ok. EVERYTHING is not inheritance! you can NOT use that as proof. Were either of Elva's parents marked by a dragon? NO!!!! I could mention a million of them, but i don't have the time. Brom was searched for, so that means that his parents were not Riders, or else he would have already been a candiate. and if i can't assume that Brom's parents were not riders, than you can't assume that Roran will be the next rider! you HAVE to assume!

I didnt understand anything you said about inheritance in that post but ok sure. And yeah i guess you do have to assume althought im not agreeing with you.

i said that everying in the book does not have to revolve around inheritance. Roran does not have to become a rider, because everything has already been inherited. 2 people can't inherit a position. Eragon inherited Brom's position, being a rider who is fighting against the empire, and Murtagh inherited Morzan's position.

-has been reading along and thinks Anniebee is right- Your also kinda scary... j/k anywho The argument got me confused, and threw me out of my brain area, why do people think roran would be the next rider again?!? I've not finished eldest yet but from what I've read he has issues. that is all.

lol. that is very true.

srry annie. *stopping derogitory terms, but continuing with bad spelling* lol

ridicule? i don't understand ur usage of the term. w/e though. I'll stop. k?

That was not my intention, I swear. I have a bucket of patience and I give people the benefit of the doubt, follow the rules and all is good! However, enough is enough and we have a topic to discuss w/o having to be called names.

MOVING ON!

I am torn between both factions. Deep down inside I would like to see Roran become a Rider. Contrary to what others believe I see his potential. I have this nagging feeling he as Garrow and Selena have nobility background. Besides I like Roran. On the other hand the book gives many indications and solid reasons for Ayra to become the next Rider. I personally find the idea of she and Eragon "getting together" repugnant. But that's MY opionion. I respect other point of views, therefore my point of view needs to be respected. As simple as that!


ridicule-: the act of ridiculing : DERISION, MOCKERY; IMNC this is FYI.

umm wll i think dat Roran is probably d nxt dragon rider..Oromis sed dat d descendants of King Palancar still livd in Palancar valley in a village named Carvahall..n wht i think is dat d descendants r Garrow n Selena n thru dem Eragon n Roran...still dat doesnt change bt still..
besides Arya is agn too old to bond wid a dragon hatchling n also dat she d b jus too strong..she did say dat she culd sand at Vroengard n contact Eragon at Ellesmera..so she s alredy powerful..making her more powerfull wuld kill d plot..so Roran is d best option..it makes more sense too i mean he has proved himslf wid taking d villagers to Surda, n v kno he has a conscience as he cant simply kill a man n d fact dat the act repulses him..i think dat shows dat he's worthy...
o n wll dere is no1 els..besides it might jus b dat d dragon egg is not made to hatch at all! i mean he doeesnt hav to make it hatch...it culd hatch l8er afta Galbatorix's death n den saphira culd mate den .. evn if if hatched dey she wuldnt hav time to mate rite now anyway

I agree with you on the whole roran is worthy thing and how if Arya would become rider she would be just too powerful and if she had that kind of power, catastrophic. And yeah Arya is too old anyway, she'd always be older than her dragon by like 90 years almost.

And about the green egg hatching on it's own, it can't, if it could it would have already hatched by now. Galby has put a spell on it to keep it from hatching so it will have a rider.

no when a dragon gives an egg to d riders den sum words r spoken over it which allows it to stay inside until it meets it's destined partner..
bt if u DO think of it, d third egg culd b sumfin like a lost hope n might just not hatch

It has to in the next one, and I say Roran is going to touch it and it will hatch for him.

wht if he DOES touch it and it DOES hatch..den wht?
he d b too weak to evn pose as a threat to Galby n Murtagh..i mean at present Murtagh can thrash Eragon left n right..jus luk wht he did to saphira....

Yes but Eragon did some damage to Murtagh as well. And all Roran needs is training.

Idk maybe one is Eragon's and one is Roran's and he is yelling out to Eragon and Arya. I'm not sure though.

I agree because we are just pressing ourselves to guess and see if we are right.

Yes it is. I enjoy doing it alot.

THANK YOU!!!! that is one of my conter-points. he WOULDN'T be a threat. Now Arya.... that would be AWSOME!!! Actually, i would think that Eragon and her would be matched. that would be sooo sweet.....

i can't cuz u posted after me.....

So, Roran can go through training just like Eragon did, and if Arya got it, she would need training as well just like Eragon.

He could begin it with them just getting done with Training, as you posted, the third chapter is about them going to Helgrind.

What are you mad all of a sudden? Or yelly?

Well, that would be kinda cool if he did become rider, I"m really hoping, I think most people are hoping for Arya because they want Eragon and Arya to get together, but there is a simpler way.

no there isn't and that is not the primary reason! even if i HATED Arya, i have the perceptiveness to see that she will be the next rider (I'm not saying that u were talking to me indirectly).

annie, in real life, I'm gonna have a really, REALLY long "IN YOUR FACE!!!" streak. and a lot of dancing. lol.

Man your ignorant. I still don't believe it's Arya. What perceptiveness are you talking about?

u r misusing the word ignorant. look it up. it describes you PERFECTLY. (Annie, he started it. lol.)

Yeah but you keep saing the same thing and you won't believe anything else, ok, you're stubborn.

well driving that stuff into your skull is not piece of cake. and I won't believe YOU because you have no valid evidence! Present me a well thought out, valid argument, and THEN i might believe you. I can have no less. no less will persuade me because I need MORE of an argument than i have already for myself to be persuaded. I am hard to persuade because i have already come up with a VERY logical theory, and no less will take me from that.

[quote="I'MNOTCRAZY"][quote="Lethrblakahunter"]wht if he DOES touch it and it DOES hatch..den wht?
he d b too weak to evn pose as a threat to Galby n Murtagh..i mean at present Murtagh can thrash Eragon left n right..jus luk wht he did to saphira....[/quote]

THANK YOU!!!! that is one of my conter-points. he WOULDN'T be a threat. Now Arya.... that would be AWSOME!!! Actually, i would think that Eragon and her would be matched. that would be sooo sweet.....[/quote]

Okay if Arya were to becum a dragon rider, she d b too powerful...she s amongst the strongest of elves, and is ar presnt, stronger dan Eragon so if she were to becum a dragon rider, den d whole story would collapse..Roran, tho could b one...but d prob would b dat he d b too weak..but mayb if Eragon trains him jus to giv him d basic power n u see fer arnd half a year, eragon dint kno of magic, so techniclly he didnt take long...tho roran would not hav d power to match an elf, he may prove powerful enuff to kill off pet magicians like d twins..
bt still d more i think abt it.. there does not HAVE to b a dragon rider..its nt req as such.. he can go on widout one

actually, the book says that Eragon now can match even the most athletic elf. the only thing that Arya would be better in is her proficiency in magic, which with more training on Eragon's part, he can match eventually.

there IS a rider, because CP has confirmed there being one.

And so can Roran as soon as he touches the green dragon and gains the abiltiy. Then Arya and Eragon can train him. See I didn't exclude Arya.

yeah, but (hypothetically of corse) he would suck at it! he would NEVER measure up to Eragon, and would be less than a threat to Murtagh.

If he had training he would.

he can't beat an elf. AND he would still suck at magic. lol.

IF HE HAD TRAINING! Also he could also try going through a ceremony like Eragon did to heighen his powers.

which 1. doesn't happen again for another 100 years, and 2. was most likely unique to Eragon.

Well maybe one of it's kind.

in 100 years: time that they don't have!

Why do you guys think that the egg will hatch for the Varden. First they have to find it, Then they have to steal it, plus the fact that Galby probably has some type of sensors on it or its surrounded by powerfull magic. I mean come on its not like its sitting out in the open for the Varden to steal another egg, that could be the whole book itself. The egg will hatch for Galby and the dragon and Rider will show itself to Eragon. Then he will think that its all lost and theres no hope left (but wait remember what Solebum said??? "When all seems lost go and speak you name to(some rock or the vault of soul)") Then Eragon and Saphira will find something or something will happen to them and they will become very strong, Defeat Galby then Murtagh and Rider #3 will join Eragon with being good. Thorn and Saphira will mate, Eragon and Arya will get together and we will all be happy.

because otherwise, Eragon has no chance at beating Galby, Murtagh, AND a new rider. and the thing about Murtagh and the other rider switching over is that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!! the oaths make it impossible. Murtagh was lucky enough to find the small loophole that he did find, but that won't happen in the future.

I agree. Arya being the next rider would balance out all the other Riders being boys.Besides,she has been with the elves long enough to know about how to defeat Murtagh and Galbatorix.

But still with Arya by his side (or Roran or some other good rider) he wouldn't feel that its all lost. See if the 3rd rider belonged to Galby he would think that its all lost and that its hopeless then he would go to the vault of souls or stone of w/e and speak his name he might find out Galbys secret and then stop it making Galby weak.

Good point, but I still think that Arya will be the next rider.

what??? that is a TERRIBLE point! and who on the evil side would CP be able to hint at? he didn't drop ANY hints to someone on Galby's side!

i hope it will be roran i dont know y i just do

(dont know if sum1 already said this but) nah hes too old lol they were trained at liek 10 lol even eragon was late lol

Why would it matter if he gave any hints???

because CP said that he dropped many hints (i.e. probably referring to Arya's eye color and magic color) on who the next rider will be.

Were is the proof that he said that...? I'd like to read more on it.

i think it was on an interview in Shurtugal. i dunno. AnnieBee told me in one of these topics...

Oh...So you don't have anything more what he said, or proof

i still wish orik would be a rider i mean hes the only dwarf to EVER ride a dragon so i think he should get a dragon and make history
but from the choices id say....well not roran...maybe arya...but nothings certain (go orik WHOOOOOOOO)

Orik can't, he wasn't included with the contract the dragons made. And why not Roran?

hes too old,eragon himself was over age

so what if dwarves wernt in teh contrfact....hes the ONLY DWARF to ride a dragon and hes a great bfighter...but hes like pretty old

Don't double post, you're not supposed to and you can get in trouble with the mods.

Even if he has ridden a dragon he still can't be a rider because they weren't included in the contract. He'll probably be the King of the Dwarves hopefully. Also how is Roran too old if you want Orik to be rider? Orik is older than him!!!! So how is Roran too old if you want Orik to be rider?

yeah i amde another post about that sumwhere...ill find it later lol but now i think its lookin good for roran(ill find the thread)

Thank you, and I agree, Roran I believe is more suited for the title of rider.

How is she more likely? I see it the other way around because Arya will be too powerful unless she doesn't gain anything from being a rider, which most likely she will.

she would be AS powerful as Eragon. what is wrong with that?! and she would gain the strenght of her dragon, so she could perform even STRONGER spells. i don't see a downside!

Isn't she already more powerful than Eragon? She'd be too powerful! That's the downside, she'd be too powerful for her own good, she could kill Galby in an instant.

you are overestimating her strength. she was stronger than him before his transformation, but now he matches "even the most athletic elf" in strength.

If we go be Angela's prediction, Riders will not reign over Alagaesia. And here Hrothgar is forshadowing it!

I didn't say she would rule, just that she'd be too powerful as a rider.

se wouldn't go power hungry if that is what you mean. and what is wrong with her being powerful? again, you are overestimating her current power.

he doesn't have the magic to match her, but in swordsmanship i think that they are equal.

lol. I've been saying that for months... that would be awsome!!!

arya's skill> eragon's skill.lol scarecrow u stole what i said but lol its ok cuz i think we are right that arya would make it too easy to killl galby...ne ways i htink cp is justy following suit (lets see we have eragon...human....male.....then theres murtagh.....human....male....the galby.....human....male...(roran)....human....male)

except of coursefor master oromis however he is cripple and cannot fight in a war so he has little importance when it comes to actuall fighting(hes VERY skilled but hes crippled so he cant really physically fight)

My bad but I agree with you. She'd be way too powerful, it wouldn't be really fair, don't you think?
Also I don't agree on the whole male, male, male theme. I'm going with the family related theme.

Eragon-Roran cousins
Eragon-Murtagh brothers
Murtagh-Roran cousins??????

Arya's Strength = Eragon's Strength
Arya's experience/training > Eragon's experience/training

Eragon-Murtagh = 1/2 BROTHERS!!!!

she wouldn't be way too powerful. she would be AS powerful as Eragon. We only get a glimpse of her power BEFORE Eragon's transformation. now her advantage of being an elf is gone. now she only has experience. training can overcome that. and Saphira would be better than Greenie!

Yes I agree, training can overcome that. That's why Roran only needs alot of training, and if there is another ceremony like the one Eragon went through then maybe he could go through it as well.

but he doesn't have the TIME!!! Eragon is like 3/4 through his training and Oromis is worried they won't finish. Roran would have to start from SCRATCH!!! AND the cerimony won't happen, so he will only be as powerful as Eragon was (strengthwise).

id say roran is tactical...not really liek brawny or fast or ne thing but hes smart and hes not the farm boy who we first saw in the beginging of eragon...hes killed scores of men and seen death plenty...he led a WHOLE VILLAGE to a place all the way aacross the continent quite safely

so no maybe hesn not and never will eb as streong as roran...but i think rorans smarter :/

oh eyah and eragon could teach him everythjing...(btw if arya got greenie...shed probobly be forced to travel with eragon) which i KNOW she wont do willingly lol

i guess he is a bit smarter, but Eragon has shown cunning as well.

He will need time to be taught everything. It takes TIME. If they had 2 years, then MAYBE he could be trained, if Oromis doesn't die b4 that. Otherwise, they are out of time. And y wouldn't she travel with him willingly? look at the end of Eldest again. She isn't pushing him away at the very end.

Yes but she has a duty to her people at the moment. Why would it take 2 years?

scarecrow makes a good point.y would it take two yrs lol

it took eragon less than 1(i say that becuz he trained with brom and oromis the rest wasnt reall training)

ok and eragon shows wit...not cunning.cunning is likea fox sorta sneaky...if ne1s cunning it would be the razac or galbotorix or durza but hes dead lol

lol and about the why wouldnt she...its VERY obvious...shes not pushing him away,no.but she IS still evry very stern on her not liking eragon that way...shes nto embracing him either...and i dont know what foreshadowing is,however,judging from the meaning of the root word i would say that it has sumthing to do with predicting the future,or sumthing like it but aryas eyes dont indicate foreshadowing if im correct...they may be signs of her personality(like a moodring(i dont know lol im brain storming))

but think about it and maybe u shall see the light

ok..ok.... 1 1/2 cuz Eragon isn't finished and after saphira breaths fire, which is 6 months, and then 6 months again because Thorn can breathe fire.

you are thinking of witty and sly. cunning does not have to be negative, though it is often percieved so.

She does not love him, but how many times have you seen friendships blossom into more in books? a bunch of times! Forshadowing is taking things from one part and predicting what will happen from that. And it IS forshadowing. If her eyes were only mentioned a couple times, it wouldn't be, but after a while it becomes more apparent (to someone who is looking and knows or these kinds of things) that it is. They are GREEN eyes, forshadowing her getting the GREEN dragon. And her eyes don't change color, so it isn't personality.

what light? ur the one in darkness! lol.
and don't mess with one of Ms. Denizé's students on forshadowing! lol.

i not saying her eyes change color lol im saying that thats how she was born...with that attitude...

and cunning ususally means trickery or...getting sum1 to do sumthing without specifying...but not lying

and btw it mentiond her eyes lkiek 2 times lol(again i dont know for sure i dont have eragon here(the book)but i do have eldest)it was just when he was describing her appearance when he found her in gilead and i thik when he was rememebering her from his dream or sumthing

but u should read my other post and it explains betetr in the read this please or sumthin

Yes he could because he is worthy of it.

we are debateing who will be the next rider. u know what? ANYONE can be the next rider!!! Who is most likely (Arya) is another question, and a debateable one.

ok well then i beilieve imnc should change their sig...its not proof lol noithing is for now proof is when u know for a fact and it is 100% set in stone lol u said urself ANY1 CAN BE THE NEXT RIDER

for all we know HORST IS THE RIDER lol.so cahnge your sig to say im GUESSING its arya or sumthing like that dont say u HAVE PROOF

w/e. and that is off topic. and it is evidence. not exactly proof, but proof sounds better.

lol how is it off topic...its quite on it lol im saying u need to change ur sig becuz ur not certain...we are debating if roran could and why he has a better chance over arya...thats on topic becuz ur sig is possibly wrong :/

no it isn't! lol. it isn't in stone, but I'm certain of it. Noone has come up with a better argument that I can't discredit, so I'm sticking with this.

lol by saying it isnt in stone but im certain lol that means that ur sure but you might be wrong lol

and how bout me and scarecrow all these "facts"u keep stating are sumthing ive disproved or something thats too miniscule to worry about(i.e aryas eyes)

not without me coming up with a good counter-argument! you "discredit", then I discredit your "discredit". That is how things have been going, so THAT is how i was winning in the other topic. I'm a master at debating. And none of those things are miniscule. Her eyes are mentioned multiple times. No other charry's eyes, other than the dragons' and Durza's, have been mentioned extensively. Thusly, it is not ordinary and therefore most likely has more than one level of meaning.

so what your saying is we are drawing circles in circles eh?

read my other thread on this

yeah. not going to happen. nice try though! lol.

well I'm not going to look 4 evidence! I'm gonna read straight through! And then do the "in your face!" dance and force everyone to say "you were right and we were wrong". lol. that is going to be awsome! lol.

the eyes thing has EVERYTHING to do with it cuz it is foreshadowing for HER being the rider, not Roran.