Have you all forgotten that in Eldest, Murtagh said that He and Eragon were Brothers. Murtagh's father is definitely Morzan and therefore Eragon's father must be Morzan. Its really that simple.

I haven't forgotten. But I still am 99% sure Brom is his dad. But this is EXACTLY what Murtagh said:

"Selena was my mother and your mother. Morzan was our father. The Twins figured out the connection while they were digging around in your head."

So, the Twins and Murtagh assumed that Morzan was Eragon's dad due to only one solid fact: Selena was both Eragon and Murtagh's father. This was the only thing they knew for certain. They naturally assumed that Morzan was Eragon's father as well. Also, in the book it does not say exactly what Murtagh said when he repeated his words, only that he "repeated his words in the ancient language."
The main argument for people who don't think Brom is his dad is this: Murtagh said it in the AL. However, if Murtagh believed his words to be true, he might have been able to say it anyway. Remember how Eragon recited his poem even though it was technically fiction.

They didn't assume. Galby would never just settle for something that they assumed

they are brothers -- just half brothers.


and murtagh has no credibility and if he did he can still be wrong


and who says that galby settled for it?

and why would galby even care?

How does Murtagh have no credibility? Murtagh was forced into Galbs forces, but he can still tell the truth.

but he thought it to be true so to him he was telling the truth.

I agree. There's no way Brom is Eragon's father.

I second that ^^

How do we know what the Twins found???? THey may have found some sort of connection when digging around in his head that is know to show liniege and we jsut dont know about it.

this is the third time i have posted this:

"First, you must understand that it is possible to tell an untruth in the ancient language. You see, just because Murtagh said it in the AL doesn't mean that it's true, just that he believed it was true. That was the entire reason Eragon wrote a poem for the Agaeti Blodhren: so Islanzadi could tell Eragon that it was possible to tell untruths in the AL, if you really believed that they were true. So because Murtagh has seen no evidence showing that Eragon could not also be a son of Morzan, and because they do share a mother, he believes that Eragon was also the son of Morzan.

Now, for the extensive evidence:

P. 546

"Son and Father alike, both blind as bats".

This is about betrayal. Brom was blind to Morzan's betrayal, and Eragon was blind to Murtagh's betrayal.

Consider this quote from page 280 of Eldest: (Oromis) "Morzan was my greatest failure. Brom idolized him. He never left his side, never contradicted him, and never believed that he could best Morzan in any venture. Morzan, I'm ashamed to admit-for it was within my power to stop-was aware of this and took advantage of Brom's devotion in a hundred different ways. He grew so proud and cruel that I considered separating him from Brom. But before I could, Morzan helped Galbatorix to steal a dragon hatchling, Shruikan, to replace the one Galbatorix had lost, killing the dragon's original rider in the process. Morzan and Galbatorix then fled together, sealing our doom."

"You cannot begin to fathom the effect Morzan's betrayal had on Brom until you understand the depth of Brom's affection for him. And when Galbatorix at last revealed himself and the Forsworn killed Brom's dragon, Brom focused all of his anger and pain on the one who he felt was responsible for the destruction of his world: Morzan."

I think that sums it up.

Riddle #3 - This is the most important one

p. 546

"While two may share two,

And one of two is certainly one,

One might be two."


While two sons (Eragon and Murtagh) "may" share the same two parents (Morzan and Selena),
And one parent of two parents, the Mother-Selena, is certainly the same one parent of both sons,

One parent, the Father, might be two Fathers (Brom and Morzan) each having one of the sons.

What in the world could this riddle be about if it doesn't support the two-father theory?

One last fact: Blagden never met Morzan so he could not have been talking about him. Morzan was never blind. He knew exactly what he was doing. He was after power. Brom was the only one who was blind by his insane idolization of Morzan.

Eragon pages 281-282:

While they spoke, Saphira crawled into the cave and greeted Eragon. She was glad to see him, but there was deep sadness in her thoughts and words. She laid her big blue head on the floor and asked, "Are you well again?"

"Not quite."

"I miss the old one."

"As do I... I never suspected that he was a rider. Brom! He really was an old man - as old as the Forsworn. Everything he taught me about magic he must have learned from the riders themselves."

Saphira shifted slightly. "I knew what he was the moment he touched me at your farm."

"And you didn't tell me? Why?"

"He asked me not to," she said simply.

Eragon decided not to make an issue of it. Saphira never meant to hurt him. "Brom kept more than that secret," he told her, then explained about Zar'roc and Murtagh's reaction to it. "I understand now why Brom didn't explain Zar'roc's origins when he gave it to me. If he had, I probably would have run away from him at the first opportunity."

"You would do well to rid yourself of that sword," she said with distaste. "I know it's a peerless weapon, but you would be better off with a normal blade rather than Morzan's butchery tool."

"Perhaps. Saphira, where does our path go from here? Murtagh offered to come with us. I don't know his past, but he seems honest enough. Should we go to the Varden now? Only I don't know how to find them. Brom never told us."

"He told me," said Saphira.

Eragon grew angry. "Why did he trust you, but not me, with all this knowledge?"

Her scales rustled over the dry rock as she stood above him, eyes profound. "After we left Teirm and were attacked by the Urgals, he told me many things, some of which I will not speak of unless necessary. He was concerned about his own death and what would happen to you after it. One fact he imparted to me was the name of a man, Dormnad, who lives in Gil'ead. He can help us find the Varden. Brom also wanted you to know that of all the people in Alagaesia, he believed you were the best suited to inherit the Riders' legacy."
Tears welled in Eragon's eyes. This was the highest praise he could have ever received from Brom. "A responsibility I will bear honorably."

"Good."

Clearly Brom has told Saphira of things that he wouldn't want revealed to Eragon until he is mature enough. Eragon would undoubtedly be distraught enough after losing his mentor, and to find out that Brom is also his father would completely confuse and demoralize him at a time when survival is paramount.

Eldest page 656:

Saphira ruffled his hair with a gust of hot breath. "Just remember, whatever Brom's reasons, he always tried to protect us from danger. He died saving you from the Ra'zac."

"I know.... Do you think he didn't tell me about this because he was afraid I might emulate Morzan, like Murtagh has?"

"Of course not."

He looked at her, curious. "How can you be so certain?" She lifted her head high above him and refused to meet his eyes or to answer. "Have it your way, then."

This is an enormously important quote. Saphira is waiting to tell Oromis/Glaedr (she might have done so already) about Brom being Eragon's father. I think it's a sure bet that Oromis will be the one to tell Eragon the truth. Just like in Book 1, Saphira knows that Eragon isn't quite mature enough to receive this information.

Plus, if you look at it from a logistical standpoint, you'll notice two things: 1) Inheritance is a coming-of-age story/trilogy, and Eragon shouldn't (and hasn't) come of age by the end of the second book and 2) Christopher Paolini just dropped a huge bombshell a mere 4 pages ago that Morzan is Eragon's father - that would be absolutely horrendous writing to reveal something like that and then change it 4 pages later. This "revelation" is the big twist at the end of the novel. It's just that we'll find out that it wasn't really a twist after all.

There is a chapter in Eldest titled "Inheritance." In it, Murtagh takes Zar'roc from Eragon and claims it as his inheritance. This conveniently leaves Eragon without a sword. In the third book Eragon will get his inheritance and his proper rider's sword (meaning that it matches the color of his dragon).

We are never told what happens to Brom's sword. It is only mentioned indirectly when Eragon converses with the elf sword maker Rhunon. She mentions that there are only two of her swords left (other than Morzan's and Oromis'), and they happen to each be held by two elven families. One is Brom's, and the other is likely a green sword that will go to the rider of the green dragon.

This makes Brom’s sword Eragon’s inheritance, and this is the Inheritance Trilogy, after all.

However, there are some other questions that must still be answered. For example, why, if Brom was Eragon’s father, would he not raise his own son while both live in Carvahall? And why would Brom never tell Eragon that he was his father?

In response to those two questions: there was no evidence whatsoever to imply that Eragon would be a rider in his early life. Brom was there in Carvahall to watch over him, and he did teach his son all about the old ways. When Eragon went to Brom's to ask him questions about the riders Brom answered all of his questions. One of the best ways to teach is through stories, and in order to have Eragon learn more he had to be interested in riders and their history. I also think that if Brom said that he was Eragon's father and a Rider, Eragon would be a whole lot less likely to believe that the riders really did exist and that they had fallen. If you're told that all of the riders are dead, except that this ordinary storyteller that everyone's known for 15 years is one, the stories would be a whole lot less credible.

There's also the fact that if Brom told Eragon that he was his father, other people in Carvahall would probably find out and word of it might leak back to Galbatorix. If Galbatorix found out that the last remaining rider and his son were living in Carvahall, I believe he would have left Uru'baen and gone out to destroy the village.

Thirdly, if Eragon knew that Brom was his father, he could possibly reveal it when someone enters his head (like the twins) and the odds were reasonable (and it actually happened in the book) that the one(s) who find out that Eragon is Brom's son worked for Galbatorix. If Galbatorix found out that the newest rider that wasn't under his control was the son of Brom, he would have to assume that he was raised by Brom, and was the beneficiary of a lifetime of teaching by Brom. Since we know Brom was powerful and strong enough to have a hand in the deaths of eight of the Forsworn, his lifetime knowledge passed down to his son would make Eragon a much more deadly enemy than if Eragon was raised by a random farmer and never had any contact with Brom. If Galbatorix believed that Eragon was Brom's son, he himself would have flown to the battle at the end of Eldest, and it would have been a forgone conclusion.

And the big question: if Brom is indeed Eragon’s father, then how on earth would he and Selena have a chance to "make" Eragon?

The potential for an affair comes to mind, or for a king Arthur-type situation. Or, as we don’t know exactly how long Selena was missing from the castle ("many months" is a very unclear length of time), she could have met Brom and fallen in love with him after running from the castle. Bear in mind that around the time of Selena’s disappearance, Morzan was off searching for Saphira’s egg, which had just been stolen, so would not have been around the castle or seeing Selena at any time. And that give Brom ample opportunity to see her."

haha there you go no arguing with that. how long did it take you to type that!?!?

GASP!!! how dare he!

Wait ok onece again, lack of sleep from new years. is he saying that Brom IS or ISN'T eragons father. i think he is. ok. so we have a mass of evidence showing that Brom is indeed Eragons father, butr honestlly not much of it is solid evidence. if im not right all of it is open to interpretation.

“And the elves speak this language?”
“Yes.”
“So they never lie?”
“Not quite,” admitted Brom. “They maintain that they don’t, and in a way it’s true, but they have perfected the art of saying one thing and meaning another. You never know exactly what their intent is, or if you have fathomed it correctly. Many times they only reveal part of the truth and withhold the rest. It takes a refined and sublte mind to deal with their culture.” (Eragon 146)

So there it is, Murtagh, the Twins and Galbatorix all believed Morzan to be the father to both boys. That enables them to speak it in the ancient language. It does not necessarily mean it’s true and set in stone.

Oo I guess that makes sense, but Brom wouldn't be Eragon's father. Why would they all hide it from Eragon? He isn't a kid anymore lol

Who is "they all"
who all knows. it may just be brom and selena. Saphira may know, as stated in that very impressive and lengthy (but helpfull) novel posted on the previous page. Oromis may know (also in the long post) and really any number of people could know.
but:
if only brom knew, he didnt really get so see what i consider the "not kid" Eragon. so he wouldnt have told him. Which, if he is Eragons father, makes me think that he may have told some one else, trusting them to tell him when the time is right.

it all depends on who knows really. Eragon may not have even met the person. or the person thinks its not hte right time. Its really, to put in a word, a mess

but once again we have no rick hard evidence stating that the poem is talking about brom and Eragon. its all speculation. I personally feel that it is VERY likelly, but im just saying hta it really isnt indisputable...

yeah i get that part, but ALL of the evidence is specualation. There is not one FACT in that lng post.

(Orik is a girl???)
well here, i know hes a guy in the book...

dang i thought she was a guy! my whole world is getting turned upside down

He said that they have the same mother, he never flat out said that morzan is his father.

There isn't enough evidence on either side to prove, or disprove anything.






Orik isn't a girl. Orik is a MALE dwarf. read the second book again and see for yourself. Perhaps your thinking of Nasuada?

"King" = Boy
"Queen"= Girl
To settle any disputs

ok we are way off topic. I personaly think that its quite possible that brom is Eragon's father.

I personally think I am female.

Its possible

considering what AnnieBee said it definitely is

just a random fact i want to throw out there people. that there is no way in hell (excuse the french but is is there to make my point stronger) that the twins in their infanante wisdom...did i just say that?, could have known who the parents were of eragon unless when it was mentioned by his mother after his birth because then and only then would the information be true. there is no evedence from the twins so don't try the old line "the twins could have seen something" and that is the bottem line because i say so!

I see your point. There was no reason that could justify your swearing and mockery of the French language however

what? what are you talking about? i thought this thread was about brom and his fatherlyness...

i was not mocking the french language at all it is a way to say that i am sorry for saying a swear word if i effended anyone i am sorry and it is a place so i is not a swear word it is down in the bahamas acuatly so. now back to my oragial statement. i am glad that some people see what i am saying even though i gave ammo to the outer side.

Its swearing. Even though I am not Christian, Hell is still a word that shouldn't be said on a forum like this.

I meant it is possible that you are a female

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Grand_Cayman
this proves that this is a place therefore it isnot a swear word. now note that it will more or less likely get some soup in the mouth trust me i know ive had it happen but now that i have proved my case. i still used the word and as i said if it effends anyone then i am sorry but i willnot change my wording. ok now that i got that off my chest. im trying to think of more evedence but my brain false me right now so i will sit on it and figuare aout some thing

I totally missed your point here. Can you pls explain and pls, pls, PLS use some commas!!! Thanks!

there is also a hell, kansas. every year it freezes over.


anyways, the twins might have just made it up to give eragon emotional damage so he's less effective

Um, Pita, I like you a lot, but that aside, the above is a spam post. I think you need to check the rules again.

I know all I have are excerpts pointing towards the possibility of Brom being Eragon's father, but the more I think about it, the stronger is that "gut feeling".

lol Lord Zaragonth talked about OrikTheMighty


I think thedragonwing's long post answer it very well... that if only Brom told Eragon, and Eragon would face the twins later on, and the twins got the information from his memory, they would report that to Galbatorix and Galby would face eragon by himself in the burning plain so then most likely Eragon would die by now.. I guess it's for safety reasons.


Umm.. this is the first time I read dragonwing's long post (despite of where he got it from),, but I actually read it from top to bottom and it is actually answer your question

But nobody knew that the twins were working for Galb.

sorry, i was just speed writing. the point is that my feeling is if a word is a place, then it is not a swear word in that context. On the twins i was woundering why they would not let eragon in, and when he (the twin that gives the examanation) is none to gental, i started to wounder. until the first part of eldest. oh well fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I must agree with dragonwing, that was a very convincing argument, whether he wrote it or not. And CP did say he would reveal another family member of Eragon, but I still wonder if brom is eragons father then why didnt Angela, when she predicted his death, mention it would be that of a family member?

angela's predictions dont tell her everything about a person. they only tell her some things that she tells to the person.

Thats also true, I wish I knew for sure. It might be a year before we find out.

plus CP was probly waiting to tell us in book 3. and he was the only person that died neer that time that could be related, so he wanted it to be a surprise

blagden inclined in eldest with a riddle that eragon shares his mother but not his father so eragons father must be brom because whilst selena was away from morzan she must of had an affair with brom then had eragon adn went back 2 morzan and then die after 2 weeks

i really have no idea what to think. as i and Lord Zaragonth keep saying, THERE REALLY ISNO EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!! but all the things that point in either direction confuse me. i really think its possibble, but i dont know if its probable...

I dont care if its a place or not. All cuss words are a thing, the f word is a perfectlly naturall human action. but do you consider it a cuss word? two are gender specific names for animals. but if you got called a son of a ***** i doubt youd take it lightlly. weather you think they are or not many people consider them inapropriate, and you know that or you wouldnt have apologized, so you shouldnt put them on here. use stupuid symbols like he*@ , but leave the wod out. we may have 7 or 8 year olds roaming around this forum. then they see that and think its ok.

there is evidence for it but not enough to prove or disprove brom being eragon's father.

ok let me rephrase...
there is evendence, but no factual evidence. no solid evidence. nothing that CAN NO be disputed.

I don't think Brom is Eragon's father but an idea just popped into my head...
What if Galby made it up? I mean what if he just told Mutagh to tell Eragon that Mozan is father. Murtagh would believe it to be true because Galby did not tell him he had made it up. Why would Galby do this you ask? To weaken Eragon and his reputation. Now, obviously neither worked because Eragon got the support he needed from various people and everyone who found out that Morzan was Eragon's father kept their mouths sealed...
Still developing the idea, will write more later.

If Morzan was Eragons father...Eragon must take after Selana because Eragon is not as sick twisted in the mind as Morzan....I think the only reason why Murtagh made a deal of telling Eragon his father was Morzan and they were brothers is to get Eragon's mind going...The other reason why i do think Morzan is his father is because of the fact that Eragon and Murtagh are alike in many ways...they're both dragon riders...when they weren't they were just as good as swordmanship than each other...but i guess brom is Eragons father because he had a blue dragon named Saphira same with Eragon and they've both been in Ellsmera, and Brom knew Selana enough to cry when she died....

thats a good idea. hadngt thought of that...

Morzan wasn't evil. He just had a weak mind that Galbatorix molded for his own good. Morzan had a strong body, but he was weak mentally.

Uh... what??!! Dude, you have got to be kidding me if you don't believe Morzan is evil.
Even if Galbatorix did influence him, not molded, Morzan still chose to do what he did. If you don't remember, he killed his fellow Riders and rose to power with Galbatorix, he USED Selena, he threw his own sword at his son. OK, the last one may be, MAY be, because he was stressed out, in your opinion by Galbatorix and he was drunk. But all the rest showed his abuse of his power, his evilness and whatnot. He manipulated Selena by his own will, I doubt Galbatorix told him to do that.

I believe after all evidence that I read, including the riddle Blagden provided for Eragon, that Brom is Eragon's father. I was suspicious of it when Brom said that he knew Selena enough to miss her when she was gone. But the thought faded away as I continued and finised Eragon, and then continued to Eldest. The thought didn't even come when I read the riddle. It was only when I read what people interpreted from the riddle that the thought came back to me and I believe again that Brom is Eragon's father. It just makes sense.

The same thing happened to me! BUT I think the theory that Galby made it up makes sense! B/c if every1 heard that Eragon was the son of Morzan, nobody would join the Varden and many people will drop out, leaving the Varden weaker for the next attack. Also, I read somewhere that there was a rumour that Nasuada would be less popular in book 3 so maybe Nasuada wanted Eragon to stay and that was the reason that she lost support.

Maybe Galby made that up to make his theory more convincing for Murtagh. Im not trying to contradict any1, but I have now been convinced that Brom is Eragon's father.

In Eragon, there is proof that u can lie in the AL. In pg 339 when he was talking to Arya, Eragon thought this:

Suspicion followed a second later, but he knew she would believe him; he could not have lied in the ancient language. However, while he had said he was a friend, that did not mean he meant her no harm. For all she knew, Eragon believed himself to be her friend, making the statement true for him, though she might not consider him one. The ancient language does have its limitations, thought Eragon, hoping that the elf would be curious enough to risk freeing him.

Sry if this has already posted, I didnt come on this site for some time.

I don't see how Brom could be Eragon s father becuase when eragon did not believe what murtagh told him he repeated it in the ancient language, so i don't see how it is possible that galby could make murtagh lie in the ancient language.

Erm...... did u read my last post? Murtagh believed it, so it would be true for him, but not the actual truth.

oh...right, sorry. But even if brom is eragons father y would he hide it from eragon or he might have told saphira about it ?

I dont know. Maybe he didnt know Eragon was his son. Maybe Selena left him before having Eragon. But its only a guess. We can be certain of nothing until book 3 comes out.

I do not believe Brom is Eragon's father, because first of all, he would have "mated" with Selena in his 40's at least; does Brom not have a silver beard and grey hair; Selen would have had him at 22/3 at least?
Second, having Morzan as Eragon's father is much more dramatic and brings up more questions about Eragon's past.
And third, Paolini wont go - "Whoops, Murtagh got it wrong" - andMurtagh wont go - "Sorry for thinking you were my brother".

lol. I guess ur right...... but now i have no idea y i think Brom is Eragon's father. Before, when I thought Morzan was Eragon's father, I had this whole lot of info against me. But now when i think the other way around, i have a whole lot of info against me as well. *sigh*

here's the evidence for the 1000000th time: Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing." So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

Blagden doesn't have to have 'seen' Morzan, he has a certain future sight if you remember. He was just reciting a rhyme that, from my point of view, just popped into his head and he started blabbing about it.



Morzan couldn't have found out about it cause Selena kept it hidden from everyone including Morzan. The book says that she ran away before Morzan found out and gave birth to Eragon. Then she returned, probably to face her punishment by the hands of Morzan.
I just thought of this when I was typing the sentence before just now but what if during that time in Carvahall Brom got to know Selena and forged a friendship. Then learning about the death of her made him start his quest for vengeance.

Morzan is Eragon's father Brom cant be because he is over 100years old and I Know it and who here know's when the third book is coming out

none of us do. also, morzan was ever older than brom was. so that argument doesn't work. i feel it might be brom, as morzans is a little two obvious, not to mention blagdens riddle, how would blagden have met morzan?

morzan was a rider too so he was probably was in elesmera to train. Morzan is definatly, without a doubt, eragons father.

morzan was a rider too so he was probably was in elesmera to train. Morzan is definatly, without a doubt, eragons father.

http://www.youtube.com/v/WrjwaqZfjIY
thank you dr. cox.

Blagden was COMPARING not prophesizing. He was commenting on how they were ALIKE. It has NOTHING to do with the future. They both didn't understand Bladgen, so that's why they are both blind as bats.

Well, there are other ways he could have known, like she was pregnant and he hadn't had sex with her for a while. or maybe just feeling the extra life inside her. he is a rider. The book says NOTHING about before him finding out. All it says is that she ran away. And Brom only came to Carvahall after Eragon was born, like right after. They knew each other before. It's obvious.

This is so confusing. I think Brom is Eragon's father.

Someone (I 4got who) said: Brom loved a woman, but his love was her undoing. or something like that.

So Brom loved Selena and she borned his son (Eragon). Then she was scared that Morzan would find out and went back and ended her relationship with Brom. Simple, Brom IS Eragon's father.

Besides, Morzan should have gone to Ellesmera. Oromis said that he trained Brom and Morzan, and if Brom went to Ellesmera, then Morzan definetely would have too.

I no u must have A LOT of info against that, b/c I always have a lot of info against me, but thats what i think.

uh dude, all of the evidence is on my side (which is also yours). I posted most of it 2 posts ago.

Thats true, but then he would have told galby where it was. perhaps he was trained in Ilirea (uru'baen)

Yeah, but its kinda hard to find it without the help of an elf. I mean, it is a huga forest! Anyone could easily get lost...........

I thought Morzan was never brought to Ellesmera.

He could have been. Like I said earlier, Brom and Morzan were both trained by Oromis (its says so in Eldest), and where could Oromis be but Elesmera?

They were trained at Doru Areaba. That was the home of the dragon riders. Only when they reached a certain age and after they were allowed to would the human riders be brought to Ellesmera.

its a good thing that neither galby or morzan were ever brought there.

this is WAAAAYYY off topic.

Hmm... yeah. I agree with the topic

why? there is SOOOO much evidence that Brom IS Eragon's father and there is so little to discredit that theory. WHY would you NOT think he is Eragon's father???

Well not everyone shares the same oppinion on everything no matter what the evidence. Everyone is entitled to their ideas. I personally think Brom might be Eragon's father.

....oops sry. I mean I disagree with the topic....I was just a lil confused lol sry

eh. maybe, maybe not. it's still fun to argue about stuff...but I find thrill and glee in finding out that I was right about stuff...it's a good feeling.

well if we don't argue about it then this website will be dead. I mean, most of the thrill about the book is waiting for it. Mind you that doesn't stop me being annoyed that he is taking such a long time with it.

Anyway... back on topic, I don't know who proposed the idea that Brom is Eragon's father but whoever did was seriously mistaken.

don't you mean that whoever said that Brom ISN'T Eragon's father is mistaken? because BROM IS ERAGON'S FATHER.

Right, seeing as I'm the youngest on this forum, I would like to take the mickey out of IMNOTCRAZY.

Reasons why Morzan is Eragon's father:

Murtagh said so, and CP is simply not going to go "Woops, made you all think wrong, Brom's Eragon's father, I put Morzan as his father in Eldest to get your hopes down.

The Twins found it in Eragon's mind, did they not? Are they not as powerful as Murtagh in Eldest, maybe even Ajihad because they were trained by Galbatorix. They would not be mistaken.

Morzan being Eragon's father, for me, adds more suspense. I think "Eragon, Son of a Forsworn" is more fun than "Eragon, Son of a Storyteller"

If Brom told Eragon he was his father when he died, Eragon would have thought about it, and so would we; we would have knew.

Morzan came to Galbatorix and was still with Selena. Murtagh was already alive and that was why he was in Uru'baen, living there with Galbatorix. 1) If Morzan is Eragon's father, then Selena would have died because he would not have helped her while she was dying whilst giving birth to Eragon. 2) If Brom was Eragon's father, he would have healed her for her to live a little longer?

The riddle in Eragon, which is something like:
One could be one,
One is definately one,
But one could be two,

This could interpret Brom orignally being Eragon's father, and then the other being Morzan.

Reasons why Brom is not Eragon's father have been pointed here.
And reasons why IMNOTCRAZY ISCRAZY are:

YOUR CRAZY COS YOUR THEORIES ON ERAGON SUCK!

YAY!! you saved me SO much time Ignitus. I agree with you completely, I much prefer the 'Eragon, Son of the Forsworn'.

ok. you have it ALL wrong.

1. Murtagh could have been wrong. He just had to believe it.

2. The Twins found that they had the same MOTHER, so they drew the conclusion that they had the same FATHER, but that conclusion could easily be WRONG. And there IS strong evidence that Brom had a relationship with Selena.

3. that is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. besides, it destroys the mirror: Murtagh is the new Morzan and Eragon is the new Brom. The dragons' names are the same, they do/will have the swords of their fathers, and they are on the same sides as their fathers were.

4. There isn't evidence that Brom told Eragon. Remember, "Brom kept many secrets" - Saphira. Saphira knows something that she's not telling Eragon. And she avoided the question when Eragon asked her if she believed that he was Morzan's son. She probably was told that Eragon was Brom's son by Brom, then told Oromis, and then Oromis made her say that she would not tell Eragon until he said she could.

5. dude...she gave birth in Carvahall. She ran away when she found out she was pregnant, then she came to Carvahall, she had Eragon, she ran off, and she went back to Morzan, thinking she'd be safe. She knew that she would be hunted down otherwise, if she didn't come back, so she went to Morzan, thinking he wouldn't know that she had given birth. Maybe she was wrong, maybe she was right. Who knows what happened afterwards. Murtagh as a source isn't very reliable. He was a kid and magic could have made it look like she was sick, or it could have caused her to be sick. or it could have been a slow poison. We don't know.

6. The riddle is more accurately interpreted as follows:

While two <Children> may share two <Parents>
And one <Child> of two <Parents> is certainly one
One <Mother> might be <Mother to> two <Children of different Fathers>.

ty HitNRunner.

That is a lot more accurate than what you are describing.


Now, I have posted the evidence for Brom and Selena's relationship a hundred times, so you are going to have to find it if you want to look at it.

how do you like that? every single one of your points isn't credible in any way. now whose theories s.u.c.k? let me answer that. YOURS.

I cant wait to see you slow-typers fall to my knees when Book III comes out.

But if you still believe the wrong, I would like to point out something: age.

Brom is descriped as being 'very aged with a stroking white beard down to his chest'. He is at least 65 in the books? Eragon is 15/16: Brom would not "make" a child when he was 50+.
Owned? Owned. I owned a noobling who cant type for her life.

Sorry ignitus, but you're wrong. Brom was something like 120.

and Brom had an extended life span because he was a dragon rider. his age doesn't really matter any.

it does after his dragon died. It might have taken a long time but he would have eventually died of age.

but it still takes a long time. he would have probably outlived Selena if she had not died.

IMNC, I completely agree with you! And Ignitus Ardoon, who the **** said that IMNC couldn't type? Besides, Brom IS Eragon's father, all the evidence pointes to it. Morzan and Brom were near the same age, so your theory collapses if you say that Brom was old, Morzan was JUST AS OLD!

Who said anything about Galby training the twins? They could have just been magicians on Galby's side, and they learnt magic BEFORE they went to Galby. And so what if Murtagh said so? He was told by Galby and who knows if Galby was truthful to him? Maybe Galby made it all up so that the theory sounded more likely to be true, but actually wasn't.

Also, Brom WASN'T a storyteller, he was just PRETENDING! He's actually a dragon-rider and it says clearly on the book, go back and read it again if you dont know that. And your interpretation of the riddle is so wrong!

All in all, Brom IS Eragon's father