Hey wouldn't it be kind of unexpected if Roran and Katrinas baby is the new rider

it is possible,but its more likely to be arya.

Ya probably. I just thought it might be kinda cool, but it would also be a major setback.

I've said this theory in another topic:

No one agreed with me >.> I do still think that in the epilogue greenie will hatch for his kid =D

Ya but It would be a setback because Eragon needs another rider to help take down galby or murtagh

It would be a setback. Also Roran and Katrina's kid will not even be old enough at all. It will have just been born.

thats what Im trying to say!

I read heard that there is a possibility that the new rider could be one of the two strangers that Angela read the dragon knuckles for while Eragon was in the Varden camp. Also, I don't think it will be Arya because she already has such a huge role in the books and is already a big help, plus it would complicate things between her and Eragon more than it already is.

No it wont be them CP already said it would be someone from the first two books...

it would take too long for Roran and Katrinas child to grow up enough to be helpful, he/she could be a rider.. in the future, but it wouldn't be part of the main storyline. I only remember something saying that there are hints in the first two books about who the next Rider will be, it could be anyone obvvious, it could be that Orik will be entered in the pact (doubt it) and can become the first Dwarf rider, it could be Nasuada.. or Angela.. or one of Eragons bodyguards, one of the slaves (highly doubt it) ...there are too many possibilites.

why, though? i hold fast the fact that i think its gonna be Arya.......
isnt what this whole story is though? Complicated? Why not just a bit more????

You're right,it might be her, we wont know until it comes out, will we?

it would bue wierd for her to have two dragon marks, wouldn't it?

The only problem I see with that is she won't listen to anyone. If she became the new dragon rider, there's a chance that she will turn to galby out of spite for eragon

I believe that it is obviously going to be Arya. She has emerald eyes, emerald (green) magic, and she has to be the rider of the green dragon, possibly and plausibly using Talheim (the green rider's sword).

Another note, just judging by how literature always works, Paolini will play off of Arya and Eragon's roles with each other. Eragon defeated Durza because of Arya, and Arya defeated the shade in Brisingr because of Eragon's help. It'd be insane if it wasn't her.

The only other believable outcomes are Orik, because it would increase the sense of unity of the dwarves in the war, and Elva. However, if they were to be of any use in the war it'd have to be Arya, because she already knows magic, etc.

Eragon's love: Arya. His dream shows two riders and two dragons leaving forever, possibly Arya and Eragon.

What CP has said.

1. CP has said that the rider will be "logic inevitability"
2. CP also mentioned that he hopes it will be a surprise 2 years ago.
At the time, the book we know now as Brisingr was supposed to be the final book of the series. Paolini decided to separate that book in two. Before Brisingr came most people didn’t though that it would be Arya. It was Roran. But after Brisingr was released, people have considered Arya much more likely, not just because of the events that took place in the book itself but Paolini's explanations of some of those certain scenes since then.
3. The rider has to have been in all three books so far.

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In the matter of logic inevitability

Roran:
1. Roran has his family to live for. That would ruin his life with his family, causing him to outlive his wife (his entire world) and his child. Then his possible grandchildren, etc. Depressing much?
2. Then he could not be King, which is probably the leading theory under Roran - no immortal Rulers.
3. So far, his characterization has been developing his physical strength and leadership skills. No diplomatic skills or magical skills. If you were to use the stone argument, it could easily be countered with this - his failure at learning/using magic could be there to show his path will not be a magical one.
4. Is human - very strong, but only for a human. Could not compete with Galby or Murt.
5. On the "Rider blood" argument - blood is no real argument. CP has said that dragon does not choose because of families. He don’t even share that what you then should call rider blood. Brom-Eragon Morzan-Murtagh. Roran has no conection there.
6. We have no time to train him. How many books did it take Eragon to reach his current strength? We would need to teach Roran the customs of Riders, how to preform magic and control energy as well as the AL itself, etc. Not time.
7. Wields a hammer, not a sword. It’s a diffrent fighting skill.
8. Due to the above, he is not really "logically inevitable," no?

Orik:
1. He is a King. No immortal rulers, no? At least, not of a mortal race. Dwarves = mortal.
2. Yeah, he is also a Dwarf. Dwarves are not in the Pact, and there is not currently enough power to recast it. And honestly, why would it be recast now? In a time of war? Silly.
3. It would cause him to out live his wife/possible children as well.
4. Yes, we all know that he rode Saphira. But he didn't really seem too comfortable with 90% of the time. Yeah.
5. Size rations, anyone? He coulden’t even reach a Urgal from the back of a dragon.
6. Would require magical training.
7. Not "logically inevitable."

Angela:
1. Based on CP's sister as a kind of joke - she was obviously not meant to have an extreme role in the books. Like, I dunno, the Rider who will help save the dragon race and defeat the evil Empire.
2. Can use magic, but is very weak when it come to magic use. So she would still require magical training, which would make her weaker than all other Riders in the IC.
3. Is human - normal strength.
4. Does not fight with a sword. Minor, but still.
5. Is not "logically inevitable."

Nasuada:
1. She currently is leader of the Varden. That is a big enough responsibility in itself, yes?
2. She would require training in magic and as well in how to use a sword.
3. Is human - normal strength.
4. On magic, she loathes the stuff. That would cause a kind of conflict of interests, no?
5. Not "logically inevitable."

Elva:
1. Currently (physically) about 7 years old.
Not to mention that she is literally only about 1 year old.
2. No sympathies - why would she fight for the Varden at all? It would take some doing just to convince her to be on the "good side" (bleh) in the first place.
3. She would require training as well, both magically and with a blade.
4. Again, human. She could not compete physically just by her race, not to mention her age.
5. Unpredictable, to put it mildly.
6. Not "logically inevitable."

But let’s take a look at Arya.
1. The dream in Deathwatch. Two people, a man and woman, boarding a ship while two dragon circle above. Now, most think this is Eragon departing the land with the other Rider, their two dragons flying above. This, if true, indicates the Rider is female.
2. Eragon is in love with Arya, Greenie and Saphie will likely be mates. Fits together.
3. She requires almost no training, as we don't have time to train a new Rider.
4. She is elven and female. The other Riders are human and male. It evens it out a little bit.
5. As an elf, is of superior mental and physical strength - and with one book to go, this is definite advantage.
6. Green. She has green eyes, green magic, etc. CP has said that there was clues in the books about who the next rider will be.
7. CP is trying to put her and eragon on even footing. They have the same strength magically and physically, or close to it, both are Shadeslayers. So making her a dragon rider would be the last part.
8. She has been in all three books.
9. CP stated in an interview that book IV will continue Saphira, Eragon and Aryas adventures.
10. She IS "logically inevitable

There is no one else other than Arya who can be the next rider.
//The Librarian

I can't believe that that whole thing made sense... but Arya is in the back of everyone's mind. CP would probably get stoned if it's not her. She is the most likely contestant for the egg, but remember, it is still in Galby's possession. that means eragon will have to steal the egg before arya can get her hands on it, or the new rider will be one of galby's own. that would be the worst day of many people's lives if that happens.

If Roran and Katrina's kid was the new dragon rider, well that would cause complications, but would be interesting....
I think it's way to obvious for Arya to be the next dragon rider. Yes, it's I very likely, but I think it would be better if it's someone no-one would suspect.
I did think it may be Elva, considering her blessing from Eragon and dragonmark, but my if I were the one writing the book, it would be Katrina. It's someone that no one would think of, and she has a good heart and all, so why not?

Their kid can't be the next rider. He/she was obvioud not in the first books, and make no sence so what ever.


caterpillar!! You do understand that you are admiting that sje will be the next rider? You don't argue agisnt her by saying that she is obvious. You are just admiting that she is tho only one who make sence.


How would that be better!? Obvious writing is so much better than bad writing. Do you want to see a weak rider wining through luck or what?
It would be horrible to see a weak rider do stuff who he/she shouldn't by all means of logic be able to do. I don't want to see Galby dying because he fell over a rock. And Eragon can't win alone. And a weak rider wouldn't be any help.


That has NOTHING to do with being the next rider.
And why in hell would a dragon hatch for a weak, cursed, two year old human freak?


That tells me that you wouldn't make a good author. No offence but honastly? She couldn't do anything to help them win. Ignore it if you want but she would always be to weak! No author with a working brain would make her the next rider =/


For a good reason. It's stupid....


I tell you why.

1. Many people has a good heart. That dosen't mean that all of them will be the next rider. No? And that means that this dosn't matter!
2. She is a human. Would always be to weak!
3. She would outlive Roran and her kid. Something she NEVER would like to do.
4. There would never be enough time to train her.
5. Due to the above she is NOT logic inevitability!

And this is what CP has said:

1. CP has said that the rider will be "logic inevitability"
2. CP also mentioned that he hopes it will be a surprise 2 years ago.
At the time, the book we know now as Brisingr was supposed to be the final book of the series. Paolini decided to separate that book in two. Before Brisingr came most people didn’t though that it would be Arya. It was Roran. But after Brisingr was released, people have considered Arya much more likely, not just because of the events that took place in the book itself but Paolini's explanations of some of those certain scenes since then.
3. The rider has to have been in all three books so far.
4. CP has said that he has putted out clues in the books of who the next rider will be. And the only thing that can count as clues ther is the constant refering Arya to the colour green. [The colour of the egg]

loking at this we can see that she can't be the next rider because she is NOT logic inevitability and that there is NOTHINg that points to her.

You can have your own opinions and I respect them, but for the love of God, your dreams/wants/hopes does not count as evidence!

//The Librarian

Maybe the new rider, if not Arya, eragon will probably let them use glaedr's HoH so that they can become a little stronger with two riders at their side: glaedr, and eragon and saphira.

Glader can only give them extra energy. Any human would be to weak in strenght, to slow in the matter of speed and their magic would be weaker.
It has to be an elf. And Arya is the only elf who has been in all 3 books.
And besides that she is the only one who is logic inevitability.

How is that bad writing? Just because it's unexpected doesn't make it bad. For some people like me it will be more interesting because it throws a twist into the story. You just say it would be bad writing because it wouldn't be exactly what you want.



Again there you go. You cannot have a civil debate with anyone without having to constantly insult them to gain ground. And if no moderator is going to do something about this than really they are not doing their jobs. People can have opinions. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong or stupid it makes you wrong and stupid because you don't care about anyone's opinion but your own.

So... You are saying that it would be better to see Galby fall over a rock and smash his head instead of having a good realictic fight in the end?
And I'm not saying that it's bad only because I think so. Unrealistic writing has never been counted as good. You can have luck in a battle sure, but honastly.... I want a reall, good, realistic, epic fight in the end.
Not some imature unrealistic battle. But that is only my view of course.
If you want to like that, fine by me.



Oh, for the love of God! Stop taking the moderaters job. If I was breaking the rules they would have warned me. And the reason they don't warn me is because I follow them. I never said that a person here was stupid.
But I did call an idea based on nothing for idiotic, yes. But here is some news for you. There is a difference between an idea/dream/hope and a living person.

And even if you don't think so, I acctually respect all opnions. The one I argue agianst is the ones without facts, evidence or any reall information to back them up. So please stop think of me as a person who don't give a **** for others opinions, because frankly I'm quite sure that I'm better than you in this matter.

That I'm being a jerk is another thing. but I do follow the rules.
So what do you say about stop preteding to be a mod?

Acctually it does. It's wrong to insult a person and that is why I don't do it.
And idea on the other hand is not a person.


This feels very unnecessary since I've alredy admited that I am a jerk.
But then of coures it's not like you actually read through what I say =/


So being a jerk mean that I think I'm better than every one else.
I didn't knew that before, so thx for the information. To be honastly I thouth that being a jerk meant that I was a jerk....

And here is a funny thing. The thing I hate most in the IC is the idea of NxE.
I often come into very bad arguments with the NxE fans. But one of my best friends on IF is a NxE fan and I have no problem with it at all!
The ones I have problem with is people who think they are right without having any thing at all to back them up.
Take you for an example. I have nothing agianst you personaly. The thing that bothers me is that I haven't seen anything to back up what you have said.


Think that if you want.
And as I said before we had to breake up since her family moved to the states. And if you don't mind, please don't give a **** about that or mention it. I still love her and I stll miss her!


I have never said that I was a girl you mup. But I know that there isn't almost any different at all between a boy and a grild when it comes to love. Both are human beings. That I know since I have seen and felt it.


Seriosly now. You don't have to belive me if you don't want to, but I do respect all opinions and have no problems with what people like. Please do me the favor and look at what post I have acting like a jerk in. You will see that I only do it to posts with nothing to back it up.


I never siad that you said that. I had a ? in the end. That means that it was a question.



And I explaind why it wouldn't. Arya is the only who is strong enough.
And that is why an unexpected rider would be worse. They can't do anything to help.


It has. Do you honastly that Eragon can defeat galby alnoe? Galby is the person who defeated the riders at their prime of power you know. And he has only grown stronger. Eragon will lay the finnal blow but he can not deafeat galby alone.


The reslult would be bad. How do you expect Eragon and a weak rider to win over the strongers person in Algesia?

As I said in the other topic I will ignore you due to your lack of evidence and so we don't start to hate eachothers

Fact speak much more than personal hope.

What CP has said.

1. CP has said that the rider will be "logic inevitability"
2. CP also mentioned that he hopes it will be a surprise.
At the time, the book we know now as Brisingr was supposed to be the final book of the series. Paolini decided to separate that book in two. Before Brisingr came most people didn’t though that it would be Arya. It was Roran. But after Brisingr was released, people have considered Arya much more likely, not just because of the events that took place in the book itself but Paolini's explanations of some of those certain scenes since then.
3. The rider has to have been in all three books so far.
4. CP has said that there is clues in the books about who the next rider is.
And the only thing that can count as clues for any character is the constant referring Arya with the colour Green. (the colour that the egg has)
5. CP has said that book four continues the adventures of Eragon, Saphira and Arya.
He didn’t just said Eragon and Saphira. He also said Arya. Take it for what you want.

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In the matter of logic inevitability.

Roran:
1. Roran has his family to live for. That would ruin his life with his family, causing him to outlive his wife (his entire world) and his child. Then his possible grandchildren, etc. Depressing much?
2. Then he could not be King, which is probably the leading theory under Roran - no immortal Rulers.
3. So far, his characterization has been developing his physical strength and leadership skills. No diplomatic skills or magical skills. If you were to use the stone argument, it could easily be countered with this - his failure at learning/using magic could be there to show his path will not be a magical one.
4. Is human - very strong, but only for a human. Could not compete with Galby or Murt.
5. On the "Rider blood" argument - blood is no real argument. CP has said that dragon does not choose because of families. He don’t even share that what you then should call rider blood. BromEragon MorzanMurtagh. Roran has no conection there.
6. We have no time to train him. How many books did it take Eragon to reach his current strength? We would need to teach Roran the customs of Riders, how to preform magic and control energy as well as the AL itself, etc. Not time.
7. Wields a hammer, not a sword. It’s a diffrent fighting skill.
8. Due to the above, he is not really "logically inevitable," no?

Orik:
1. He is a King. No immortal rulers, no? At least, not of a mortal race. Dwarves = mortal.
2. Yeah, he is also a Dwarf. Dwarves are not in the Pact, and there is not currently enough power to recast it. And honestly, why would it be recast now? In a time of war? Silly.
3. It would cause him to out live his wife/possible children as well.
4. Yes, we all know that he rode Saphira. But he didn't really seem too comfortable with 90% of the time. Yeah.
5. Size rations, anyone? He coulden’t even reach a Urgal from the back of a dragon.
6. Would require magical training.
7. Not "logically inevitable."

Angela:
1. Based on CP's sister as a kind of joke - she was obviously not meant to have an extreme role in the books. Like, I dunno, the Rider who will help save the dragon race and defeat the evil Empire.
2. Can use magic, but is very weak when it come to magic use. So she would still require magical training, which would make her weaker than all other Riders in the IC.
3. Is human - normal strength.
4. Does not fight with a sword. Minor, but still.
5. Is not "logically inevitable."

Nasuada:
1. She currently is leader of the Varden. That is a big enough responsibility in itself, yes?
2. She would require training in magic and as well in how to use a sword.
3. Is human - normal strength.
4. On magic, she loathes the stuff. That would cause a kind of conflict of interests, no?
5. Not "logically inevitable."

Elva:
1. Currently (physically) about 7 years old.
Not to mention that she is literally only about 1 year old.
2. No sympathies - why would she fight for the Varden at all? It would take some doing just to convince her to be on the "good side" (bleh) in the first place.
3. She would require training as well, both magically and with a blade.
4. Again, human. She could not compete physically just by her race, not to mention her age.
5. Unpredictable, to put it mildly.
6. Not "logically inevitable."

But let’s take a look at Arya.
1. The dream in Deathwatch. Two people, a man and woman, boarding a ship while two dragon circle above. Now, most think this is Eragon departing the land with the other Rider, their two dragons flying above. This, if true, indicates the Rider is female.
2. Eragon is in love with Arya, Greenie and Saphie will likely be mates. Fits together.
3. She requires less training, as we don't have time to train a new Rider.
4. She is elven and female. The other Riders are human and male. It evens it out a little bit.
5. As an elf, is of superior mental and physical strength - and with one book to go, this is definite advantage.
6. Green. She has green eyes, green magic, etc. CP has said that there was clues in the books about who the next rider will be.
7. CP is trying to put her and eragon on even footing. They have the same strength magically and physically, or close to it, both are Shadeslayers. So making her a dragon rider would be the last part.
8. She has been in all three books.
9. She IS "logically inevitable

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CP has even said that Arya was special trained by Oromis for many years.

No he is not short. The transformation gave Eragon the shape of an elf. Not the shape of a short elf. We can safly asume that Eragon is one of the persons bording the ship for the following reasons.
1. Two dragons in the sky and two elves are boarding. = Two elven dragon riders.
2. It was eragons dream. Why would he dream a dream where is isn't involved? He is not the man on the beach becuase that was a man and not an elf.
3. Angela siad that Eragon was meant to leav Alagesia. I didn't matter what he does. He will leave.


In Eldest yes. In Brisingr he matured and his feeling developed.


Asuming! You know nothing. You are by foar the most ignorant person I ever have seen. Have you ever seen or heard one single intervew from CP?
Stated both by CP and in the books: Saphira is the LAST female dragon.
That does mean that the green egg has to be a male since there are no more females! Why do you argue when you know next to nothing!?


Wrong once again. Arya was special traind by Oromis in both magic and swored for many years. Her traning is by far better than any one else.
She don't need to train in sword nor magic. And she alredy know many of the rider secrets where one of them is to drain enegy from your sourundings.
And all the others are humans! Humans are weak. Neither one of them can magic and we don't have the time for a nother Eldest book to train them!


You can't be that ignorant.... Elves = superior in speed, strenthg, knowledge, wisdom, magic and every thing else.

Brom him self said that no human could hope to defeat even a weak elf.
= pure fact!


But only for a dwarf. And the dwarf are not even in the pact!

But every one of them lack the speed, strenght and magic.
There is noe rome for a nother Eldest book....


But she is the only one who is both constanly erfared to the colour green and ary a logic choice. But of course, you will ignore that too...


CP said that he HOPED that it would be a suprise TWO years ago when every one thought that Roran would be the next rider.

Roran is strong physically and mentally, but he can't deal with emotional strain if he has to leave Katrina again, as a rider, adn also they are expecting. It's hopeing to be swometime in the future, maybe.

No matter how funny that was it proves that you don't know much.
And still are you arguing and for some reason thinks that you are right.
Based on nothing.


What we do know, is that she neither has the strenght or speed of an elf.
And as she her self said, she has problem with even the easiest spell.
That is why she preferes herbs.


Becuae I have to. I was what he said. I can't "forget" to post thing only becuase I don't like them. That was apart of what CP said and I couldn't just ignore it. Facts are facts.

the new dragon will be green, right? so, maybe it should be Arya because i feel like she has some kind of "green" magic, if that makes any sense. it's just a random thought...

It would be good if orik was the next Rider... a dwarf rider. But I don't think it will happen as he can't use magic and when he did ride Saphira with Eragon he didn't enjoy it.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking, kvista. I think it has to be Arya. most of the information points towards Arya. I agree with The Librarian about Arya for the next rider.



Thanks Librarian for not making me right all that out.