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Post What are the 7 words Brom told Eragon?
Hey I was thinking, what if the seven words Brom told Eragon was Galbys true name and that's why Brom died. Because I remember someone in the book saying Galby has a spell on his true name to make whoever says it die.

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If it was his true name, Brom would have died right after saying them, but no, he had enough time to translate them and a little conversation afterwards.

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ya but i remember it only said it killed the person it never said automaticly

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Yeah, but I wouldn't want someone to have any time to use my true name against me, I would want them to die instantaneously..

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true but it doesnt matter. What could someone do in like 5min anyway.

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With your true name they could write it down. They could kill you. They could force you to do their will. So nothing at all really. *Smacks head in disbelief*

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Hehe. ^^

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what are you laghing at! :x :x

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Your stupid comments and my very witty response. *smiles smugly*

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that wasnt very witty there was only like 7 words. SO HA! :D :D :D

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You do know which post I am referring to don't you. It was this one..

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With your true name they could write it down. They could kill you. They could force you to do their will. So nothing at all really. *Smacks head in disbelief*


It was supposed to be a humorous post which is why thepoopkid3 posted

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Hehe. ^^


The second comment was also a joke but you didn't seem to get that either.

By the way none of these posts have been on topic so were probably going to get hammered by the mods sooner or later...

Which comment where you saying wasn't witty and had only 7 words. NONE of my post have less than 7 words.

This is just here because I find it funny.

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i never posted that last quote!
On Topic: Yes but what use would writing it down be if it kills whoever says it dies. Im also pretty sure people dont carry around paper and ink.

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Ummm.. Galby's true name only kills you if you say it so if it is written down you could have common warriors say the name and provide magical protection for them. when one survives you will know how to use Galby's true name without being killed and so will be free to use it against him. You could also just write the name down tracing it in the ground or scratching it on a rock.

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but you would not now if it is his true name for sure unless you said it and you could feel it but then it would kill you.

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If you come across the body of someone who was killed by magic who has written down "this is Galby's true name _______" you would be fairly certain that it is his true name.

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yes but you said earlier it kills you instantly so he would not be able to write it down unless you mean that he writes it down and says it if he dies its his TN but if he doesn't he just messes up wat he wrote

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*sigh* ... *sigh*
Couldn't it be like me going "hmm.. I believe i've found that bastard's name"
(Me) - "Hey AluminumClock" *He comes into the scene*,
(Me) - "I think i found it" *Writes it down on parchment using a quill*.. *Says it*.. *Dies*..
AluminumClock now knows it his name.

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o.....k......? so what your saying is why can it be like that. :?

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You said, nobody would be able to write it down afterwords. That they would have to say it to prove it and it was impossible, but it would work with a team effort. (I provided a situation)

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ok but i think i said something like that earlier.

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the words could be a spell :?: :?:

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I doubt that galbys true name just happens to be a spell that kills the user because brom or oromis said that galby put the spell on his TN to make who ever says it die.

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but who said that the 7 words were galbys true name????????????

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Me. It was a theory.

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it is more likely to be a spell because sloans true name was only 3 words ,suggesging that true names are only 3 words long

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There is no proof that true names are only three words long. I think that it is Eragon's true name.

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i also think its a spell or it could be the location to the VoS but eragon needs to translate them before he knows where it is but thats my threoy

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What???????????????????????????????????????????
I dont get what is going on.
Huh?????????????

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Brom already translated it.

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eragon+arya wrote:
There is no proof that true names are only three words long. I think that it is Eragon's true name.


It cannot be Eragon's true name. If it was, he would know.

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A way to bring people back from the dead without dieing.

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There is no way to bring someone back from the dead without dying. If those were the words Selena would be alive.

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First: Why on earth would someone sacrifice so many people for the sake of learning a way to defend themselves against whatever ward Galbatorix placed on his ture name? That would be horrible and strategicly.. well stupid, even if they are "common warriors" would you do it yourself?

Second: If Eragon discovered his true name he would know it instinctivly. He would have reacted somehow, true names by their very nature induce an instincive feeling in the person they belong to, Sloan doesn't know a single word in the ancient language, yet he knew instinctivly that it was who he was down to a spiritual level, and was agonized over it.

Third: I would imagine that the seven words Brom tought Eragon before he died are likely to have something to do with The vault of souls, or they are all death words that would have a very draining effect on Eragon through their use (thus he should only use them when he has no choice)

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Where does Brom tell him this?

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Legacy of a Rider: Page 274 of Eragon
"Then I give it to you. May the coming years bring you great happiness." He motioned for Eragon to bend closer. Very quietly, he whispered seven words from the ancient language, then even more softly told him what they meant. "That is all I can give you.... Use them only in great need."

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There ocurred to him, then, three words in the ancient language that seemed to embody Sloan, and without thinking about it, Eragon whispered the words under his breath. The sound could not have reached Sloan, yet he stirred---his hands gripping his thighs---and his expression became one of un-ease. A cold tingle crawled down Eragon's left side, and goosebumps appeared on his arms and legs as he watched the butcher. He considered a number of different explanations for Sloan's reaction, each more elaborate than the last, but only one seemed plausible, and even it struck him as being unlikely. He whispered the trio of words again. As before, Sloan shifted in place, and Eragon heard him mutter, "...someone walking on my grave."

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You must have the hardback of Eragon because that chapter in my book doesn't even start until page 397 and thank you for finding both of those parts. I think maybe Eragon forgot about the words, there have been no other mention of them.

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aye, I'm picky. I buy any book that I want to read in first edition hardcover XD that being said I wasn't sure where in other books those parts would be. I've read about Eragon using death words but that doesn't mean thats what Brom taught him.

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Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
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I don't think they are because Oromis taught him a whole array of death words and they aren't the same as what Brom told him and I can't see from what CP writes that that is what Brom would tell him on his death bed and he said use them in great need and Eragon used to use death words in normal battles.

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How about a spell that will allow Eragon to say Galby's true name without dieing. :-k

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There would be no point to Brom telling him that because Brom could have used it years ago and that wouldn't be something he would need in a time of need. Eragon could have said it right then or anytime before now.

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aye, thankfully all shall be answered in the last book.... hopefully
it could be a way Brom found afterwards that would have saved his dragon from dying, or something to that effect. bah I want the fourth book to come out..

Brom in the ancient language
"listen.. don't ever rent the second dragonheart.."

what..? that would be a time of great need...

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Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
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Post Re: what are the 7 words Brom told Eragon
Arthur wrote:
Brom in the ancient language
"listen.. don't ever rent the second dragonheart.."

what..? that would be a time of great need...


What does that mean?....

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I know you don't. I was asking Arthur, not you.

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Dragonheart is a movie, about dragons and knights set in medieval times which has one of the most aweful sequels in the history of sequels.. XD sorry I had to make up something utterly random to have Brom tell Eragon in 7 words.. so... I chose that.. lol

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What are your ideas on what the seven words are gomenesigh?

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I don't really know I haven't thought about it much. They could be the words that locate the Vault of Souls since Brom said use them when in great need. It could also be something that could break through any ward or to somehow use energy in a new way or to transport a certain something of great power. There are a million things it could be.

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I had thought about the location to the VoS, but it just didn't seem to fit.

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or could have been 7 words of the AL that nobody knows but brom but now eragon knows them

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I don't know if I've said this before, but could they be the name of the AL?

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No, because if they were Eragon would have used them already, to free Murtagh, to help Oromis, to heal his injury, there are a lot of things he could have used them for already and he wouldn't use them only in great need.

Also, if Brom had known them he would have gone to the Varden or the Elves to tell Oromis or he could have used them.

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Okay, I didn't think about that. I've found a reason of why the seven words could be a way to bring without dieing and Brom not using them to bring the first Saphira or Selina. Brom said that Eragon would always be stronger than him because if Saphira.

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Because he had a dragon in general. He has Aren which is more powerful than both of them combined. If it was a a way to bring someone back from the dead he would have done it already.

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Okay!Okay! The words aren't a way to bring back the dead. The location of the vault of souls does seem like a pretty likely thing now.

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If it was, then Eragon would go to it now and if they were, CP would mention it or Eragon would have told Oromis. If he already knew how to get to the VoS than there would be no reason for him to have to go there in a time of need.

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true but do u guys think its the seven words to open the VoS?

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I do not think so because if they were than there is no reason for Eragon to wait to go there. Brom said use them in great need and Solembaum said to go to the VoS when his strength was gone but if he already knew how to get there then he wouldn't have to wait.

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Don't know. Brom says that to only use the words in a time of great need which seems to mean that it's a spell.

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could be it is most likely that its is a spell of some sort.

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Maybe the spell can summon things and Eragon uses it to summon the last egg.

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Again, there would be no point to summon an egg when he is in great need. He could have summoned it when he knew the words and saved Murtagh or Brom would have done it years ago to save the other eggs.

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Again, there would be no point to summon an egg when he is in great need. He could have summoned it when he knew the words and saved Murtagh or Brom would have done it years ago to save the other eggs.



so true eragon would have saved murtagh the moment he new murtagh was gone and oromis may have been a different story bc it was galby holding oromis in the ending of brisingr when oromis died

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Is there any mention of the 7 words in the 2nd and 3rd books?

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Not at all. They aren't mentioned again since Brom told him.

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Eragon must not know exactly what they do. If he did know, he would have already used them.

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Or knows exactly what they do but the opportunity to use them hasn't arisen.

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If they had anything to do with destroying Galby he would already have used them.

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They could open up the VOS or be a special healing spell or magic belonging to the grey folk. When I said the opportunity to use them hadn't arisen I meant it might be a spell which would only be of any use in certain conditions.

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It doesn't seem as if magic has ever set conditions before, besides having enough strength.

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And it couldn't be a way to open the VOS, unless it was Eragon's true name.

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And it couldn't be a way to open the VOS, unless it was Eragon's true name.



ture.....i think that eragon knows the what the words do but he doesnt have the strength to use the words yet

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Well he does know what the words are because Brom told him...

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He might know what their translation is, but he might not know what they do.

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When I meant condition I meant for example if the spell was lift that rock it would be pointless to cast it in a place where there are no rocks.

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I wonder if anyone has posted this yet. If someone has, then please forgive the repetition :)


The phrase '7 words' can be translated in two different ways.

7 individual words. Such as:- The Boy With The Bow Killed Her.

Or it could be 7 phrases.
It's used in instances such as :-
I'll take your word for it.
Don't go back on your word.

And for the more religious,
The word of God.


The majority of the theories on the internet seem to be focused purely on the first translation, which allows very little room for theorizing and plot development.

But if it happens to be the second case...
The 7 words could be 7 different spells, 7 pieces of advice, 7 ways to break Galbatorix's hold on Shruiken, 7 ways to open the rock of kuthian.

It goes on and on, and I think CP intended for that to be the case :)

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It can't be the way to open the Vault of Souls,because Eragon has to use his true name to do that.

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Ithink the seven words were the name of the ancient language!


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If they were the seven words then Eragon would have full control of the language and that means that Brom would have had it as well. Eragon would have been able to save Brom at that point and he would not have had to wait so long to fight Galby and would not have lost to Murtagh. Even Eragon is smart enough to remember something that important.

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I think the main thing that we're running into with finding what the words do is why Eragon hasn't used them yet. I'm guess ing that it's something that takes immense power and he shouldn't use it unless he has to.

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i think the 7 words are not Galby's true name. They might be the name of the ancint language!!!!!


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If the seven words was the name of the ancient language then Eragon would have used them already.

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Well it has to be SOMETHING important!!!!!!!!

What do u think other than the impossible theory that its Galbys true name???? :shock: It might be Eragon's........


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you should read the previous pages. and if they were Eragon's name he should have felt something when Brom pronounced them. those words are true names for something like the ones Tenga had written in those scrolls, words that spellcasters discover during their lifetime.


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Galby might have protected his own true name but what about his dragon????? That could be a possibility....


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Brom didn't know Shruikan that well to guess his true name. i don't think they even met.

i don't know why you make such a big deal out of this. i mean 6 pages written about those words... they're just 7 words of power. 7 words that brom discovered during his long life. words like: "Eragon gazed around the chamber, searching for clues about his host. He spotted an open scroll that displayed columns of words from the ancient language and recognized it as a compendium of true names similar to those he had studied in Ellesméra. Magicians coveted such scrolls and books and would sacrifice almost anything to obtain them, for with them one could learn new words for a spell and also record therein words one had discovered. Few, however, were able to acquire a compendium, for they were exceedingly rare and those who already owned them almost never parted with them willingly.

It was unusual, then, for Tenga to possess one such compendium, but to Eragon’s amazement, he saw six others throughout the room, in addition to writings on subjects ranging from history to mathematics to astronomy to botany."


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I don't understand what Tenga has to do with this but they are definitely not similar. All Tenga has is a list of true names, not that big of a deal. Brom told Eragon something much more important and much more useful.

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what's more useful than true names? they help you invent new spells and much more. true names don't have to be true names of people, they can be true names of phenomena, objects or other inanimate things.


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you do have a good point but i still dont see the conection with tenga.....
anyway, the questio nisn't whether it is a true name,the question is:
what is it the true name of?


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the connection with tenga is that he had some scrolls with similar words as the ones we talk about. that is my theory.

and about what they mean, i don't think anyone on this forum can help you.


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i hope you're wrong... i guess we'll just have to wait for someone to come along to find out what they think... :)


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