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contradictions between books
I wasn't sure where to put this thought so i just put it here. I've noticed a few possible contradictions between the first two books. Brom tells eragon that the name of the first dragon is bidaum but in ellesmera islanzadi says that the first eragon's dragons name cannot be spoken in this or anyother language. Also in eldest oromis says that when a dragon or rider dies the other usually dies but i think that brom says that when a rider dies so does his dragon.
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you are most like ERAGON
You are powerful, brave and heroic and always willing to face any foes you meet. Though you are learning how to form alliances, determine whether you can trust people, and how to use your magic safely and effectively, you can occasionaly be a bit too headstrong. Luckily you have wise guides like Brom and Saphira to show you the way.
August 20th, 2008, 3:32 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
i read somewhere that the fact that biduam was whiteand the other dragon was just coincidence and that they were different and that it is true that when a rider dies his dragon dies as well but if the dragon dies the rider will still live but they will feel that a part of hia mind has died and cause them to go mad witch leads to his death i'm not sure about about any of this and it may just be wrong
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August 23rd, 2008, 9:06 am
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Re: contradictions between books
In an interview it was comfirmed they were different
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September 4th, 2008, 6:46 am
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Re: contradictions between books
like I said they are different.
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you are most like ERAGON
You are powerful, brave and heroic and always willing to face any foes you meet. Though you are learning how to form alliances, determine whether you can trust people, and how to use your magic safely and effectively, you can occasionaly be a bit too headstrong. Luckily you have wise guides like Brom and Saphira to show you the way.
September 4th, 2008, 7:17 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
Yes, they are different, and the fact of when one dies the other dies is not a contradiction, is has to do with the strength of the bond and the ability of separation
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
yeah....... one other thing is that in eldest oromis says that gods dont exist....but in brisingr eragon MEETS one....(i think oromis meant that ELVES think that gods dont exist as thae had never seen one......)
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November 13th, 2008, 5:54 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
Eragon never really met a god.....that whole dwarven thing wasn't a meeting with a god, it's made to look that way......
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
I say it was a mistake CP made between the writing of one book and another. He made a similar mistake in Brisingr where Saphira shows Eragon the memory Brom left for him. CP mentions Brom had Aren on his hand and if we go back to Eragon, at the time, Brom had sent his ring as proof as he was the real sender of the message to Ajihad. This mistake was from Eragon to Brisingr, and the one with Bid'Daum was from Eragon to Eldest!
Tsk,tsk to Christopher Paolini
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March 16th, 2009, 1:58 am
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Re: contradictions between books
yeah, he obviously forgot to make a note about that, and his editors obviously didn't catch that
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
Just like there is no agreement with the fact that Saphira did not initially know Brom was a rider in Eragon, and then in Brisingr, he tells Eragon she knew what he was from the first moment they met! Bahhh!
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March 16th, 2009, 11:26 pm
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eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
Do you have an idea of the times I've heard those books????
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March 17th, 2009, 12:09 am
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Re: contradictions between books
i guess not. lol i've only read eragon like 5 times, eldest 3 times, and brisingr 1 time....kinda sad really considering how much i talk about them. lol
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
5 times????? i read them all just once and now i'm reading eragon for the second time. so annie how many times have you read them?
March 17th, 2009, 7:25 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
she listens to them. lol i'll probably never read eragon again after reading brisingr, because going back to eragon and having to read about him with no skill is really annoying
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
Well, CP did write these books but I don't think we should think he knows all three books off by heart
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March 29th, 2009, 10:18 am
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Re: contradictions between books
Yea CP obviously cannot remember small details like those....If i were him i would join one of theses forums and see what other people have to say about me
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March 29th, 2009, 1:01 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
would you guys remember every single thing you wrote a few years ago? 400+ pages? i don't think so xD
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Re: contradictions between books
sjlsscsdoo wrote:
she listens to them. lol i'll probably never read eragon again after reading brisingr, because going back to eragon and having to read about him with no skill is really annoying
Actually, it is quite refreshing when you do go back to them. I know the topic is "contradictions between books" but I did not want to open a new thread just for the following comments...
I went back to the LotR trilogy and I noticed so many similarities between the Inheritance series, it was crazy. Like the Ra'zac immobilizing victims with their breath, so did the Black Riders in LotR. The Ra'zac being strongest at night, so were the Black Riders... The Ra'zac being swift, quick and not tiring easily, so were the Black Riders
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March 29th, 2009, 4:01 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
yea not only that there are like a bazillion things that are similiar betweent he two story lines
ERagon and arya = Aragorn and Arwen for example
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March 29th, 2009, 4:04 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
Yup, only difference here, is Aragon was A MAN, not a boy. Besides, Aragon had fought countless battles and had LIVED tons of experiences throughout his life which made him wise, and cautious. Eragon is still impulsive and hot-headed.
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March 29th, 2009, 4:13 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
you forgot idiot. terrible idiot. and the only reason he's alive is cuz of saphira
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
I do need to point out the fact that Murtagh was a lot more mature in his thought than Eragon. This, I believe, is a consequence of the experiences he lived while his gracious "daddy" was alive, and later on being an orphan.
Eragon had a harder life, one with many lacks, but he was surrounded by family and love. He had a father figure to show him the right values and morals.
Comes to show that even in fantasy, money does not buy everything!
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March 30th, 2009, 11:00 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
maybe it should....lol jk. only magical coins do (sorry, reference to my old book)
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
I would just be like wow what is going on lol
And yes murtagh is a much mature man. He had lived on his own for a long time and learned to protect himself. Murtagh is tha man.
And yes but soon Eragon will be older and wiser like Aragon was
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April 1st, 2009, 10:27 pm
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Sorry, but I disagree with you L/R! Murtagh had been on his only for a short time. After Selena died, he was taken in by Galbatorix, who never took any interest in him until his 18th birthday. After he ordered him to kill all the people from Cantos, after that it was when he ran away.
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April 2nd, 2009, 1:55 am
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eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
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before galby called for him on his eighteenth birthday he was on his own
Nope, not correct. I including the relevant excerpts. The full thing is found on pages 389-391 in Eragon, (US Hardcover Ed)
"Escaped is more like it. At my last birthday, when I turned eighteen, the king summoned me to his quarters for a private dinner." (p 389)
"Several months passed before he did. When the summons came, I felt all of my excitement return." (p 390)
"As soon as I was free of his presence, (referring to after he heard what Galbatorix wanted him to do) I and my faithful servant, Tornac, made ready for flight." (p 391) "Alone and filled with grief, I fled to and old friend who sheltered me on his estate. While I hid, I listened carefully to every rumor, trying to predict Galbatorix's actions and plan my future. During that time, (shortly after the events of Eragon and Brom's capture by the Ra'zac take place, which means Murtagh had left the safety of his old friend's estate.) talk reached me that the Ra'zac had been sent to capture or kill someone." (p 391)
If you compare these to the time Eragon was being trained by Brom and their wanderings, as well as the time frame of the book, (Eragon) there is less than a year during which the unfolding of these events! In other words, Murtagh was not alone for a long period of time.
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April 4th, 2009, 4:02 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
yeah, he's used to at least having a travelling partner
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
I consider on his own, the moment he ran away from Uru'baen till the moment he met up with Eragon and Brom. So I do not think it was for a long time as L/R says. But then, that's the meaning I get from what I read...
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April 4th, 2009, 4:13 pm
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eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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Re: contradictions between books
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Just cause he was with someone doesn't mean he wasn't on his own
As a general rule, when one is on it's own, it IS alone. And this fits perfectly in this story.
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that's kind of an oximoron contradictory statement. lol
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April 4th, 2009, 4:45 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
so when someone moves out of the house at 18 and move into an apartment with a roommate they are not on their own
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April 4th, 2009, 4:48 pm
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This is not the case L/R! Here we need to go by the storyline, I think.
Murtagh was truly on his own the moment he left his friend's estate to follow the Ra'zac. (At least in my opinion!)
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April 4th, 2009, 4:52 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
AnnieBee wrote:
LightningRider wrote:
Just cause he was with someone doesn't mean he wasn't on his own
As a general rule, when one is on it's own, it IS alone. And this fits perfectly in this story.
sjlsscsdoo wrote:
that's kind of an oximoron contradictory statement. lol
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eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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LOL!!! You gave me some of my own medicine, SJ!!! Sorry for that!
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April 4th, 2009, 6:47 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
Haadont worry SJ i knew you weren't calling me anything.
But annie it is the case his parents were dead. He had no family. He was on his own. He had to mature to continue his life.
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April 4th, 2009, 8:23 pm
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Honey, until he ran away with Tornac, he had lived under Galbatorix's protection! Living in a castle with tons of servants and the best accomodations is hardly described as "alone." And the maturing process has nothing to do with him being on his own. That process began occurring, in his case anyway, in his childhood.
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April 4th, 2009, 8:36 pm
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Honey? lol
But he is more mature because he has never had a family. His father was a monster. He had to mature form the moment he was born. Then he was alone. Having servants doesn't help you not be alone. He was alone
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April 4th, 2009, 8:44 pm
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i forget, but why does it matter if murtagh's been "alone" most of his life? i forgot what the point of this is. lol
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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LOL!!! I love how you keep trying to turn this around to suit your perception, LR! It's amusing!
I did mention Murtagh was a lot more mature than Eragon due to his upbringing.
Saying he had to mature since the moment he was born is a bit of an "overstatement."
Idk if it's my perception or not, but to be "alone" is not the same as being "lonely."
This is so because, I live "alone," but I am not "lonely."
SJ, it all came up because LR posted that Murtagh had been "on his own for a while." And I am refuting his claim on how "long" that while, time wise, was. Does it make sense?
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April 4th, 2009, 8:54 pm
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Re: contradictions between books
but it's not hard to be more mature than eragon. i mean, he's eragon after all
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
eragon dies lonely, saphira cries acidic tears on thorn who dies, and as he is dying accidentally claws murtagh to death, whose sword shoots out and stabs arya, who dies and curses "brisingr" as she's dying, accidentally setting islanzadi on fire, who curses galby, who dies, and shruikan dies of a heart attack from the shock of all, and ants rule the world! then termites eat the ants and termites rule the world!
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