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Understand what F'lar'05 wrote about the AL.
The "blind as bats" riddle is one riddle that Blagden used, here's another:

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While two may share two,
And one of two is certainly one,
One might be two.

This means (Everything I added is in brackets):
While two [people, Eragon and Murtagh,] may share two [parents],
And one [parent, the mother, Selena,] of [the] two [parents] is certainly one [of the parents],
One [of the parents, the father(s)] might be two [different people, Brom, father of Eragon, and Morzan, father of Murtagh]

Imagine you never new who your father was and you know this stranger and he's friendly to you. You would never imagine that he is your father. And then imagine he was dying. If he told you he was your father you would completely go out of your mind.
And then imagine that Brom told Eragon and he knew that Brom was his father. If someone that worked for Galbatorix would enter Eragon's mind and find this out, Galbatorix would hear of this and would assume that Eragon was raised by Brom and was taught about magic and trained as a Rider, by Brom, one who was powerful enough to kill eight of the forsworn, then at the battle at the end Eldest, Galbatorix would come himself to fight and it would have been a forgone conclusion.

its morzan.It is said in eldest

I think either brom will be eragon's father since a load of evidence points to him, or jeod will because he's a bbit less obvious. i am actually hoping it will be jeod.

i think its morzan. bladgen's riddle, i interpreted it like this, sry if its wat u mean.

while 2 may share 2 (eragon and murtagh share the same parents)
and one of 2 is certainly 1 (and eragon and murtagh are certainly different)
one might be two (murtagh might be good, like eragon is)

and the reason brom lived so close 2 eragon: brom didnt want him 2 grow up bad like his father.

Murtagh though was speaking in the ancient language wen he told him so he couldnt lie unless Galby lied to him or something i dunno but Brom would hav told him wen he was dieing because its eragons right to know even if he only just met him .

I thought of it like this:

while 2 may share 2 (eragon and murtagh may share 2 parents)
and 1 of 2 is certainly 1 (they both certainly share one parent- Selena)
1 might be 2 (the father could be two different people- Brom or Morzan)


Also I thought of the other riddle, of (presuming Brom is Eragon's father) both father and son (Brom and Eragon) were blind to the true nature of their best friends (Brom's friend Morzan betraying the riders to Galbatorix, and Eragon's friend Murtagh joining Galbatorix).

(Thanks to AnnieBee and many others for convincing me with these theories lol.)

I say Brom, Morzan is very unlikely even though Murtagh said it. Galbatorix could have been lieing about that so I don't think he is.

Well if the book was lieing about Morzan not being Eragon's Father...Why would they name the book "Eldest"? and How many brothers does Eragon have? We still have a book left to answer these questions but I do not think that they would name the book Eldest if there was not a Elder something. They could be refering to Oromis and Glaedr. But Murtagh even says:

Besides, Zar'roc should have gone to Morzan's eldest son, not his youngest.

And Galbatorix couldnt lie if he didnt figure that they were related out...the Twins did...he could twist that into a lie but...And if Brom was his dad I would think that he would tell Eragon that as he was dieing but did he? I think not.

that is a lot of evidence and I'm fairly well convinced. I hadn't thought about that riddle in that way before. I also wouldn't put it past CP to have Eragon (and Murtagh) believe that they are siblings but that not be the case in the end either. Who knows, I'd like to see what book 3 has to say.

I think dat Brom's Eragon's father. Well, in the book, it said that Brom was in love with a woman, and that he knew Selena well enough to miss her when she is gone

well, in love with a woman... but then it says that IT WAS HIS LOVE THAT MADE HER GO AWAY or something like that. but im sticking with Murtagh to say Morzan is eragon's father.

That's exactly why I think it is Brom. Because Selena and Brom loved each other so much, they had a child and named him Eragon.

huh? but selena ran away which meant that they didnt have a child.

But she went to Carvahall before she left and we don't know how much time she was there.

Brom is Eragons father. Saphira will tell Eragon in book 3.

werent morzan and selena married? why would brom feel so betrayed by morzan if he had first slept with morzans wife. wich is the only way brom could be eragon's father. broms the good guy he's not gonna go and have an affair with his best friends wife.

When Morzan meet Selena I think it was after Galby took over, so Brom and Morzan were no longer friends but enemys and Brom blamed Morzan for the death of his Dragon, Saphira. But I don't think he did it out of revenge but he realy did love Selena which was her demise.

Just cause Brom's a good guy doesn't mean he can't have an affair, and I don't think that they (Morzan and Selena) were married. I think that she loved him and thats why she stayed with him, and then she met Brom and learned what it's like to have that love returned. I agree with Rien.1234 about Morzan and Brom not being friends when Selena was with Morzan.

I agree. Brom and Selena more than likely had an affair and I say that they had a child together and that's why Brom stayed so close to Eragon probably because he was his son.

Yeah out of all the places he picked Carvahall for a reason why can't it be to watch over his son?

Eragon would probably be even trialed to hatch an egg because he is the son of Brom. Galby would be after him too because of his heritage and also so would the Varden more than likely.

I think Saphira will be the one to reveal the truth, or Oromis will tell him on his death bed, I think. Sucks that he will die.

but who says ormis well even die... no doubt that saphira well reveal more about brom i expect... but ormis is also a main source of info on brom for eragon.

Page 274 of Eldist, Oromis lifted a sharp eyebrow. "how long until I die? We have time, but precious little for you or me, especially if the Varden decide to call upon your help. As a result-to answer your question, Saphira- we will begin your instruction immediately, and we will train faster than any Rider ever has or ever will, for I must condense decades of knoledge into minths and Weeks."

you see elf king he knows he will die soon himself. Saphira does know more than she has told us there are hints in her speech and body languege.
Pg 656 Saphira ruffled his hair with a gust of her hot breath. Just remember, whatever Brom's reasons, he always tried to protect us from danger. He died saving you from the Ra'zac.
I know. . . .Do you think he didn't tell me about this becaus he was afraid I might emulate Morzan, like Murtagh has?
Of course not.
He looked at her, curious. How can you be so certain? She lifted her head high above him and refused to meet his eyes or to answer. Have it your way, then. Kneelling......

See Saphira knows a hole lot more than she say's.

I believe His father is Brom. Not because they act like each other, just because someone is someones parent doesn't mean they are like their parent. I just remember when Eragon asked Brom if he knew his mother and Brom said enough to miss her when she was gone. And if Eragon's mother and Brom had had an affair it would give Morzan a greater reason to kill Brom's dragon besides just being evil. Well, that's just my theory.

I forgot Brom said that, it just adds more evidence to the fact that Brom is Eragons father.
That is good evidenc Pierced-Heart.

All of this is good evidence. I think that Oromis will die, but he still has a lot to teach to Eragon and a lot to tell him also. I also believe that Saphira has a lot to tell him about Brom. I just think that she's waiting for the right time to tell him.

That is my thought exactly but I don't know if Oromis knows that Brom is Eagons Father. But he still has alot to teach him with little time.

Besides I think Muragh was lied to anyway about him and Eragon being brothers, I don't think Murtagh is the father of Eragon in the first place.

Through Selena, not being rude but that kinda makes her a ...........................

LOL!!!!!! Yeah but can you blame her. If I was stuck in a relationship with Morzan I think I would run off with Brom too.

I know but stilll.........................

I don't think he was lied to but that is what who ever told him belived that it was true. I don't think Galby or the Twins knew Brom well enough to see that he could posible be Eragon's father.

thats true... I think brom must have tried to keep himself hidden from GAlby and his army cuase otherwise, they would of tried to come after him....

That is the reason he was hiding in Carvahall was to stay out of site and to most likle keep an eye on Eragon.

Yeah I pretty much agree with you.

Well great mind think alike. Also Murtagh could not have lie unless he is powerful enough to undo the work of the Grey folk who put the spells on the language which is never going to happen unless Eragon gets that powerful.

True that. I know you can't lie in the AL, but Galby could of twisted his words and do we even know if Murtagh knows the AL?

On Pg 652 of Eldist Murtagh merely shook his head and repeated his word in the ancient language.... See he can speek it fluently

Or did Galby tell him the words and he just memorize?

But what about the spells he knows and He learned some from Eragon in thier traviling together.

What spells did he know? I forget.

He knew enough and was powerful enough to heel a bad wound on his Dragon three second wich is beter than Eragon could do.

I knew Galby was giving him some power boost, that just shows.

I think they get it from the souls of people that die and ain't strong enough to reist the pull of their power.

He probably leanred that from a shade. Anyway sister is being a butthole so G2G.

It is clear that there mother is the same, but if brom is eragons father then did she find him to sleep with him? lol she went to her living family that was nearby to wait for her to be ready to give birth and head back (6 Months didnt he say? and it was prob a month of a ride 'Both' ways maybe less but still it is a 8 month time for a child to grow unless eragon was born 2 months early so i doubt Brom is eragons dad, might be galby at most (and she learned to use magic so she could hide but not from galby most likely..... that leaves 2 things Morzon or Galby......

Brom was there to hide as the village was in a out of the way corner of the area they were in, a spot he would have to keep quite. and he was there for eragons life and before that from what i read, would be nice to learn what she was told before she got there

and with Murtag he learned some things from Eragon but that was some simple words it was from galby he learned from and for sure some of it was stuff galby learned from Durza.. but if eragon he would have won that fight 'He was tired to start with and from book 1 it stated that Murtag and Eragon had the same stamina (before eragon was boosted in power when he was in the elves capital.

That is very well put you think your stuff through
But I agree with you I know he only learned some simple word I was only trying to prove to Scarecrow that Murtagh knew the ancient language.

Just because she was only in carvahall for a few months doesn't mean she wasn't pregnant before she came....and it doesn't mean that she couldn't have had an affair with Brom before she came there. She did spying for Morzan right? Well, that could have been the excluse she gave Morzan but actually she was having the affair. I dunno, I still believe that Brom is his father tho.

Yes she did spy for Morzan but Morzan was the last of the forsworn then and he was off hunting for Saphira's Egg which would of given her a chance to flee to Teirm and meet Brom, get her groove on and get her fortune read then return to Carvahall to give birth to Eragon and then returne to morzan's place.

tricky. i think its Brom.

And I agree. There would have been plenty of chances for her to sneak off and have some fun.

your theory lacks substance. here is my evidence (btw, i came up w/ this way before you posed this).

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing." So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

I guess that makes sense...but I still think brom isn't his father...

why not? All of my extensive evidence list is right there! read it if you didn't!

I TRIED ANNIE!!! I TRIED!!! THERE ARE TOO MANY POSTS ON TOP OF THEM!!!

um... why would Eragons mother bed with Brom Morzans mortal enemy?

good point.

don't spam. say more in a post than ok or "thing of that nature". lol. i love that phrase.

Annie, you forgot all of the above! lol. That's the one!

well.... i HOPE that Brom is Eragons father but some thing tells me that it is Morzan.

Well Murtagh seems to be confident about Eragon's father when he took Zarroc from Eragon and said that sword belong's to older son of (Morzan but add different words depending on your current mood).

all he knows is that their mother was Eragon's mother too. He didn't expect that Selena might have cheated on Morzan.

Murtagh knew his mother. maybe she really loved morzan and couldn't help it. even today lost of wemon are stuck in abusive relation ships.

also i think the song cant help loving that man of mine from the movie show boat explains her situation perfectly. if you haven't herd it look it up on you tube.

What do you mean by "it"? The book in general?

This is true, but not quite. Though Murtagh said, even in the Ancient Language, that Eragon's father was Morzan, that may not be right. He could say it because he believed it was true.

There is also the chance(or fact... I can't remember?) that Galbatorrix told this to Murtagh in the Ancient Language. The same circumstances as above apply.

Another point: Morzan taught Selena to hide her thoughts, did he not? Couldn't she have just taken up on the lessons with talent and didn't let on to Morzan so she could hide things from him too?

And... Again I cite magic color. I infer that Brom's magic was blue, like Eragon's. Is it possible that magic color is hereditary?

What colour of magic Morzan had?

Very sorry to breakk all of your dreams and spirits and destroy your hearts and souls and everything, but you're fprgetting one man who gets killed:

GARROW!

If Brom was Eragon's father, that means Brom and Garrow were brothers.

i agree that brom isnt eragons father but garrow is selenas brother not morzan/broms.

caterpillar. how could I have not been convincing? There is SOOOO much evidence to suggest that Brom is Eragon's father.

I can tell why so many people say Brom is Eragon's father. But, for me, it would be mary sue ish. It adds more to Eragon's character if Morzan is evil but his youngest son isn't. It makes him more of a hero.

wow.. You almost had me there, BUT you dug your own grave.

You keep saying that Selena is not a woman of loose morals so that means that MORALLY she would NEVER bed with Brom.

Next, you repeat that in the book that Selena loved Morzan. If she loved Morzan then she wouldn't have any other feelings like that for other men. So in the matter of LOVE she would NOT bed with Brom.

If you try to say that she might have changed her mind after the sword was thrown re-read the book as it says she was pregnant with his child before the sword was thrown.

And just thinking upon that now, Brom HIMSELF said that Selena was pregnant with Morzan's son (Book I). Besides it would have been hard to hide her two or three month pregnancy.

One of my points!

Selena never actually had a chance to copulate with Brom as Morzan kept her busy most of the time doing his errands. She never would have had time to spend going to Carvahall getting get pregnant by Brom and travel all the way back to Morzan's lair. (Not sure if thats in Uru'baen or Helgrind, either way its quite a distance). And in the thoughts of Eragon (Page 654 of Eldest.) "Selena left Carvahall twenty-some years ago, returned once to give birth to Eragon, and was never seen again."
Selena didn't have the TIME with Brom to get pregnant.



Now, I know you can't use those kind of words in this Forum because of the lack of maturity. Thats fair game.
But on your second point, Women in the BEGINNING of time lived without marriage. This is quite a number of years afterwards, and from how CP describes it marriage among humans is common, nay, a law. But since Morzan and Selena never actually got married Selena would have been waiting for him to say those words. Doing those errands because she thought she could get him to appreciate her more.



No offense to you or anyone on this thread but people generally can be that stupidly in love. I know cause it has happened to me, I shut out my friends my family all because of this girl I loved. She was taking control over my life slowly until my friends finally stood in and told me. I wouldn't hear any part of it. But it did get me thinking. Eventually I left her, but I felt good about it. But you're not here to listen to MY sap story.

But there no reason for Mozan NOT to lie to Selena, so he probably kept her there and told her that it was for her own good. Morzan could have taken the baby away saying that it was hurt and he needed use his own magic to keep it alive. Or maybe told her that if he was tutored right he could become the next king. But it would have been the sword to the back that drove her away from him.



Sigh... I didn't want to quote more book. Page 655 of Eldest, Chapter Reunion.

"Murtagh had discussed how his mother had vanished from Morzan's castle while Morzan was hunting Brom, Jeod, and Saphira's egg. After Morzan threw Zar'roc at Murtagh and nearly killed him, Mother must have hidden her pregnancy and then gone back to Carvahall in order to protect me from Morzan and Galbatorix."

Although this is debatable evidence, it was in the book none-the-less.



Page 654 of Eldest, Chapter Reunion.
"He wished he could repudiate Murtagh's claim, but everything Murtagh had said about his mother-their mother-coincided with the few things Eragon knew about her: Selena left Carvahall twenty-some years ago, returned once to give birth to Eragon, and was never seen again."

There is an actual time frame, Selena was pregnant when she was at Morzan's castle. She rode back to Carvahall to the only person she could trust, her brother Garrow. Nowhere in that time period was Selena anywhere near Brom as he was too busy seeking Morzan and Saphira's egg.



I wasn't saying she had a huge belly, I was talking more about the vomiting in the morning, the... well natural biology. I won't go into detail.




She probably thought she was happy doing her purpose for Morzan. But yeah, I can see how you can get that mixed up.

LOL you're just stalling for time because you know my evidence is true.

Time to cut down your theory piece by piece...fun!!!

All of your theories IMNC are not based on any sort of evidence available in the book. All that you have said here is a bunch of theories that have your mind has concocted. Brom would have known Selena from their time in Carvahall, but after that they never would have seen each other again.

dude, the point was that all of your evidence is faulty. there are other very possible, often more possible, interpretations of the same passages that discredit your theory. THAT was my point. Some of your evidence was downright WRONG.

Now, do you REALLY want me to post all of my evidence for the 1000010th time?

only if you want me to re-post all of mine

no. that's not how it works. You post yours, I contest it. I post mine, you contest that. Whosever's evidence is less contestable has the better argument. I already contested yours, replying with LIKELY (key word) alternate reasons and interpretations.

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Well this still brings me back to the area of Selena's love for Morzan. When the sword was thrown she was already pregnant with Eragon. She wouldn't have been giving information away to the Varden because she was still deeply in love with Morzan.
She couldn't have taken the egg because the person that did lost their life doing so. She left Morzan to give birth to Eragon for his safety. If she did have a relationship with Brom then she would have sought him out after she gave birth instead of returning to Morzan's castle.

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I have no doubt that she would have gotten fed up with him eventually, hence why she left. But she didn't leave for Brom. (See above answer)

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But she DIDN'T know Morzan didn't care for the child. Morzan could have told her a myriad of lies simply because he wanted his servant back. She would have been very upset do doubt, but Morzan was a cunning man and extremely powerful. He could have done anything to poor Selena. Maybe even change her memories.

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How could she have fallen in love with Brom so easily, when she was deeply in love with Morzan. Being Garrow's sister I can only deduce that she was a woman of morals and that she would not go with Brom because she was with Morzan.

Well this still brings me back to the area of Selena's love for Morzan. When the sword was thrown she was already pregnant with Eragon. She wouldn't have been giving information away to the Varden because she was still deeply in love with Morzan.
She couldn't have taken the egg because the person that did lost their life doing so. She left Morzan to give birth to Eragon for his safety. If she did have a relationship with Brom then she would have sought him out after she gave birth instead of returning to Morzan's castle.

More likely she was there for Murtagh and she didn't really know that she was pregnant, or she wanted to make it seem like it was Morzans, but then she saw what he did to his own son. There are other possibilities why she was there, not in love with Morzan. She could have thought that she would be killed if she left, and then when she saw what he did to his own son, she finally decided to leave. And give me the quote that says the person died FROM the stealing. You have been wrong about something directly from the book before, so page and actual quote please.

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I have no doubt that she would have gotten fed up with him eventually, hence why she left. But she didn't leave for Brom. (See above answer)

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But she DIDN'T know Morzan didn't care for the child. Morzan could have told her a myriad of lies simply because he wanted his servant back. She would have been very upset do doubt, but Morzan was a cunning man and extremely powerful. He could have done anything to poor Selena. Maybe even change her memories.

She knows how he is a drunk and how he treats her son. She's not THAT gullible.

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How could she have fallen in love with Brom so easily, when she was deeply in love with Morzan. Being Garrow's sister I can only deduce that she was a woman of morals and that she would not go with Brom because she was with Morzan.[/quote]
True, she was devoted to him, but after how he treated her and her son, who can tell how she felt about him, and how she felt about Brom. We KNOW that Brom knew her. How would he have known her if not through her "errands"?