dies and Surda will be absorbed back in the Empire after Galbatorix's is defeated.

Roran is a General-King. He will be the first guy to charge into a battle, but he is not the smartest of all people. He can lead an army, but not a country. He would not want the role as king as he dosen't see himself as a leader. It took him forever to realize he was being looked at as the leader of Carvahall. He will take up the mantle as king though for the fact he most likely has royal blood in him as most do in Palancar Valley and like I said before he can inspire people to do great things. He will leave the adminstration to a better choice like Nasuada.

Everything you said about Arya is true and I agree 100%.

I am new to this forum and I am going to introduce myself soon.There is one more clue that Arya's going to be the next rider,because the dragon is green and no one has noticed that whenever Arya uses magic,the colour of the light she creates is also green.

HI and Welcome to the Forum! There is another Thread for introductions and I promise to give you a good welcome there.
In regards to Ayra, yes you are correct. Due to the color of her magic and the confirmation that the next dragon on the cover will be green we have agreed that it will hatch for her. How, where and when will it hatch for her, that we are still debating.!!!

As of now I don't really bealive the color of a person's magic will be there Dragon color. Eragon never used magic before he got Saphira so maybe that's why his color is blue. Same with Murtagh as far as we know. I think Arya's magic being green though is a hint as to what happens. Kinda like in book three of Harry Potter when the nurse says what are they bringing her next year dragons, which they did. Many authors like doing this and I think CP is no different.

YOU ARE A HARRY POTTER FAN!!!! I need to PM you then!

I am a fan of many books lol. Harry Potter though is at the top of my list.

This is what CP had to say in an online interview with Mike from Shurtagal.com on 3/5/06:


<Mike> Is it just a coincidence that the color of the Dragon Rider's magic corresponds with the color of the Rider's dragon?
<CP> When a magician casts a spell, the color of his or her magic is determined by their personal preference. However, if you become linked with a dragon, the color of your magic automatically matches that of your dragon. You can modify that color if you want, though. So if Eragon wanted to create a fire that was red, he could.

Though that does kick out the you get a dragon who matches your color theory, I still say he is dropping us a hint to the next rider. Arya.

Me too! There are too many coincidences that lead towards the egg hatching for Ayra. In truth I really hope it does!

I think that the last egg will be destroyed by Eragon when he will be trying to take it to Vardens after he stole it. I think it bacause Eragon isn't strong enought to stay against Galby and Murtagh alone and because he has ability to make things going bad...

Incomer, do you not like Eragon, or is it just me and my paranoia?

I agree with Annie incomer and another thing your theory makes no sense whatsoever. You say Eragon isn't strong enough to stand up to Galbatorix and Murtagh alone, but he destoys his only hope in winning. Seriously WHAT?

You are correct in stating that at the end of Eldest, Eragon cannot compete as it is with Galbatorix and Murtagh, however, as readers we must prepare to see him at his all time low before he his able to conquer his nemesis and see the prophecies forfilled.

Can you clarify the blue highlighted portion. I may be going dumb with age cause I could not make out what you meant!

What WHAT? He will fail in his quest

No, No, No, hon, that was Brom, remember?

And Brom was much more powerful...

Actually Brom I think was a better magic user and maybe more powerful there when he still had his dragon. Eragon on the other hand is a better swordsman than Brom ever was. In a sense it's ironic that both the sons of the two hated eneimes, surpassed their father is swordsmanship.

Back on topic though Brom was destined to fail, while Eragon's destiny is largly unreadable. He will succeced, but only if Arya or another elf gets the green egg. Oromis is a liabilty and more than likely will pull a Yoda and die soon.

the egg probably cant be squashed it is so hoard

True they did remark on how strong Saphira's egg was and it might be impossible to destroy with any normal thing. Yet, could you use magic I wonder. Then agian CP would NOT have that egg destoryed, for the fact if it is then he would have to right a impossible win for Eragon, which is just bad writing.

This morning I was discussing Eldest with my daughter and she believes that Roran is from noble lineage and is a descendant of King Palancar; so for this reason she thinks the third egg will hatch for him. It only made me think that, is there a possibility this may happen? Could it be that CP is giving so many obvious clues towards the possibility of the third egg would hatch for Ayra and then prove us wrong and have hatch for Roran? What do you guys think?

Roran does have noble blood, which makes him the logical choice for the next king. CP won't give a human the egg as it will take to much time to train them to become a rider. IF Roran was a magic user it would be different, but he is not. He is a ignorant farmboy like Eragon and would take around the same amount of time to train. The rebellion does not have this time nor would we want to read 300 pages about training. An elf is the only logical choice and the only logical elf is Arya.

Good Morning F'lar05, I mean , that's the beauty of it all. It is the unexpected and since we already know the details of training a rider it would not need to be repeated. With Eragon it had to be this way because the reader had to know what it takes and what Earagon had to endure to be a rider.

Eragon was also an ignorant farmboy nd look what he has accomplished; Roran stopped being "just a farmboy" the moment he made the decision to convinced the entire villege of the need to flee Carvahall. Eragon has many things to do before the final battle.
What if after they rescue Katrina both Eragon and Roran return to Oromis; one would complete his training, the other would learn to be a rider. Keep in mind that Eragon NEVER did magic before he was bonded with Saphira. So it is logical that at this point of the story that Roran cannot do magic!,

Don't want to be nasty but...

Eragon never used magic before he met with Saphira because he couldn't speak in nessesary language. If you want to have unexpected things happening make Katrina next dragon rider (my eyes will fell out of my head if I'll be reading this in book). Annie think about dragon's IQ! Dragons are clever a they want to win this war so they can't choose their riders so easy. Saphira must choose Eragon because he was only one who can save her in her situation but the green one will probably have much more choise. That's why i think that next dragon rider will be elf...probably Arya (but I don't like this idea )

WOAH, I didn't say Katrina would be the next rider... NO, NO, NO!! I am simply rationalizing the possibility that Roran could be it. That would be two people whose eyes pop out. (Not a pretty sight).
In regards to Eragon and Saphira, I disagree. The storyplot leads us to believe that the dragon inside the egg choses the one for whom it shall hatch. Saphira had remained unhatched for many years, so I think if she had not chosen Eragon, and been re-captured to return to Galbatorix she may have remained unhatched. Keep in mind that before she turned up in Spine, she hand been presented to both elven and Varden candidates without hatching. So I don't think she hatched for Eragon by chance or because she had no choice.
At some point in the story, Eragon doubts this, and Saphira tells him something around the lines of "do you have so little faith in me" or something like that.
Eragon never spoke in the Ancient Language before because he did not know of it. It was Brom
who gave him this knowledge and tutored him during the short period they were together. Eragon however, was able to "mind talk" with Saphira before Brom was certain Eragon "had been touched by a dragon hatchling."
About dragon chosing their rider, I believe you are right, they do choose the rider. They choose them not because of the war that is waging at this time, but because of the afinity and worthiness of the person for whom they hatch.

Right Eragon was not just a person there by chance. He was destined to become the next rider, why do you think he was giving that name. Roran won't get it and yes we know about the training, but CP won't have another human for the time it would take. We would be reading about a story in one book taking around 2 years to finish. Roran wouldn't be ready for a year and half and by that time Eragon probably would be dead. CP will make an elf the rider so it only takes around 2-3 months for the rider to be ready and 5-6 months before Greenie and Saphira can mate, and for Greenie to breathe fire.

LOL, you're right. It is likely that Ayra will be the third rider, but I can dream!!!!!

Still there's something really weird...Why Thorn hatched for Murtagh whe he knows that Murtagh will be under Galby control? Dragons suppose to hate Galby and his dragon eggs eaters band (or how saphira call them)

I don't know. I think the dragon hatches for the peron with whom it has the affinity. I don't know if the dragon hatchling may have the capacity of forseeing the future.

I think that somewhere in books someone said that dragons in eggs knows what's happening around them...that means Thorn must know that Murtagh will be forced to join Galby forces

I don't remember that particular piece of info. In which book? Eragon or Eldest?

Not sure my memory is poor and after so long time i read those books for the las time (I read them only once...)

YOU DIDN'T! Only ONCE! No wonder you are so against my poor Eragon!

They don't know exactley what is going on. In the wild the can feel if their is enough food to support them beyond that nothing else. When they are giving to the riders a spell is placed upon them to hatch when the rider destined for them become's availble. That is why Thorn hatched for Murtagh, because he was destined to.

Was that in Eragon or Eldest. Was it when Brom was telling Eragon about the story of dragons?

I think it may have been in Eragon and I'm sure it was Brom who was telling him this.

Thanks! Guess I'll check it out tonight.

PLease do and please post what you can find out. Thanks.

I have been combing the books and I still cannot find it. As soon as I do, I will PM you. I'm going to start with Eragon, AGAIN, tonight.

A little off topic but still related: if a baby dragon was so pure and it has wisdom and its own judment on things... Wouldn't it be painful for them if their rider have evil heart ? Or say-- evil deeds ?

This is what I found in Eragon that may answer your question:

"Brom explained how dragons mate and what it took thei eggs to hatch. "You see," he said. "when a dragon lays an egg, the infant inside is ready to hatch. But it waits, sometimes for years, for the right circumstances. When dragons lived in the wild, those circumstances were usually dictated by the availiability of food. Howevr, once they formed an alliance with the elves, a certain number of their eggs, usually no more than one or two, were given to the Riders each year. These eggs, or rather the infants inside, wouldn't hatch until the person destined to be its Rider came into their presencethough how they sensed that isn't known. People used to line up to touch the eggs, hoping that one of them might be picked." Eragon, p 112

You know the myth that when a chick open it's eyes for the first time,, it will follow anything that it saw first ? (the mother-chicken, that is ) I mean-- when a dragon hatched because of.. say, Eragon. And somehow Eragon left the room and Roran entered, and Roran touched saphira for the first time instead of eragon..

What will happen next ??

Nothing for Roran, but maybe a nip on the finger. Dragon's are a little bit smarter than chickens and even as a new born Saphira had the magic of her race. She might have shown some affection towards Roran, but he would not have become the rider.

If we go by what the book says on P 112 of Eragon, I would have to agree with F'lar 05. The book leads us to believe that the dragon hatchling choses the Rider, so I guess it would not have made any difference if Roran would have walked into the room.
If am following your line of thought correctly, I think I can understand your question. Once Saphira hatched, she did not mark Eragon immediately. She explored the room a little and then marked him. If maybe Roran would have come into the room then, she may have chosen Roran instead of Eragon? Is that the possibility you are exploring?

I think she is, but like I said it wouldn't have mattered who came into the room after Eragon, because only Eragon would have been able to be the rider.

I too, also think that's what Fathskie was asking, but the book shot us down on that one.

When its going to be third part?

Are you asking when will the 3rd book of the series be out?

yeah
(sorry for my bad English :\)

No, honey, you need not to apologize. We are all aware that we chat with people from different countries. The fact that you can communicate with us is awesome. Whenever we are in doubt, we will ask for clarification, with no offense intended.

Spanish is my first language and many times I have the online dictionary opened to check spelling and translations. so don't worry about it and just focus on having fun!


In regards to book 3, I believe that it may be coming out late 2007. At least, that's what I have read on other web-sites. Haven't been around there for some time now.

We must wait so long?
Shall we help Chris? ^_^ Maybe then it will be more quicker

Yes, isn't it a drag? I constantly complain on the wait, but then I think, wow I am being part of the present of these books! What I mean is that when I read the LOtL series I knew that Tolkein was dead and was aware I would be able to read the 4 books without any rush.. but with Christopher, you kind of get into all the fun of trying to decipher clues and guess what may happen next and I think that's priceless, even though I dislike the waiting.

I a way it saddens me to know that once the last book is out, the series will come to and end. It's not like the Redwall series that has many books all around more or less the same characters and they are all linked to the 1st book.

I think Eragon will fall in love with Katrina(noble birth)(not that she'll love him) and then.....

I disaggree he will ALWAYS love Arya and Katrina isnt even of noble birth. I dnt think so anyway.

i agree with Dragonzroc!!!

Yay someone agrees wiv me!!!!
By way how could be Katrina be of noble birth??
Even tho Therinsford and Carvahall does have some of royal bloodlines of King Palancer and his descendants there no proof that Katrina is of royal hertitage.

[quote="Pomfret"]Would the third dragon even hatch? I mean . . . its possible that it may stay in its egg. Or if worse comes to worse the egg could get squished.[/quote]

how could it get squished?remember when Eragon hit Saphiras egg and it did not break?

yeah i guess

Alright I think that Eragon is going to Aquire the third Dragon Egg at Hellgrind when him and Roran go to save katrina. This will happen after the Ra' Zac and their mounts are killed in a fight between themselves and Eragon, Saphira and Roran this is mainly beacause it would seem as if it is the safest place to put the egg beacause it would be guarded by the kings dragons hunters. Then Eragon will take it to the Varden who will once again become the courier of the Dragon Egg but soon after beggining the job it will hatch. For her this follows some of the theories that Eragon and Arya will get together beacause Saphira is supposed to Mate with the green dragon and then you would have the emotional feed back of the two dragons going through the link with their riders which may cause Arya to let her show how she feels about Eragon then the dream at the beggining of book 1 could be linked to this beacause the two people that are standing together on the boat are Arya and Eragon and the two dragons are Saphira and the green Dragon They will be traveling to the elves's homeland where the dragon race will start again.

lol. let me fill you in on some stuff: it can be easily argued that Arya DOES have feelings for Eragon at the end of Eldest, and those feelings were not realized/understood by Arya when she said she didn't love him at the Blood-oath ceramony, allowing her to say that she doesn't love him.

As AnnieBee has put it many-a-time, CP doesn't seem like the person to MAKE Arya love Eragon without her preemtively loving him. The dragon-link thing might give her the extra push she will need to reveal her feelings, but the dragon-link will not be the initiator.

I think that it it should be saved by the varden cuz the more good riders thebetter chance they have of winning.

i think that Arya was saying that so eragon would not get distracted from his duties
Also if you read the third book you might change your mind about what i wont tell but you would change your mind