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What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
In Brisingr we learned that a person's true name can change if they change their character.
My guess is that Murtagh's true name will change in the final book.
As I view it, there are only two ways for Murtagh to really redeem himself to the point that his true name can change as a result of these actions.
The first one would be for him to deliver the third egg to the Varden.
The second, to do as Selena did, but give the Varden information in writing, not by word of: the ways to get in and out of Galbatorix's crib. give information as what is he up to give information as to where Galbatorix keeps his HoH chest and things like that.
That's the only way I would change my opinion of him and so would all Alagaesia. But in the end, he will die!
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October 7th, 2008, 9:58 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Help to kill the king without even knowing about it (so that the oath cannot work)
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October 7th, 2008, 10:20 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I think if he gave the eldunari's he has to the varden he could be.
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October 7th, 2008, 11:47 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I agree with you all re; Murtagh and the egg or hearts of hearts, or getting info to the Varden about how to defeat Galby. I think that besides being basically a good man, he still thinks Eragon is his full brother and he will also resent the fact that Galby took over his body to kill Oromis. But I think that the most important change to his character will come through his relationship with Nasuada. If anything can change a person, Love can.
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Sadly, I do not think Nasuada and Murtagh will end up together.
Nasuada will end up alone and Murtagh will die.
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October 12th, 2008, 12:23 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I hope not!! It's likely, though
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October 12th, 2008, 1:06 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
apart from what everyone said he may also be redeemed by releasing shruikan from the dark magic that bound him with galbatorix. I hope shruikan will be good again and secretly know glaedr.
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October 12th, 2008, 6:42 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
That would be interesting
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October 12th, 2008, 7:35 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Let's see if I can actually put into words the reason why I dislike Murtagh's character sooo much and what I think may happen.
I was taught early on that living was a matter of constantly making choices. We make choices from the moment we wake up to the moment we are part this world. Some choices are simple, others are not and will not be easy. Some will be determined by the circumstances surrounding us and others will be determined by how we want to deal with those same circumstances. I do not want to be a prude by saying I always make the right choices. I'm human and I such I err. But I do try to live by the values which were instilled in me since I was a child.
I understand Murtagh had a very hard set of circumstances surrounding his life early on. However, there was this one moment, (when he decided to run away from Galbatorix) that he realized what Galbatorix really was. My personal thought is that he should had ended his life when he had the opportunity to do so, before Thorn hatched for him. He had no way of knowing this would happen. I would have rather died then live my life under the control of a mad person who would use me against thousands of innocent people, to execute and end the lives of people who had done nothing, but object the cruelty perpetuated against them for not agreeing with Galbatorix.
The fact of the matter is that Murtagh was " too sweet on life" to make this choice. And we see him say this a couple of times in the series. Then we see as under Galbatorix's influence, Murtagh actually enjoys his power. That he also states a few times. He even acknowledges being "more powerful than what Morzan ever was." He ridicules the dwarfs, the elves, the murdered Riders, Brom and everything the rebellion stands for.
He wants out, of course her wants out, but if Eragon ever has the opportunity to help him change his true name, he is still doomed. In regards to Oromis, he was "being controlled" by Galbatorix???? I don't know, I think once Galbatorix released the hold he had over him, he struck out of anger. Anger of certainty of Oromis being a Rider and not revealing himself to the world, thus, being able to help him. In Eldest, he killed Hrothgar on his own volition. We learn this event in this last book. Why kill him? Hrothgar did not even get to talk to him while he was alive. Did he just want to show off how powerful he was in magic? Errrr, Wrong choice, but kill him he did. (Two important murders under his belt.)
At this point of the story, I see Murtagh trying to set responsibility of his lot in life to everything and anyone who would have meant for him to be a free Rider. (Poor deranged dude)
The only way I can see for him to change his true name is as I said somewhere around here. To do as his mother did; 1) tell Eragon where the 3rd egg is and how to get into said place to retrieve it; 2) and/or giving the the Varden all the necessary information on Galbatorix's Eldunari's depository, helping rescue them. Even if Murtagh does all this, he will continue to be in the same place as he was when this all started. -distrusted for being Morzan's son -hated for being Galbatorix's puppet -distrusted and feared he would turn against them once more.
The best thing for him is to die. He will never be happy or have peace. For this reason, I am inclined to think he's the man who stays behind at the beach in Eragon's dream from the Deathwatch chapter. (just my humble theory and thoughts).
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October 12th, 2008, 3:55 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
LOL thats quite a few reasons u have there. although it seems to me as if those points gather sympathy towards murtagh and thorn as opposed to hate.
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January 1st, 2009, 11:07 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
that was quite a long speach and it makes sence but darkm98was right it dose lead to simpathy and not hate i think but you are right the real only way to completly redeam himself is to kill galby then himself
he did not have to kill hrothgar but he did because he likes power so you are right
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January 3rd, 2009, 8:08 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
i hope that just helping eragon to kill galby/get the third egg/reveal the location of the vos will be enough, i rly dont want any more dragons/riders to die (except for galby he can go die in a hole; i do however hope shruikan can somehow become good, cuz he did nothing to deserve this)
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January 4th, 2009, 10:56 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
i think that he will redeem himself as he dies. i think that he will get in the way when galby is about to finish off eragon, which will give eragon enough time to kill galby.
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Well, i think ( and I don't happen to have any great ideas) that maby eragons dream about leaving alagesia is about him and riser of green dragon going after murtag(sp?) to try to bring him back, like the only way to break the "bond" is to leave and eragon and whoever else go to try to stop him and bring him back, or maby they are trying to capture and kill murtag(sp?)
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
um what?
but i think that murtagh will kill galby after he changes his true name and that will be just before galby chops off eragons head then murtagh will cut off galbys head
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February 18th, 2009, 11:32 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Murtagh is too far gone to change any more. In the last book we saw he has given up hope and I think Galbatorix has taken all precautions as he saw what happened with Selena to let his most prized subject get away from him. In Eragon's dream we see a man screaming on the shore. I think this is Murtagh, who survived the final battle with Thorn gone. Unlike, Brom however, I think Eragon will have defeated him and with the help of the elves and/or the next rider will bind his magic, through Eragon learning the true name of the ancient language. Murtagh will suffer Sloan's fate to wander to some far off place alone and to have to live with the demons of his past.
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February 26th, 2009, 12:12 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I doubt Thorn and Murtagh will die, because CP said in interview that they will have a much larger and more important role in book 4.
I think they will escape and deliver the green egg to the Varden.
February 26th, 2009, 12:42 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Just, because they have a larger and more important part, doesn't make them good characters. Now I could be wrong about it being Murtagh and it being Galbatorix, but I don't think so. In the end as I said Eragon will leave with a woman and two dragon's flying overhead, if Murtagh goes good he would have been mentioned in the part as leaving to, as he would not let his young brother leave without him. If Murtagh does betray Galbatorix he will die. IMO he is a survivor and no matter what he will do what is best for him and Thorn. He won't help the Varden until he is sure he can get away from Galbatorix, which I don't think can happen.
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February 26th, 2009, 1:03 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
what???? Murtagh could cange his true name Eragon, Saphira, Arya and some other dragon could die leaving Alagaesia and Murtagh could teach the new rider.
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February 26th, 2009, 1:07 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
*Sigh*Yes he can I give you that. Now, with all the thought after Murtagh finding a loop hole, Galbatorix made sure Murtagh could not be free again. I think that he would have done what was said Galbatorix would have found a way to have an alarm if you will if Murtagh changed his true name and would capture and hold him again until he could figure out his new one. Galbatorix will not let his most important servant get away. It is the sad truth for Murtagh, but I don't see him becoming a free man anymore.
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February 26th, 2009, 1:37 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
he could sneak eragon in
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May 27th, 2009, 11:48 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
he could sneak eragon in, and they could both leave. i hope that happens.
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I think murtagh will help kill galby and be redeemed and eragon will train him and the new rider.
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July 17th, 2009, 6:22 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
ERagon never said that he will kill murtagh just ill avenge hrothgars death
but to himself he said that he will kill murtagh before he knew it was murtagh
But i dont think that he will let murtagh go after killing Oromis and gladur he will be super super ticked and stab murtagh through the face the do the same to galby but then de capatate him and trap his soul in a gem and then throw it to the bottom of the ocean so he can be terrorized for the rest of eternitey
that is the only fair punishment that or capture him let shrukin mate then torture hem to the brink of death then give him a long nurturing recovery then torture to the brink of death and repeat it over and over again then finaly use an old rusty dull sword and slice it verry so slowly overhis neck so he is in unmeasurable pain while being wipped untill he dies
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September 13th, 2009, 2:09 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
1. From what we know of Eragon's character he won't torture anyone. 2. You can't remove anyone's souls from their body. When the body dies so does the soul the one exception is dragons who souls die when the eldunari 'dies'.
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Eragon wouldn't kill Murtagh. He is his half brother and they used to be friends. I think that either Eragon will be captured and Murtagh will help him escape, or Murtagh will help Eragon get the last egg.
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February 12th, 2010, 2:23 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I think that Murtaugh might help Eragon get the last dragon egg, change his personality therefore changing his name in the AL and will no longer be under Galgy's control. Also Murtaugh may be the one to kill Galbatorix.
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I think that he should turn good again before the final battle.
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February 13th, 2010, 4:42 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
i hope so too but then he would have to do something that isnt included in his oath to galby so he might not be able to redeem himself
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April 13th, 2010, 2:42 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
it would be nice to see a little tragedy, not just drama. murtagh was very unlucky throughout his life and shall die , but not by eragon's hands
April 13th, 2010, 8:58 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I don't think Murtagh should die. Sure he's had a bad life, but he should have a good one in the end.
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April 14th, 2010, 12:44 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
well, in eragon's vision there were 2 dragons in the sky. one of them must be saphira, i think you all agree with me on this one. and the other dragon, i think, is greenie. i know he will hatch because CP said that on the cover of book 4 will be a green dragon. that means he will hatch so he will be the one in the sky. as thorn isn't one of the 2 dragons, he must be dead.
April 15th, 2010, 7:36 pm
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
Well Thorn can die and Murtagh can live. Murtagh might be the figure on the beach.
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April 16th, 2010, 1:46 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
maybe but i don't think thorn will die and leave murtagh helpless. i don't think cp is that cruel to kill thorn and make murtagh suffer even more. or to kill thorn and leave murtagh at the mercy of the people of alagaesia.
April 17th, 2010, 4:01 pm
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I don't think either of them will die.
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April 18th, 2010, 2:03 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
We also have to remember that Eragon's (or anyone's) visions of the future are not 100% accurate. In eldest, Arya told Eragon of an elf that had a vision he would kill his son in battle, and then killed himself to prevent it from happening. Likewise, if something happened to change what otherwise would have been the future, it could change. So let's say that Eragon's vision was based on the fact that Murtagh was working for Galby, if he redeemed himself, that could change the future. CP also said this in an interview on shur'tugal.com. (and probably explained it better than I did )
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October 14th, 2010, 7:27 am
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Re: What do you think Murtagh can do to be redeemed?
I think he should die. his betrayel is unforgivable...
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