That will be why he will bring back Brom or Oromis, to learn how to raise the dead. I think he can and they might come in handy...

Oromis told Eragon it was bad to bring up the dead and he would bring Brom or Oromis back to learn how to bring up the dead. Oromis asked Eragon what e would like to learn and he said he wanted to learn how to bring up spirits. Oromis agreed to teach him... but now that he's dead...

Good point. Eragon could get Arya to do it for him. And if he does ask Arya to teach him how to raise the dead then she'll probably say something like, I'm not your teacher, or something like that. But if Arya brings back Brom or Oromis, who were his teachers, they could teach him how to raise the dead.

Eragon could raise them like shades, Durza seemed pretty intelligent.

But with magic Eragon could turn them good. Anyway it might depend on the character who is being brought back.

I'm liking what Murtagh is saying, I think a more feasible theory however would be if he could get the willing cooperation of the spirit you know if it were more of a concensual thing so that the spirit would be released right after the work had been done then maybe the "shade" wouldnt be evil.

Eragon and Arya meeting a spirit might have been some serious forwshadowing, not to mention that Eragon asks to be taught how to control them by Oromis.

Exactly but say you were to encounter one the wild such as Eragon and Arya did and then explain your situation or make a promise that if they were to help that they would do there best to Illegalize spirit summoning after Galby had fallen.

@gomenesigh

Im saying if you were to approach a spirit in a different manner, you didnt address what im trying to get across, did you read my comments? or are you just blatantly trolling? im confused because one im not asking him to summon a spirit to do his biding. Im saying if he were to encounter one out in the wilderness and have the same experience that he did with Arya, then perhaps he could Beg for there help. and who knows maybe they would help him unless you can disprove this (even tho its not concrete) please do not comment.

As I said eralier, it might depend on the character of the person that is being brought back. And Pandaemon said that it might also depend on the way you approch the person you are bringing back.



So your if Eragon was to bring back Brom, or Oromis, they would try and kill him, or take another means of revenge. Brom would kill his son!

Including Brom and Oromis! And both of them would try and kill Eragon if he brought them back. I also don't agree with the fact that they are evil from the moment they are brought back. When Eragon went into Durza's mind he was good.

I see, but for Eragon to ask the question, that he wanted to learn how to raise the dead, it must come up somewhere else in Book Four. Maybe he has to summon up spirits, or shades, to beat Galbatorix... no matter how evil they are.

I still don't see why he can't bring back Brom, or Oromis, and use magic to turn them good, and if he does bring Brom back, I can't see him trying to murder Eragon. Or Oromis trying to kill him.

Haha ya maybe we been a little off topic? idk tho can Eragon raise the dead? as of right now not a chance - but im just saying if perhaps he were to learn the means to, then find an alternate way to gather the energy such as when he asks Oromis whether you could gather the energy from the sun which would be an almost infinate power source then possibly he could maybe he learns this from Tenga, who's "looking for the answer, that will bring light to the world".

Okay, he wanted to know how to raise the dead. In Book Four Eragon might have the power to turn spirits, or shades, good. And do you see my point about if Eragon does bring back Brom, Brom probably wouldn't murder him. And also Eragon might need spirits, or shades, to take Uru'bean or to kill Galbatorix.

Then how was Arya able to let the spirit that they met, know that it was Eragon who let the Spirits out of Durza? and afterward she claims that they were very pleased, thus making the Golden lily. That right there shows Clear communication so i dont know where your trying to come from saying that its impossible for Eragon to communicate with them.

In exchange for the news that Arya brought the spirit, it made a golden lily.

Communication

I see what you mean. Shades can't be fully evil there must be good in them.

no neccesarily a shade, by definition is a spirit that has either been forced into a body of a person such as the case with Varaug, or when the spirit has been summoned improperly, technically i assume that they would hate being bound and forced into slavery by the spellcaster, thats what im trying to say however. if eragon were to say please inhabit my body till this ordeal is over and you are free to leave at any time so he's not forcing anything on the spirit merely making a request.

It says in the book that she was talking really quick while pure ectasy filled her countanence. She even says to Eragon that she informed them of his deed when Eragon asks what she told them. Please do some research before you comment.


I swear I smell a troll around here somewhere...

Theres as much time as CP wants to put in (if i remember correctly he's the one writing it).

And i have no need to deny it because spirits are hardly ever talked about at all these are all inferences. Also i already know that there is no mention of what you say: see i can give you a page number and a quote if you would really like, and i already know that you cannot do the same to back up your "theories".

I've posted my theories with so much more concrete evidence than quite a few people on this site, something that yes i do quite a bit of research on, so when someone comes on and says something like "shades are bullies so Eragon cant raise dead people hmmph" then yes i do tend to get a little defensive of my position.

Hahahahahaha next time try catching the sarcasm i throw out.

And your right people that have read the series have the same tools that im using, but some people dont use the tools to there best ability, like using a screwdriver to hammer a nail.

And im sure you do have other "debatable" material, and i've seen and proved most of it to be bunk and fluff.

In Book Four, Eragon will be older, his power will increase, and he can take energy from his surroundings. There must be enough power there for Eragon to raise the dead, even if they are evil! I forgot about the bit where Arya talked to the spirit, but thats another point, she talked to a spirit.
Eragon WILL be able to raise the dead, in Book Four. CP made Eragon ask Oromis to know how to raise the dead, so it must appear again, when he needs spirits, or shades. And also they can't be fully evil, or how did Arya talk to the spirit.

@Saphira 12
Thats what im trying to say perhaps he finds a way to harness the energy from somewhere else (like the direct source) for example the sun, what if thats what Tengas looking for. Harness the sun/light = Near unlimited power.

Don't forget Eragon is a dragon rider, the elves maybe powerful magician but they're just elves. It would put a good twist in the book if Eragon does find away to summon spirits, without killing himself. Bringing up the dead has been in all the Inheritance books so it must come up again in Book Four when Eragon needs to summon up the dead. For what reason I do not know, but I think he WILL be able to raise the dead.

I think he will have a chance. I'm not giving up on Eragon yet. At the end of the day I think Eragon will be able to raise the dead. His power will get stronger in Book Four, he could also take energy from all of his surroundings and there are other things he could take energy from, after than he should have enough energy to raise the dead, even if its just one person.

I also do not think spirits or shades a purly evil as Arya managed to communicate with one, in Brisinger, I think, and made some sort of deal with it.

Yes, but I still think Eragon will be able to raise the dead, not matter how evil it is.

I still think he'll be able to raise the dead. If he can't how can Galbatorix? If Eragon has the same amount of energy as Galbatorix, (with his twelve elves, Gleadr's heart of hearts, the werecats could give him energy in Book Four and all of his surroundings), then he could raise the dead.

I've read the books five times.

Where the hell did Durza come from, someone must have created him!

Just like Varuag at the end of Brisingr, they summon the spirit into a live man.

Whatever, but I still think Eragon will be able to raise the dead, and I am not going to change my mind.

Not asking you too haha i personally agree with you i think it's feasible that he could (not now of course) but maybe we'll see it in BOOK 4!!

Yes, I think 'raising the dead' will play a big part in Book Four. When it comes out I'll try and prove them that Eragon can raise the dead. Either that or they're right and I'll be wrong.

@murtagh haha ya that's usually how it is, i hope your right i wouldnt mind seeing a little bit of necromancy in book 4

I WILL prove them wrong! I haven't given up on Eragon yet.

I am not sure... a good question though.

@gomenesigh

What!? that question doesnt pertain to this at all, because if you go by what the elves believe there is no god. And if you wanna get real pratical then what about those that worship hell grind. Theres so many different religeons. It's impossible to tell if any of them are true.

Yeaa, no religeon has only been talked about loosely so theres no reason to bring it in.

Would you say using magic is godlike? i sure as hell would. Being able to do anything just by uttering a few words.

@gomenesigh
It wouldnt make him bad, thats like saying Jesus was horrible person because he was using divine powers. Its ALL about the person that uses those powers, Eragon is a fantastic person he would never abuse his power for self gratification.

Eragon is wise with his powers and he wouldn't use them to do evil things. I am not sure if raising the dead would make him god like, but I see where gomenesigh is coming from, but using magic doesn't make Eragon god like, and raising the dead is also a form of magic... so...

Eraggon would only ever bring back his closest of friends, not anyone. He also knows the dangers of raising the dead.

Which is why i think if he were to "raise the dead" it would be for a learning purpose a "one time thing" if you will. I highly doubt he would do it for anything else, such as bringing back a loved one. The only person that I imagine him raising in the case of a loved one would be Garrow, and if so it would only be to apologize for the pain he caused.

When I say closest friends I mean Brom, Oromis and Arya if she dies. Maybe Nasuada and Orik, if they die to, which I highly doubt.

No, I don't think Eragon would bring back other peoples close friends. He'll tell them that it's dangerous for him to bring back the dead and they'll accept that.

You can not raise the dead. Why? Because they are gone and their bodies are buried and presumably Grid. There is a reason to why people dies. It's the end. You can't just take that away.

Those who are dead, they are dead. At best Eragon might be able to see a spirit of a dead one, but nothing more.

But in Book Four, Eragon might need the dead for a life or death situation. I still think he can raise the dead, in Book Four that is. He has twelve spellcasters, Gleadr's heart of hearts, he could take energy from the land around him, and more.

gomenesigh is right. There is not even a spell to raise the dead.
Magic and death is two different things.

At most we might se some spirits of Brom and every one else in the ROK. But nothing more. As Brom said, the dead are dead.

How did Durza come to be and the spirits which Arya saw and all the other things from the realm of the dead.

You think Eragon can't raise the dead, I think he can. I understand what your saying but I still think Eragon can raise the dead.

I know all the energy Eragon has would just suddenly go when he try's to raise the dead, but the fact that he spoke to Oromis about raising the dead, and raising the dead has been in all the Eragon books, make me think that it will play a part in Book Four. And Eragon might find a way that can make him raise the dead without all of his energy being zapped.

@gomenesigh
Yo get off his back its clear your not going to win this one with him, this reminds me of Bill o Reilly. Let him believe what he wants to.

@ The Imposter
I think theres going to be a instant in this next book where raising the dead will be discussed. Other than that i just dont know.

I think there will definitely be some of the dead being raised in Book Four, there has to be - It has been in all the Eragon books and it will definitely be a big part in Book Four.

This is not only a question about energy. The fact is that there is no spell or any other way to call the dead back.

One can simply not call a loved one back to life in exchange of energy.
It don't work like that. Life and death is not some kinde of an expensive supermarket. The dead don't live. They are dead and therefor you cant call them back like that. Even their boddies are long gone. They are a part of the earth.

So how can Eragon call a dead person back when he A: Don't have enoygh energy and never will. B: There is no way to call them back. C: Eragon is not some kind of God who even should be alowed to control the dead.

You live and you die. And when you die, you die.

@ the librarian Not all the bodies will turn to earth, Remember in Eragon when Brom is killed he is encased in diamond and Saphira states that his bod Will not be ravaged by time. If he were to raise somebdy this is who it would be, if were going by "logical sense".
Also who's to say if Eragon were to get control over the Aincent language itself? that he could not perform this.

Okay, he asks to summon spirits, but there must be ONE way for Eragon to raise the dead. If there isn't your telling me that whoever try's to raise the dead would die... how comes there's spirits, shades and other brought back things in Alagasia then?

I still think Eragon can bring up the dead... somehow.

That's a good thought... there must be a way for Eragon to bring back Brom or someone though. Couldn't Eragon create a spell that stops his energy from being zapped when he raises the dead?

...I still think he will be able to raise the dead...

How? And why Eragon?
Besides the fact that he is a rider there is nothing special about him. Why would he be given the power or choice over life and death?

Technically there's been no actual proof on either side of the debate that he could or could not do it. Besides that, there's always an exception to every rule.

Also, though the title of the thread is "Can Eragon Raise the Dead" it's not suggesting that Eragon would be the only one who could, it's asking if he would happen to be a person who could do it. If he could do it, it wouldn't make him special, it would mean that he's one of a few skilled sorcerers who could do it.

Maybe in the right (extreme) circumstances he could actually do it. Maybe he could do it with obnoxious amounts of help. Maybe he can do it without thinking, maybe he could do it standing on his head with the aid of a magic fish named Phish. Maybe he could do it in a box with a fox after eating green eggs and ham. Maybe if he had a thousand other sorcerers backing him up he'd be able to make an honest attempt.

The question isn't whether he would or will, it's whether he'd every be able to, under any circumstances.

We've never seen a spell labled "This spell can raise the dead" but then no one's seen the whole entire ancient language, which has as many words as any other spoken language or perhaps more. There's probably a configuration of words in there somewhere that could do it. But that's not the point, it's whether Eragon himself would be able to do it if it was possible.

Not whether it would be good or bad, godlike, wrong, right, whathaveyou. But it's about whether or not he would be able to if he tried. Any applying factors counted, could Eragon do it? Again, not saying that he would be the only one who could do it, but the question isn't if Murtagh or anyone else can raise the dead, it's if Eragon can do it, but that doesn't single him as if he could do it would make him the only one who can. Has nothing to do with him being more special or not than anyone else.

So, do you think he could, or do you not believe it? Why or why not? Claws in their sockets, dragons and gentlemen, we're not trying to have a dogfight over ever question :D

Well there MUST be a way for Eragon to get around the problem of his energy being drained when raises the dead. Anyway, I am not going to change my mind, Eragon can raise the dead.