Who is the blind beggar? I must have forgotten him.

The Blind Beggar was one of the three people, counting Eragon, that could talk to Solembum. Its a theory, but there is a lot less evidence on him than on Brom. I think it also may be possible that Brom WAS the blind beggar in disguise. But otherwise, a writer does not pop in a random fact of info, he/she leads into it with small pieces of evidence until reaching the conclusion. Therefore, it is safe to say that there is a huge amount of gathered evidence on Brom being Eragon's father, yet there is none on the blind beggar. I'd say the chances of Brom being Eragon's father are 75%. But remember, CP can go on the internet, and I'm sure he has seen all these theories. Since he would most likely want to surprise and thrill us, he wouldn't choose something boring that everyone has already theorized. So it is also likely that someone else could be introduced.

I agree with the Brom theory anyhow. Theorizing with evidence behind the theory is better than making stuff up, like things that COULD happen. Anything COULD happen.

75% chance only?!?!?
Come on , there's at least an 80% chance.
Anyhow, you must remember that CP is not making this up as he goes along. No matter what people are thinking he'll stick to the story he thought up when he was 15. If he has in his mind that Brom is Eragon's dad he isn't gonna change it just because its a popular belief.

Opinions are good!! And some of them are more true than others, including Brom being Eragons father.
CP probably did it to make people think. He did a preaty good job of it to if you ask me. By the way the series is called the Inheritance cycle. Murtagh inherited his father's sword. The weopon under the Menoa tree is likely Brom's sword so Eragon will Inherit his FATHER'S sword.
Brom is most likely Eragon's dad. Live with it !!!

That's a possibility but i say NO!!!
Join the Dark side NOW!!!! Brom is Eragon's DAD.
JOIN US!!

Lol. Yeah, I forgot about the blind beggar, and there is a chance that he is Eragon's father, but I just don't know. You'd have thought that Brom would've told Eragon, but that is, of course, the wonderful magic that books do. They leave you hanging and then surprise you.

Yea!! CP wants to keep people wondering so that when the new book comes out tons of people will buy it to see what happens.
He's a brilliant author!!!
By the way theblind beggar theory is quite good.

Yes, but u must remember that Solembum doesn't tell everything to Angela, plus The blind begger if he was Brom might hav asked Solembum not to tell Eragon.
Who knows?!
Its all oppinions!!!!

Yeah, the blind beggar seems like a possibility, but, like many others think, I don't know if he's Brom. Why would Brom try to pretend like he was blind?

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That's for CP to no and us to find out.
Anyway I don't really believe it, I just want people to see both sides of the argument!!

I don't believe it at all! I have read all three books and I don't want to give away anything so I simply won't say anything more!

Well, CP gives book tests to BIG fans. Brisingr might be one but I doubt it. He'd have to pay SOOOOOOOOOO much.

Actually, it could be riten already. First, he needs to have it tested to make sure its exiting and so that he ncan find any mistakes. Then he has to edit it , so it could be.

Yea!! He'd hav to be like, a MILLIONARE!!!!!!!
IMMPOSIBLE!! He's lying!!

he has 2 be lying!!!!!!!! unless...he knows CP personally and got a copy from him...that could b possible but i HIGHLY doubt that...

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CASE CLOSED!! he's DEFINITELY lying.

well that was fun!!
Now back to the topic, which was...

Well, thank you Judge Judy and Lawyer Joe for covering the obvious. Notice how he hasn't even replied to any of this. However...

It's much too early for an ARC Annie... the only one I really believe has read Brisingr is SaphireSoul.


ok, so who of the newbies believes that Brom IS Eragon's father?

Hmmm... well I still believe the idea that Brom is Eragon's father. But Brom is awfully old to be his father, but then again my parents are old.

Notice that the books never say how old Selena was. By the way Morzan was older than Brom and was maried to Selena so age really doesn't matter.

Not true read Eragon again and u'll see that they're maried.

I can do better than that, I can use your evidence against you. "...my MOTHER..." murtagh said this. plus Morzan maried her so that he could use her as a tool or else why would she stay?? She only fled to have Eragon, and then came back. Plus Murtagh referd to Morzan as his father. By refering to both Morzan and Selena as his parents that implies that they are maried. Also, Morzan saw that he could have a servent who would not betray him. Why woulldn't she betray him if she wasn't maried to him. Your evidence is not hard evidence, it can be interpreted any way.

Again that isn't hard evidence. Morzan found out Selena loved him. Read the book. And Annie this is a different world. If they were married it would hurt here even more to see that here husband didn't love her. Plus, a "dutiful mother" would not let her son be injured by a man that wasn't here husband. She would run away with him the first chance she got. And no matter how much she loved him, if they were not maried, she would not like the fact that he said when she could see her own son. Like I said, she would run away with him the first chance she got. However, she was maried to Morzan and couldn't do this, so the best she could do was save a son that wasn't Morzan's but that was her's...Eragon!
See? Your evidence, my friends, can be interpreted any way u want to interpret it.

And u are using it to suit your line of thought. The point is, your evidence can be used either way which means it doesn't prove that they are not maried. Also, think about it, is Selena in the 21 century: NO
Is Alagaisia the same as our world: No. So why are do you keep refering to it?? Plus Selena most definitely had time alone with Murtagh. She could have planed an escape easisly just like he did. The problem is, you don't consider any other peoples point of view, so you think you know CP's mind. Also Aeraldi NEVER said Murtagh loved Morxzan, he said the exact opposite. Here's my last crushing question: ARE YOU CP?

Why are you even ASSUMING that they were married? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that! There's much more to suggest that they were NEVER married, such as the fact THAT MURTAGH NEVER SAYS THEY WERE MARRIED!!! He would have mentioned if Selena was actually Morzan's wife. All he said was 'servant'. She's the mother of Morzan's child, not his wife. They don't correlate.

no,they werent married,cuz it was incredibly secret,NO ONE knew about it,except galby and a few choice servants to guard the place

anyways,i have a quick question....i really dont want brom to be the father,but how would morzan have ANOTHER kid with selena after murtagh?

did everyone forget that murtagh was like a year or 2 older than eragon?
that means that after she escaped (cuz she did run away,right?),shed have to have come abck,and uhh...well ya know....with morzan again,to have eragon.

doesnt add up T.T

i think i just ruined my whole theory of how brom wasnt the father....damn..T.T

Ok, giv me hard evidence and i'll believe bu.

me? evidence to what??
the fact that they werent married??

uhh i think its either when murtagh tells eragon hes his brother,or when murtagh first tells eragon morzan was his father

i think its the second one (sorry my books r in the car,dont feel liek getting em xD)
he describes how the birth happened and whatnot,and yeah,it says that it was a secret place,where almost know one could find them and whatnot

I don't think that Selena and Morzan married, neither do I think that Brom (if truly Eragon's father) married Selena. In other words, Selena was a slut! No, JK! That was a rude thing to say, but I had to. She was probably just like many women are today, confused with who they really love and for what reasons they love that person.

yeah i really doubt they married too

but what im saying is,selena HAD to have had eragon with someone other than morzan...i hope its not brom tho T.T

yup,dont forget my friend,annie wields a ban hammer xD

*on-topic*

well,what if its not morzan,and i hope its not brom,does anyone have any other ideas as to who it could be?

It has to be one of the two! Otherwise why would there be a 20 page arguement? I favor Brom because I like him but after going through some of the ideas posted I think it could be either. I suppose it could be the King? That would be funny, but of course I have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

heh.thatd be anything but funny xD

well,it cant be morzan,we pretty much ruined that theory,and i really dont want it to be brom,cuz eragon'd be crushed,as would i T.T

so WHO?! I ASK YOU! WHOOOOO?! >.<

Here ya go: Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing." So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

Well, at the very least, she was killed. Maybe not caught, but found out. Remember Annie, I'm just copying and pasting and that was like my third post! XD

wait,how long was she gone for??

cuz in that time her and brom would have had to umm...conceive eragon..

and,honestly,after morzan,id be scarred if i was her,i wouldnt want a man for a long long time...

so,list of events?:
1.Selena courts Morzan,she falls in love with him
2.She and Morzan umm...get her pregnant? lol
3.She has Murtagh secretly,with few people knowing about it other than Morzan and Galby
4.Morzan abuses Her and Murtagh
5.Selena flees
6.I suppose she gets ill??
7.Now heres the tricky part....she would have had to go to carvahall,get with Brom,and get pregnant,yet again
8.She has Eragon
9.She returns to Morzan and dies in 2 weeks...


okay....something doesnt add up,does it?
how old is murtagh,exactly? anyone know??

well,how old he was when they first met lets say,cuz eragon had just turned 16

it just seems incredibly far fetched...


pg.369 of Eragon,murtagh tells eragon hes morzans son,and he tells him about the scar on his back,he says that he got it when he was Three....
so lets see here,murtaghs a little older than eragon,by what? 1 or 2 years i think?
theres no way selena could have 2 children below almost a year apart...im guessing hes 18 when eragons 16...

so she must have been gone at least 2-3 years...during that time,murtagh lived alone with morzan,and he laid open his back with his sword....
so selena would have had to have fled off to carvahall,and then she would have had to sleep with brom...=/ i just dont buy it >.<

everyones been talking about the blind beggar,and tbh,it makes sense and all,but hes just TOOOOOOO minor of a character for me to believe that :/

and its solembum btw xD

well,to catch you up,people have been saying the blind beggar is brom...i think i cleared that theory,but im not shur exactly 0.o

yeah,like...,if his father was Jeod thatd be cool,but the blind beggar gets 1 line in the whole story >.< Jeod was a minor char,but he got a few chapters in him,and a lot of references too

im just saying i think even CP forgot about the blind beggar >.<

No, no, no!!! If I am not mistaken, Murtagh was 3 yrs old when Morzan almost killed him. I just cannot go into details now, cause I am about to turn into a pumpkin, but I will give you the theory we have in regards to the Morzan, Selena, Brom triangle another day. I am past my bedtime.

The "blind beggar" isn't a minor character. It's a little clue that you have to pick up on. There were only three people whom Angela has given true fortunes to: Eragon, Selena, and the blind beggar. That means that the blind beggar is important in some way. The blind beggar is a hint at things, not a character to be seen later.

@IMNC:hmm...still,if he had been important,he would have been talked about more...again it was too minor of a detail

@Annie:yeah,i said he was three xD and what were you saying no,no,no to?

If you believe what you said to be true, than you don't understand CP's style of writing at ALL. >_> It's FULL of such subtleties and small clues. Nothing is 'just a minor detail'.

>.> here we go again <.<

please,give me some super minor detail like that that blew up into a major case

GL,cuz i REALLY doubt that you can find one >.<

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Yes, but as i'v said on another forum, if the blind beggar is Brom, then he wouldn,t hav his fortune told because Angrla would find out they are one and the same. Think about it, if their fortue was the same, Brom's cover would be blown. You got to think out side of the box.(what the box is i do not know).

Oh sure. And a dragon rider wouldn't have the skill to act like a blind beggar? Besides, Solembum didn't have to say ANYTHING to Angela about concealment.

Yeah, I bet that Brom could fool Angela and if Solembum knew, he could've kept it a secret. It makes sense.

reference is nice... it's been months since I've argued ANYTHING! XD

ok. Let me rephrase what this is: it is hidden, but obviously important in one way or another. Solembum only takes an interest in people with magical abilities and important roles. As a werecat, he can discern these things. Then they had their true fortunes told, which is extremely important in itself. Now, Angela forgot Selena's fortune, but she never said she forgot the Blind Beggar's fortune. That could be important in the future. Now, if she were to tell this Blind Beggar's fortune to Eragon, that could be an important piece of information. Now, why would some RANDOM blind beggar have magical ability and an important role? A random blind beggar WOULDN'T! So the logical conclusion to pull would be that this "blind beggar" ISN'T so random. Now, we don't know of any blind beggars and I doubt that some blind beggar will become important later. How many blind beggars ever become important?! Not that many. So most likely, the "blind beggar" isn't really a blind beggar, but someone in disguise. Now, we already know that Brom had his fortune told. Besides Eragon, only the "blind beggar" and Selena had their fortunes told. Angela was SURE of Brom's future. We know that the only sure way to find someone's fortune is to use the knuckle bones of a dragon, which Angela has only used three times. Thus, the only recipient of Angela's true fortunes that is unknown is the "blind beggar". Thus, it is logical to extrapolate that the "blind beggar" was, in fact, Brom.

I just wanted you to say it. Do you know WHY the Blind Beggar didn't want his fortune told? Because he already had it told! XD

That's pretty much implied, Annie. They get themselves involved in important events, so to do so, they get themselves involved with important PEOPLE. They don't just talk to random passerby's.

Hehe, my plan worked. Now this forum is FINALLY back in the heat of the argument. And (i cant believe im saying this) I HAVE to go with IMNC. Why would Angela think the Blind Beggar is special?? He was singled out to be one of only three to have the dragon bones used on his future!!! Angela must have had her suspicions so he refused.

actually, I was bluffing about the beggar having his fortune cast by Angela, but that doesn't downplay the importance of it. CP doesn't put random stuff in important places. Why would CP even write about the "blind beggar"?! That, of itself, would not be important, so one must conclude that there is something beyond that which is easily seen. This was no ordinary blind beggar. This "blind beggar" was involved in important events of one sort or another. Now, how many blind beggars are ever involved in important events? Near 0. Thus, the "blind beggar" is probably not a blind beggar at all, but someone else.

But CP does put in little bits of info that don't have any real difference on the story. Why in Dras-leona Eragon sees a auction where they're selling slaves and he notices the man bying the slaves and the actual slaves. I'll find the quote. Ah, page 256 of Eragon.

The crowd laughed, and Eragon ground his teeth with fury. His lips strted to form a word that would free the slave, and his arm, newly liberated from the splint, rose. The mark on his palm shimmered. He was about to release the magic when it struck him, He'd never get away! The slave would be caught before he reached the city walls. Eragon would only make the situation worse if he tried to help. Eragon lowered his arm and quietly cursed. Think! This is how you got into trouble with the Urgals.
He watched helplessly as the slave was sold to a tall, hawk-nosed man. The next slave was a tiny girl, no more than six years old, wrenched from the arms of her crying mother. As the auctioneer started the bidding, Eragon forced himself to walk away, rigid with fury and outrage.

In this passage there are many small details that are forgotten such as thr hawk-nosed man, or the small girl that was wrenched from her mother's arms. Small facts that could be construed as something greater but are really meaningless.

That is what we call DESCRIBING THE SETTING. He doesn't put pointless things in with REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF.

I'm just more use to using caps than italics. I'm not YELLING, just EMPHASIZING and telling people to take me seriously. lol. Annie, you remember my first generic welcome?



lol. good times...

And Annie... never say 'yo' again. lol.

Annie, show me an unimportant detail sandwiched between that amount of important stuff and I'll be more inclined to agree with you that the 'blind beggar' is unimportant. As it is, a werecat taking interest in a blind beggar is too far from ordinary for me to think that the beggar is an unimportant detail.

How long have youall been arguing about this and "Does Arya secretly love Eragon"?

@Kotor: probably since day 1 I joined. lol.

@Annie: Now what are you talking about? What contest? What poem? Was that even in one of the books?! I don't have the slightest recollection on the subject.

yeah yeah yeah. We both know that, but what about this 'blind beggar'? I just can't put him off as a random detail.

uh... that WAS an unimportant detail. That's why they asked it. It was hard to find or remember. This is different, since it's stuck in the middle of Eragon's prophecy. The poem was a description of what he was studying.

Hmmm... well I have a question. Is there any proof that Brom is not Eragon's father, since that is what this forum is all about?

LMAO!!! There's NO proof. Just Murtagh's WORD. That is meaningless. Galbatorix is a MASTER at manipulation.

I think Brom and Oromis are a lot more credible than someone who is getting their information from Galbatorix, the evil villain. Brom's and Oromis' intentions are GOOD. That's the difference. Even if Galbatorix thinks that he is good, he is still deranged and manipulative.

Well, Oromis isn't always right. Since there are gods out there, it shows that he like the rest of the elves was wrong. So not everything Oromis says is credible, but I do think we can rely on a lot of it.

they weren't wrong. they just don't worship something that they don't know exists for a fact. They, in modern terms, would be agnostic.

Guys!!!! We're drifting a bit here! Let's get back on topic

ok. so, in conclusion to our tangent, Galbatorix's word can not be trusted, but Brom's and Oromis' can.