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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Aeraldi, I need to agree with you. There is no black and white proof or 100% certainty of Brom being Eragon's father.
This has always been only my speculation and theory since day one. I don't think Paolini is that much of a novice to just include it in black and white. Nevertheless, he was smart enough to have planted the seed of doubt in the reader to take for face value Morzan's paternity. This came up in Eldest, which compliments the premise in Eragon, where Brom explains to Eragon the deal with the Ancient Language, elves and their half truths.
HOWEVER, if you read between the lines, and begin to question events, conversations and the likes, you will most likely can come up with the theory too!.
Remember, part of the fun of unfinished series is speculation, guessing what will happen next, deciphering hidden meanings and red herrings. I personally think, and I don't shove it down anyone's throat, the Morzan's paternity business is a red herring.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I, on the other hand, like to shove it down like a 12-gauge. XD
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
That is so you IMNC!!! You are a very, very vindictive person; Shame on you!!!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
thanks so much Annie.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Also thanks, and while I don't try to force my opinion on to others I at least make them re-think what they believe to be right. Which is what I hope to do with this following post.
IMNC I found at little piece of info that was randomly thown in yet has nothing to do with the story. I quote from pg 398 of Eldest
Now Oromis smiled. "Why indeed? I must point out that we ourselves are not the source of magic. Magic can exist on its own, independant of any spell, such as the werelights in the bogs by Aroughs, the dream well in Mani's Caves in the Beor Mountains, and the floating crystal on Eoam. Wild magic such as this is treacherous, unpredictable, and often stronger than any we can cast."
Now do these locations that Oromis has said have any implications on the story? No, they are just random tidbits that help the scene. Very much like the blind beggar in Angela's shop. Meaningless.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Does it surprise you that CP likes to throw around made up names??? It doesn't surprise me. And that is part of a LESSON. You get taught random facts ALL THE TIME. If Oromis only taught the really important, bare bones stuff, it wouldn't seem authentic, would it? Now a werecat taking interest to a blind beggar is a different story.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
It is no different, it is no different that CP wanted a third person in between Eragon and his mother when he was getting his fortne told. It is no different to having Oromis saying several different places which may look or sound interesting but have no impact on the story.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Well, sometimes writers through in stuff like that to either make the story more realistic or to add in something big and make it sound trivial. Trust me, it's been done before. So, in other words, you really don't know about any of that added stuff until the end of the series.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
not really murtagh had to only believe that morzan was their father but it doesnt have to be true
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
We need to keep in mind that the conclusion of both Eragon and Murtagh being Morzan's sons are coming to us through second hand. The twins found the thoughts about Selena in Eragon's mind when he was tested by them. They then relayed the information to Galbatorix, who was the one who made the connection and assumed Morzan was also Eragon's father. Galbatorix then tells Murtagh who does not question the matter for whatever reason. In conclusion, Galbatorix, the Twins, Murtagh and finally Eragon accept this premise as truth. For this reason they are able to speak it in the Ancient Language; they all BELIEVE it to be the truth. Key word, BELIEVE.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Well looking at these arguments leads me to beleive that Brom maybe Eragons father but Christopher Paolini is a genius when it comes to keeping people guessing leaving things out there to make the reader guess good writing on his part i know we can all agree i also think the reason saphira hatched for Eragon is because of family Brom=Saphira blue, Eragon=Saphira blue Morzan= crimson red Murtagh= Crimson red thus equalling
family so there are many arguments possible to this but im still clueless tot eh third and final rider i mean there no leads to it, it could be arya becuz of green magic, or even Roran becuz of cousins to both (Eragon and Murtagh) unless galby had a child that noone knows about and anyone remeber his original dragons color?
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Brom...Eragon's father...*scratches head*
I don't know what to think. There are arguments both to and fro about the topic. It would fit if Brom was his father, though. So temporarily I shall think that. Why?
Because Murtagh said that the two were brothers. But step-brothers are still brothers, so he technically wouldn't be lying in the AL. If he didn't specify that they were pure brothers, then the AL has a gap in it. Or at least that's what I'm believing now.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Well, seeing that there will be another book after Brisingr, I am starting to believe that we will not have the answer to our question until the final book. Talk about milking it,
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
(yes im back) Well all the evidence is there you just have to see it. CP is very good at keeping readers guessing.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Garrow is eragons father, garrow raised him. end of story. its an interseting debate though as to eragons biological father. i personally think its morzan but there are a lot of interesting hints as to broms love life.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
stop fighting everyone!! we will not know until brisingr.or possibly even the 4th book...that might take mayb 2 yrs!!! (I hate this 'being patient' buisness!! )
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Aww but guessing is all we do to pass the time. Besides, I will be caugh in handcuffs before CP announces that Brom is Eragon's biological father. The fact that Eragon is Morzan's son gives CP choices in the story to give Eragon another identity crisis, where he will have to decide whether he will slowly fall into Morzan's footsteps or break away and embrace his revelation that Garrow is his father.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
We're not fighting, we're having a nice debate ^^ I do agree that being Morzan's son is an interesting twist in the plot. But being Brom's son has so many hints...I don't know what to think! *slaps head in frustration* I guess we can say there's evidence for both sides right now, and nobody can completely be sure right now. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait till Brisingr. But the trouble is, I can't wait!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
WHOA! That's one theory I had not heard! Garrow, Eragon's father?
Then again, the information given to Eragon about his mother was through Marian's deathbed.
So there is a possibility here; though why would she manipulate the truth just when she's dying......? Hmmmmm, Idk!!!!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
if brom IS eragons father then it would make sense that saphiras blue and so was broms dragon. But murtag said in the ancient language that morzan is eragons father. so there
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
AnnieBee wrote: We need to keep in mind that the conclusion of both Eragon and Murtagh being Morzan's sons are coming to us through second hand. The twins found the thoughts about Selena in Eragon's mind when he was tested by them. They then relayed the information to Galbatorix, who was the one who made the connection and assumed Morzan was also Eragon's father. Galbatorix then tells Murtagh who does not question the matter for whatever reason. In conclusion, Galbatorix, the Twins, Murtagh and finally Eragon accept this premise as truth. For this reason they are able to speak it in the Ancient Language; they all BELIEVE it to be the truth. Key word, BELIEVE. Sorry to have to quote myself, but it's too much to write. This post was in the previous page and I think it's pretty much self-explanatory.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
AnnieBee wrote: AnnieBee wrote: We need to keep in mind that the conclusion of both Eragon and Murtagh being Morzan's sons are coming to us through second hand. The twins found the thoughts about Selena in Eragon's mind when he was tested by them. They then relayed the information to Galbatorix, who was the one who made the connection and assumed Morzan was also Eragon's father. Galbatorix then tells Murtagh who does not question the matter for whatever reason. In conclusion, Galbatorix, the Twins, Murtagh and finally Eragon all accept this premise as truth. For this reason they are able to speak it in the Ancient Language; they all BELIEVE it to be the truth. Key word, BELIEVE. I completely agree that it is believing that counts. after all with Eragon's poem thing Oromis was surprised that he could speak it. Eragon said that he could do it because he belived. on the other hand why would Brom say that Eragon had more right to the sword than him?
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
That could go in different directions.
Brom could have said that for a few reasons:
1. Eragon was the new Dragon Rider and would need the sword as a DR. 2. Brom had no use for it, since he was not a DR any more and his dragon had died. 3. He knew Rhunon had taken an oath as to not make any more swords. (Remember he went to her when he lost his.) And the DR's swords had special qualities. 4. Eragon as his son, and the new DR, would need one to learn how to use it effectively. 5. Or he could really be Morzan's son!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I am going to laugh so hard when all of this is over, and the questions are answered... Especially if IMNC shows back up, we'll never hear the end of if he's right. Ever. I changed my mind, I think Morzan is his father. That was a big enough shocker right there, and I don't think it would fit the story right. But i'm just a lightweight in this boxing match.
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September 16th, 2008, 8:45 pm |
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I agree with all 5 reasons...although I really want Brom to be his father (Brom was in love to that woman's undoing after all) I'm just the kind of person that has to look at all the evidences first ....who knows except CP himself
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
OH Kotorchief, HONEY, if it turns out Brom IS Eragon's daddy, You will never hear the end of it from IMNC AND ME!!!!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
If Brom were Eragons dad it wouldn't matter who was right becaus e it would probably be revealed at the end of the book. then we'd be beating our heads on a table is frustration because we dont get the details. CP's books are good AND annoying. Personnaly i think Brom is Eragon's dad. but that doesnt change whats going to happen. However if its true ill either sit back and smile or create a whole new forum entitled HA I WAS RIGHT.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
LOL!!! I see I'm not the only one besides IMNC, who thinks Brom is the daddy.
But you're probably right. We won't know until the last book.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
as do i
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I just cannot imagine why on earth the 3rd book extended to the point to make it into two. So annoying!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
yet we can only look forward to it.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
AnnieBee wrote: I just cannot imagine why on earth the 3rd book extended to the point to make it into two. So annoying! Annoying? Oh come on, I'd say it's marvellous! More of CP's geniusness ^^ (is that even a word?) Back on subject, msot of the clues point to Brom as the father, but was CP just trying to mislead us with those hints? Or is he purposefully leaving huge clues for his fans to figure out? I think he's trying to mislead us, although the Brom theory isn't bad to me!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Yes, I think it's annoying. This because I had the mind set that after such a long wait, all the questions would be finally answered. Guess not!
Anyway, I know there is no black and white evidence in the books, just that "in between the lines" kind of thing. Who knows if we'll find out in this book!!!!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I hope so. But then again with all the clues givin by CP we'll be finding out about a LOT of new things. Brom is just a small part in a BIG world.
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I for one want to find out if Brom is the dad, and I want to see that Eragon finds someone else. Not Arya!
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
Even though this is the wrong topic....It's going to be her though! It's the only person that makes sense! DR, not as clear
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
What about Arya?? Anyway we shouldn't get into anything new i mean the book [i]is[i] (unless a nuke destroys the copies) coming out in about 14 hours (if im not mixed up which i probably am.)
Any way i just want to find out WHO IS ERAGONS real dad. But saddly (unlesss CP wants to) im afraid it will only be revealed in book 4.
We'll all be happy in a few hours but we'll probably have to wait a few years for book four if CP takes as long to write it and get it out as he did for Brisingr.
I might not be on for the next few weeks (Brisingr more important than forum) so until then...
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_________________ Murtagh Forever!!! but seriously the guys dead...
What happened to Sef?! No!
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September 19th, 2008, 1:52 pm |
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AnnieBee
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Re: Brom is simply NOT Eragons Father
I still need to find out who is the real father, like, PRONTO! *sighs*the wonders of DNA. If I could only slip it through!
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September 19th, 2008, 3:58 pm |
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