i think galby has a fuller knowledge of the A.L. after all he is researching words that shouldnt be known according to the book

WHAT!?!? sure they were equals but they aren't elves. Eragon became more like an elf in that ceremony thing




Who says hey have to break up? Katrina becomes queen.



Exactly!



Good point. Still, it is possible that that time elapsis in the book, and greenie could fight.. It happened in Eragon, so why not in book 4?



He can do huge damage... your forgetting that murt got stronger than Eragon in less than a book. The proccess could be reversed. If greenie gotmore than murt, could he not overpower him?



True, but if galby was away, Eragon got more HoH's and greenie was there, plus soldiers, he could take it.



Why not? Eragon can get way more HoH's than he could, and he easily overpowers him. Not to mention the possiblility of Murt's true name to change, and he, Eragon, and greenie kick butt.



Untill he gets more HOh

Murtagh does not have Elven strenght or speed.
He manged to keep up with Eragon only because Eragon was tired after has been in the battle for a very long time. And even if he was tireed Murtagh could barly keep up with him. In the end it was Murtagh personal stuck of Eldunarí that won the battle.


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But seriously guys.
Take a look at this.
This is pure fact. It comes from CP himself.

1. CP has said that the rider will be "logic inevitability"
2. CP also mentioned that he hopes it will be a surprise.
At the time, the book we know now as Brisingr was supposed to be the final book of the series. Paolini decided to separate that book in two. Before Brisingr came most people didn’t though that it would be Arya. It was Roran. But after Brisingr was released, people have considered Arya much more likely, not just because of the events that took place in the book itself but Paolini's explanations of some of those certain scenes since then.
3. The rider has to have been in all three books so far.
4. CP has said that there is clues in the books about who the next rider is.
And the only thing that can count as clues for any character is the constant referring Arya with the colour Green. (the colour that the egg has)
5. CP has said that book four continues the adventures of Eragon, Saphira and Arya.
He didn’t just said Eragon and Saphira. He also said Arya. Take it for what you want.


And in the matter of logic inevitability look at this.

1. The dream in Deathwatch. Two people, a man and woman, boarding a ship while two dragon circle above. Now, this is most likely Eragon departing the land with the other Rider, their two dragons flying above. This, if true, indicates the Rider is female.
2. Eragon is in love with Arya, Greenie and Saphie will likely be mates. Fits together.
3. She requires less training, as we don't have time to train a new Rider.
4. She is elven and female. The other Riders are human and male. It evens it out a little bit.
5. As an elf, is of superior mental and physical strength - and with one book to go, this is definite advantage.
6. Green. She has green eyes, green magic, etc. CP has said that there was clues in the books about who the next rider will be.
7. CP is trying to put her and eragon on even footing. They have the same strength magically and physically, or close to it, both are Shadeslayers. So making her a dragon rider would be the last part.
8. She has been in all three books.
9. She's more advanced in the AL than Eragon. (wich happends to be comfirmed by CP recently)
10. She IS "logically inevitable
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And look at this.
M: Now can you say how much training she would have received from Oromis?

C: I think Arya has a level of training far exceeding Eragon’s quite honestly, mainly because she has had far more time to learn and just the fact that she grew up with the ancient language means that she is always going to be more facile and fluent with it than Eragon and more adept at thinking up interesting ways of using the ancient language and thus spells.

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Many want's to think that others are possible to become the next rider but you can't honastly say that any of them are logic inevitability.

Do you see the facts? Unless CP has lied to us, Arya is the only one who truly can be the next rider when you look at the facts. If you want to ignore all this and be stuborn, be my guest. I don't care.
But the facts will remain.
//Robin

CP hoped that it would be a suprise two years ago.


As have many other charcters. But Arya is the only logic choice.


It is vaild as it is the only thing that can count as a clue for any one.
Roran only want to be with Katrna. he dosn't want to be the next rider and outlive her.


In an interview with CP.


No, but it would fit better. No?


Exactly. It took 3/4 of Eldest to complete his traning. We can't have that now since they are in the empire at war.


The majoity of the riders was elves. Three humans riders and no elves wouldn't fit. Especialy since the dragons like symetry.


That is a personal opinion. Vraug was stronger than Durza.


In magic as well. She have been trained by Oromis for over a decade.
Look at this:
M: Now can you say how much training she would have received from Oromis?

C: I think Arya has a level of training far exceeding Eragon’s quite honestly, mainly because she has had far more time to learn and just the fact that she grew up with the ancient language means that she is always going to be more facile and fluent with it than Eragon and more adept at thinking up interesting ways of using the ancient language and thus spells.



No. He is not


//Robin

Bladesinger will be the one. I can feel it.

What or who will be what?

Obvious I have read Brisningr.
They was upon their dragons in the air the second time. There wasn't much speed or strenthg in it. Ther was a few hits with the swords but it was more about finding an angel to hit the other. It wasn't a reall sword fight. The bigest part of the battle was in the end the mind strugling between the two of them. + the eldnunari and the elves of course.
As we saw in Eldest Murtagh does not have elven strenth or speed. Galby might have done him stronger and faster but not in the levle of an elf or him self.


Agreed.

Huh? I must have forget that "/ But that just strentghen my point. We need a strong rider who can keep up. The only one then is Arya ^^


Agreed.

speaking of that how does galby keep control of them

I don't think that Galby will be defeated with Eldunari. It's going to be with the VoS and with a little backstabbing from Murty (before Galby kills him).

And if CP did in fact say the next rider would have appeared in all three books it will most definitely be Arya then. It would suck...but it would happen. CP's like that.
Or it could be Katrina considering a thought I just had. But the explanation would take too long...

But she is not logic inevitability.

Who where you refering to? Me or Rider of Death?
I didn't said why Katrina wasn't a logic choice and he didn't said why he thought why it would be her.
Or was you simply telling both of us?

That is not considered spamming at all. I made a point that can get people to start thinking about the different possibilities. Before you start accusing people why don't you stop and take a second to consider what you're trying to say. And look up the definition of spamming in the forum rules.

You can think about how that would work. If I just posted every idea I had then one of you would just point out all of their flaws and an argument would start.The best way to have a debate is to get everyone thinking.
Also in that post I stated my idea of how Galby would be defeated. Since I stated my idea that immediately made the post "not spam".
And this is completely off topic now.

i think arya will be the next rider since the other riders are human

And although it won't help the series in any way (it will make it worse, oh so much worse) it's probably going to happen. It's just like CP to make Arya the first ever female rider. So if the egg hatches in book four the most logical choice is indeed Arya.
However, if the egg doesn't hatch in the book (which I would prefer) then it could pretty much hatch for anyone. That is my hope.

Where is it mentioned in the books? I've never heard of this.

What CP has said.

1. CP has said that the rider will be "logic inevitability"
2. CP also mentioned that he hopes it will be a surprise 2 years ago.
At the time, the book we know now as Brisingr was supposed to be the final book of the series. Paolini decided to separate that book in two. Before Brisingr came most people didn’t though that it would be Arya. It was Roran. But after Brisingr was released, people have considered Arya much more likely, not just because of the events that took place in the book itself but Paolini's explanations of some of those certain scenes since then.
3. The rider has to have been in all three books so far.

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In the matter of logic inevitability

Roran:
1. Roran has his family to live for. That would ruin his life with his family, causing him to outlive his wife (his entire world) and his child. Then his possible grandchildren, etc. Depressing much?
2. Then he could not be King, which is probably the leading theory under Roran - no immortal Rulers.
3. So far, his characterization has been developing his physical strength and leadership skills. No diplomatic skills or magical skills. If you were to use the stone argument, it could easily be countered with this - his failure at learning/using magic could be there to show his path will not be a magical one.
4. Is human - very strong, but only for a human. Could not compete with Galby or Murt.
5. On the "Rider blood" argument - blood is no real argument. CP has said that dragon does not choose because of families. He don’t even share that what you then should call rider blood. Brom-Eragon Morzan-Murtagh. Roran has no conection there.
6. We have no time to train him. How many books did it take Eragon to reach his current strength? We would need to teach Roran the customs of Riders, how to preform magic and control energy as well as the AL itself, etc. Not time.
7. Wields a hammer, not a sword. It’s a diffrent fighting skill.
8. Due to the above, he is not really "logically inevitable," no?

Orik:
1. He is a King. No immortal rulers, no? At least, not of a mortal race. Dwarves = mortal.
2. Yeah, he is also a Dwarf. Dwarves are not in the Pact, and there is not currently enough power to recast it. And honestly, why would it be recast now? In a time of war? Silly.
3. It would cause him to out live his wife/possible children as well.
4. Yes, we all know that he rode Saphira. But he didn't really seem too comfortable with 90% of the time. Yeah.
5. Size rations, anyone? He coulden’t even reach a Urgal from the back of a dragon.
6. Would require magical training.
7. Not "logically inevitable."

Angela:
1. Based on CP's sister as a kind of joke - she was obviously not meant to have an extreme role in the books. Like, I dunno, the Rider who will help save the dragon race and defeat the evil Empire.
2. Can use magic, but is very weak when it come to magic use. So she would still require magical training, which would make her weaker than all other Riders in the IC.
3. Is human - normal strength.
4. Does not fight with a sword. Minor, but still.
5. Is not "logically inevitable."

Nasuada:
1. She currently is leader of the Varden. That is a big enough responsibility in itself, yes?
2. She would require training in magic and as well in how to use a sword.
3. Is human - normal strength.
4. On magic, she loathes the stuff. That would cause a kind of conflict of interests, no?
5. Not "logically inevitable."

Elva:
1. Currently (physically) about 7 years old.
Not to mention that she is literally only about 1 year old.
2. No sympathies - why would she fight for the Varden at all? It would take some doing just to convince her to be on the "good side" (bleh) in the first place.
3. She would require training as well, both magically and with a blade.
4. Again, human. She could not compete physically just by her race, not to mention her age.
5. Unpredictable, to put it mildly.
6. Not "logically inevitable."

But let’s take a look at Arya.
1. The dream in Deathwatch. Two people, a man and woman, boarding a ship while two dragon circle above. Now, most think this is Eragon departing the land with the other Rider, their two dragons flying above. This, if true, indicates the Rider is female.
2. Eragon is in love with Arya, Greenie and Saphie will likely be mates. Fits together.
3. She requires less training, as we don't have time to train a new Rider.
4. She is elven and female. The other Riders are human and male. It evens it out a little bit.
5. As an elf, is of superior mental and physical strength - and with one book to go, this is definite advantage.
6. Green. She has green eyes, green magic, etc. CP has said that there was clues in the books about who the next rider will be.
7. CP is trying to put her and eragon on even footing. They have the same strength magically and physically, or close to it, both are Shadeslayers. So making her a dragon rider would be the last part.
8. She has been in all three books.
9. She IS "logically inevitable

Now I know Arya is the most likely, and because she is an EXTREME Mary Sue it's almost impossible for her to not become the next rider. So what I say next is not me trying to prove this wrong.

I could be wrong on this, but I think that in the dream in Deathwatch it never actually specified that the one walking with the man was a woman. I think it said someone with long hair.
Making Arya a Rider would also not put Arya and Eragon on an even footing. Arya is much older than eragon and is an elven princess. Making her a rider would make her much older than eragon, an elven princess, a dragon rider, a shadeslayer, and having much more knowledge of magic than eragon. Eragon is, ok, the son of brom, about 17 years old, a shadeslayer, and a dragon rider. CP would have to do much more to even things out.
The other things are pretty much true, but Saphira seems intent on establishing her race again in Alagaisia, so why would she and Greenie be alagaisia together?
Everything else is pretty much true. Sadly Arya has in fact been in all three books.

Despite what I want Mary S- I mean Arya will get the egg help eragon beat galby, and they'll get together. Ugh! Cliches all the way! That is why I'm gonna hate the ending. For me the only interesting characters left are Orik, Murtagh, Saphira, and Roran. Also Bladesinger.

Noted


Wrong!

"He watched as a group of people on proud horses approached a lonely river. Many had silver hair and carried tall lances. A strange, fair ship waited for them, shining under a bright moon. The figures slowly boarded the vessel; two of them, taller than the rest, walked arm in arm. Their faces were obscured by cowls, but he could tell that one was a woman. They stood on the deck of the ship and faced the shore. A man stood alone on the pebble beach, the only one who had not boarded the ship. He threw back his head and let out a long, aching cry. As it faded, the ship glided down the river, without a breeze or oars, out into the flat, empty land. The vision clouded, but just before it disappeared, Eragon glimpsed two dragons in the sky."


It would. Both would be shadslayers, both is imortals, both are riders.
What Eragon lack in comon experience he gains in his nautral talent and his experience with Saphira.

"I can teach you nothing more of the sword. Of all the fighters I’ve met, only three of them could have defeated me like that, and I doubt any of them could have done it with their left hand." He smiled ruefully. "I may not be as young as I used to be, but I can tell that you’re a talented and rare swordsman."

Arya might be better in magic and knowlege, but Eragon has the uperhand in almost every thing else as a rider. And it's only stupid to think that they should be exactly equal in every thing.


And so? They are both young adults. Arya might have more life experience, but that only helps her and Eragon in the fights. No?
And the age is just a number. They are equal as young adults.


Rider goes before that, but even so eragon will be the lead rider. That puts him higher than anyone else.


What! What has her beinga rider to do with that she is older than him?


It's fiting since he is the lead rider and that they will get together.
I don't see your problem here.


So what? You do know that magic isn't the only thing right? Eragon has more knowlege and experiance as being a rider.


In your eyes yes. In reality no.


Maybe they will be forced or maybe it is that they can't bring their race back. Greenie and Saphira can have kids, but their kids can't have with eachother.


Sadly for you perhaps. I love it ^^


Almost funny


isn't that just great?


The majority of the fans likes it tho ^^


Intresting................

@ The Librarian:

Ok I was wrong about the Dreamwatch thing. (seriously, I haven't read the books in a while).

For your second point, in your opinion it would make them equal, in mine it wouldn't. Everything isn't about how good they are at fighting. It has to do primarily with what they have experienced. At the moment, Arya is pretty far ahead of Eragon in this area. (in my opinion)

You third point is wrong (in my opinion), because Arya has stated numerous times in the books that their age difference is a huge problem. It's exactly like a 17 year old marrying an extremely healthy 100 year old because that is exactly what it is.

My point is that Arya will be an elven princess and a dragon rider, and no matter if eragon being the lead rider won't upset the balance. However, this can easily be overcome by Eragon beating Galby. I admit that.

I'll reword the next part: 'Making her a rider would make her (of course) a dragon rider, much older than eragon, an elven princess, a shadeslayer, and having much more knowledge of magic than eragon.' (the grammer is horrible, I know) My point is that things are not even for them at the moment.

For your next point I think you should rephrase what you said as, "In your eyes yes, in my eyes no." This has to do with opinions, not reality.

Good one.

Wasn't meant to be funny. It was meant to be sarcastic so I guess I failed there...

Notice the 'Ugh!'

And yes, they are interesting.

The majority of fans like it because the majority of fans are just wanting a quick ending that has Arya and Eragon getting together. This isn't a good thing because they are making the book completely about the 'romance' between the two when that is just a sub-plot.

@eragon+arya: It is true that Arya is the most likely, but that's what's going wrong with the series. (once again in my opinion)

No problem ^^ It can happen to anyone.


She is ahead of him in LIFE experience. Not as a rider.
She is also better than him when it comes to magic, but he is also better than her in other ways. Like already being a rider, with the blade, the knowldege and such things. I do agree that Arya is the better one of the two. But Eragon is as close as he can be to be at her level. And most important is that he will be the lead rider. The strongest position you can get.


Both Eragon and Arya are young adults. And most imoprtant is that they both are imortals. After 2000 years when Arya is like 2100 years and Eragon is 2000 years, this dosn't matter. The age is just a number. Mentaly and physicaly they are at the same age.


Officialy she will still be a princess, but being a dragon rider comes first.
And Eragon being the lead rider is a huge thing. Being the lead rider is the strongest postioin in whole Alagesia. But as you said Eragon will also be the hero who kills galby in the end.


Eragon will in the end be a rider, the lead rider, a shadeslayer, bane of the Ra'zac, son of Brom, family to the dwarvern monarch, king slayer and I could go on.


Not sure with point it was, but we both have our on views.


Thank you ^^


I guessed that you was being sarcastic ^^
I just diden't cared much for it =/


I did notice the 'Ugh!'


never said that they wasn't No?


Wrong! More corectly is that YOU think that it isn't good

My main point is that life experience is the main (and hardest problem to overcome. Arya herself has stated, and Eragon has admitted to himself that their age difference that can't be overcome. She is wiser and has experienced much more than Eragon. That is what it says in the books so that is what I'm going with.

My other point is that it is almost impossible and totally unrealistic for them to be equals. However, as CP has already shown and stated that that is what he is trying to do (bringing in a shade for like five pages wasn't the best idea to do this...) I'll leave it at that.

And when I said they were interesting, I was agreeing with when you wrote, "Interesting........" (don't remember how many dots)

Both the fact that most fans just want Arya and Eragon to get together and the fact that I don't like it are true. And I don't like it because it is extremely obvious and totally unoriginal. It's going to make lots of people happy but it's going to do nothing for the overall story (just like keeping Murtagh alive won't. I personally want him to stay alive but for the sake of the story I won't be angry when he does die...not that this has anything to do with anything...)

It was aid through the moment. Trust me on this one. 100 years is a very smal number when you are imortal. In 500 years Eragon would be 500 and Arya 600. Then 100 years isn't so much. Both of them would be seval hundreds years old with serval hundred years of experience. And life experience is something eragon will get with time. the time he has since he is imortal. The important thing is that they are equal in mind and body. They are young adults. As Rorans said Arya is at her prime of youth. As is Eragon. A simple number is not a problem for imortals.


And that is the part that i don't understand. They will mostly have the same titels, but Eragon will have the highest one in the end.


That he has. And I agree with the shade tho. I was hoping for a longer battle ^^


Neither do I =/ I don't know why I put out so many dots. I guess I was frustated or something.


And I respect your opinion ^^ But I will continue to argu for the sake of arguing tho ^^


Yet her it is a personal thing. I prefer obvious writing infront of bad writing. because puting Eragon with some one who dosn't make any sence at all is bad writing. And I think that it is original writing. Eragon and Arya does make a perfect match for eachothers due to what CP is doing ^^


I agree with Murtagh. Personal I want him to survive, but after everything that has happend he does have to die to give the story some sence.
Murtagh is way to hated over Alagesia

//The Librarian

It would be unrealistic if Eragon and Arya didn't initially see their age difference as a problem and felt that it couldn't be overcome. As I've read in IF, Eragon and Arya are being very tentative in their relationship. Eragon and Arya both note their differences but Eragon nevertheless wants to take a chance at a romantic relationship, Arya understandably (given her own and Oromis's explanations) doesn't. It is in Brisingr that we see that Arya is starting to change her mind regardless of all the risks she knows that are involved in becoming attached to Eragon. In the Shadow of the Doom chapter, you can see just how connected Eragon and Arya are starting to feel towards each other at the moments when they realize they only survived killing Durza and Varaug because they were fighting together and when they are both grieving over the loss of Oromis and Glaedr.

"Eragon." She reached out and grasped his shoulder, and almost by accident, he found himself holding her in his arms.

He and Arya remained locked together for a long while, consoling each other...

Now considering this and other things that for the moment I will keep to myself, I believe Arya will become the next dragon rider. Now while her training as a magician far exceeds Eragon's since she's had more time to learn and is more fluent in the ancient language, Eragon has the elder and thus always larger and stronger dragon. Dragons are as every bit as intelligent and involved as the riders are so in that, there is a certain symmetry and balance that is symbolized.

Speaking of how close they are this has always been my favourite quote:

Arya looked at him. Eragon met her gaze, and something lurched within him. He flushed without knowing why, feeling a sudden connection with her, a sense that she understood him better than anyone other than Saphira. His reaction confused him, for no one had affected him in that manner before.

Throughout the rest of the day, all Eragon had to do was think back on that moment to make himself smile and set his insides churning with a mixture of odd sensations he could not identify.

@mk2108: Of course Eragon wants to take a chance at a romantic relationship. He's the one who attempted to start one in the first place. And of course he and Arya are getting closer. I'm just saying it's not a good idea, and everything CP put into the first two books and over half of the third went against it. With all that time spent saying a romance would never happen, it seems kind of dumb to make it start up in the last half of book three and the final book. It won't help the book either.
And I admit that Arya will probably be the next rider, but once again it won't help the book, and will probably hurt the series as a whole.

Actually Eragon and Arya started to get closer alredy in the end of Eldest after the battle of the burning plains by forgiving eacother and restarting theire relationship. This was becuase Eragon stoped being an imature jerk who only lusted for her. And how can you say that the first book went against them? More than half of the book Arya wasn't there or injured.
And when she woke up she and eragon had their time together as friends. Nothing bad happend there. Where did you get that idea from?
And Arya and Eragon makes one of the best team in Algesia. So how would that not be a good idea? Eragon can't wil alone with Saphira. He need a strong rider at his side. And even better of when they work so good together. And them together would take them even futher ^^
I don't know if it was Brom who said it or who it was but love is the strongest thing in Alagesia.

Arya said twice that it couldn't happen when eragon was acting like a imature jerk who lusted for her. Of course it couldn't happen then. What do you think. Frankly I would have hit eragon if i was Arya. She was almost to kind.

And Arya being the next rider is the only thing that can help the book. Unless we wan't galby to win of course. No one else is strong or fight as good together with Eragon to make the difference we need.

And I would say of course there was something against it. There always is. Every couple especially in fantasy fiction has obstacles. Something that prevents them from being together right away. It would be less interesting if there wasn't. Roran and Katrina who were already a couple and yet Katrina's father Sloan was so against them being together that he denied Katrina her dowry, betrayed his own village and killed a man leading Katrina to be kidnapped for months by the Ra'zac. When Roran rescued Katrina that reaffirmed to them why they were together, why they were with the right person. Eragon and Arya are just beginning to figure out for themselves why they work as we saw when they killed Varaug the shade, showing that they are starting to complete each other and the way they held each other when grieving over the loss of Oromis and Glaedr.

@(I'ts so hard to find the @ button on this stupid keyboard!!!!!) The librarian: Notice how I said it won't help the books not how it won't help the characters in the books. No matter how good a team Arya and Eragon are that doesn't change the fact that their romance is not adding anything new to the story that hasn't been used thousands of times in other books. Also, Arya isn't supposed to be our only hope for beating Galby. The Vault of Souls is (as has been mentioned in the series by one cool cat). And the very fact that Arya is the only one strong enough plays against the story. The whole point is to avoid the obvious, not use it constantly (which is what is starting to happen in this series).
@(URGGG!!!)mk2108: I don't know about the completing each other thing, and I don't know how such a long typo about some shade got into Brisingr, but your point is valid. Obstacles are what makes any romance we read about interesting (although Twilight botched it up). My point is that the majority of the series has had to do with how their romance is impossible, and then suddenly in book three...WOW, it looks like a romance is possible. That doesn't make it convincing in the slightest.

It does to me. Eldest discussed the reasons for the impossibility of their relationship, Brisingr was about the reasons for the possibility of their relationship. As Roran told Eragon, these are reasons you give me and the heart rarely listens to reason. That was the theme of Eragon and Arya's relationship in Brisingr.

Sorry m8 =/ I guess I read to fast...


It's true that it has happend in almost every other book, but I personaly would think that it would be worse for the book if we only see Eragon loving her without anything happens. It would be boring. A love is a great way to put more colour in the book. But you at least agree that it would be good for Arya and eragon ^^


I never said that, because I know that eragon will deal the finnal blow.
CP is obvious.... But as said thast she is the only one strong enough to help Eragon win. Eragon can't take galby alone or with a weak rider.
That is why I think it only would be good for the book to have Arya as the next rider. It's the only person who makes any sence at all.
Any one else would make the book very unrealistic.


Well.... I personaly think obvious writing is better that bad and unrealistic writing. But CP has always been obvious. I could guess that Brom was Eragons father way before Brisingr came out xD

*each paragraph I write connects to each of your points*

It's ok that you misread. I'm just glad I'm not the only one who has done it so far.
A love is great for the book, but a love with a tragic ending would do just as well as a love with a happy ending. Then again, there has been a lot of tragedy in the books so far, so it probably wouldn't be the best idea to make the romance a tragedy as well. And yes, I agree that for the characters in the books Arya's and Eragon's most definite happy ending will be a good thing.
That is indeed the case. However, the fact that she is not supposed to be the only hope added to the fact that she has somehow become the only logical hope isn't very helpful to the readers. It's a contradiction that I'm having a hard time dealing with.
I am in agreement here. CP has ever been obvious, and at times that is very nice. However, when it is constant I get sort of annoyed. That is why I want the unexpected to happen. That is one of the main reasons I don't want Arya to be the next rider. I'm looking for a twist.
And by the way, I guessed that Brom was Eragon's dad about a year before book four came out so we are on the same page there.

Hehe


I don't understand. Is a romatic relatioship bad no matter if it ends in a good or tragic way in your eyes?


I agree ^^ Both Eragon and Arya deseves to be happy after all they have gone trough xD


^^


It depends on how you see it I see your point even tho I don't agree.
I don't care if it is obvious as long as it make sence.
And she is not the "only" hope. Eragon will always come first followed by Saphira.
Arya will be the one helping them ^^


What part? xD


But he is stil quite a good author ^^ Even better when you take it from his age But obvious dosn't have to be a bad thing ^^


I fully understand you even tho I disagree xD


Does that twist has to be about the next rider to make the book good?


Yay! Two geniuses is better than one ^^

No. Not at all. It's just this romance that has me peeved. It is going all over the place without having to, because we all know what's going to happen. Arya and Eragon are going to get together. It's a done deal.



But as you have already said, no one would make a better rider than her, and we all know that Eragon can't beat Galby by himself. She is the only logical choice to help him so in a way she is the only hope. (we already know eragon and saphira will be fighting the evil king)
As to the 'obvious' thing, I think that that is where we disagree the most. It is also the main reason why i dislike Arya. She is far too obvious a character.



The whole Arya romance thing.



I agree that CP is a pretty good author, and I agree that obvious doesn't have to be a good thing. However, too much of it can kill a book.





No, but it would sure make the book extremely interesting.
I also want it to be about the rider because Arya is becoming...er...what's the word...too powerful?



Yet another thing we agree on!

true. Lucky for me tho since that is how I want it I can't wait to see them together ^^


And that is a good thing in my eyes. I didn't saw the fact that brom was Eragons father as a bad thing just because I could guess it. You need things to make the story good even if they are obvious.


You dislike her for being able to guess that she will be the next rider and that she will end up with Eragon?
That is new..... Most people goes for what kind of charcter it is.


Okey ^^


I fully agree. There is no need to read a book if you can guess the whole thing xD But the only thing I have guess so far is.
*Brom being Eragons father
*Arya being the next rider
*Arya and eragon geting together
*Arya and Eragon leaving Alagesia with thier dragons.

And that is a very smal part of the plot. Being able to guess 4 or 5 things is nothing



Not more powerful thatn eragon. CP has made it quit clear that they will be on an even footing

I dislike her because as a character she is way too obvious. We know she and Eragon will get together. We know she'll become the next rider. We know she will help Eragon beat Galby. We know she won't die. We know that she will be the one leaving with Eragon if he leaves Alagaisia.
All together, we know way too much that will happen. She is going to go through the whole series and Eragon and her will get together. There will be no mystery or suspense if she is in a dangerous place because we know she will survive. I don't believe that any character in any book should be as obvious as she is.
Once again it all boils down to obviousness, and boy does she have a lot of it. Arya is predictable and adds no mystery or energy to the book in my eyes, and therefore she is boring and unnecessary.



*Arya not dying
*Murtagh dying
*Arya and Eragon will together beat Galby making their bond of love all the stronger bringing about much luvyduvyness
*Galby being defeated
*An epic battle at the end that the forces of good will be losing but then after Eragon beats Galby the forces of evil will be destroyed
*The elves and dwarves becoming friends again.

I could go on and on.

But we can guess such things with most of the characters. Do you dislike Eragon as well? Or Saphira?


Eragon is at least as obvious as her. We even know Eragon better.
We also know that Saphira will survive and that she will fight along side Eragon.


When it comes to obvious almost all of CP charcters fails in the way =/


Please do!

Actually, I dislike Eragon as well. For obviousness as well as the fact that he is just too unbelievably moral and good. Saphira however is an interesting character because we can never actually tell what she will do next. Whenever Arya appears however, she is predictable.
Of course Saphira will fight along side Eragon. That's the whole point. He was destined to be a dragon rider and overthrow Galby not have his dragon die and fight galby alone. The point is that this is not the case for Arya. There is no need to her to be there other than for the sappy romance.
Saphira, Orik, Nasuada, and Murtagh aren't very predictable. Even Eragon is less obvious than Arya. (mainly because he makes stupid decisions quite often that no one can foresee) And I found Roran strangely unpredictable as well.

*Nasuada not dying
*Saphira getting together with greenie
*Shruikan being good for a little while and then dying tragically
*The dragon race not able to be rebuilt...on Alagaisia anyway
*Eragon probably leaves Alagaisia to find the elves homeland
*Roran becoming a farmer again and living happily with Katrina

That's six more. I'm too lazy to think of others at the moment.

A nother thing we agree on then ^^ Even tho I don't hate eragon I can't stand him. He is not a hero. He is Nasuada pupet and a whiner.


The outcome of Arya is predictable but not what she will do =/
She has suprised me many times with getsures and what she has said.


She has alredy had an important place in the story outside being his love interest. No?


Have you forseen every thing Arya has done? I was suprised at first when I read Brisingr. I never expected her to open up to him that soon. And many of her gestures later into the story. While the outcome of her charcter is predictable, we knows close to nothing about how she thinks.


True enough, but the whole series is predictable Not just Arya.
And you are not the only one who is lazy

I think your being really quite mean to the characters, but I dont really care! I always think Arya is the best in all of them, exepting Angela and solembum, cos their just funny

Really? Odd. Because I only hate Nasuada.
Then I might dislike Roran, Elva, Orrin & Triana. But thats it.
And I do dislike eragon to a sertain part. But overall A'm quite fine with him.


Agreed on the Arya part ^^ Arya is simply the best! <3
I honastly dosn't care so much for neither Angela or Solembum. Even tho I like them I never think of them.

Another Arya lover? Drat. There used to be quite a few people who didn't like her in this section. I think most have either left the forum or stopped posting here though. Too bad.
After this long discussion I think we can all agree that ARya will in fact be the next rider. I don't think that it is the best idea, but it's going to happen. Annoying and sad, but true.

The fact that she will probably be the next rider (although if she isn't CP will go way up on my list of favorite writers) or the fact that it is sad and annoying?

Take a guess It's not that hard xD

I'm gonna go with the sad and annoying one because of my own personal bias.

CP usually does things fairly in keeping with tradition e.g. red is usually associated with evil, villains, mutagh's dragon thorn etc and because the last dragon is green to me that points towards an elvish rider however i am surprised that it has not been revealed yet as CP would have to have the varden/elves steal the egg (almost at the begining of the new book) the future rider would have to be put into contact with the egg and then the dragon would have to grow incredibly quickly even faster than thorn (who was helped by Galbatorix) who grew unaturally and it doesnt seem in keeping with the good guys to do things unaturally like galbatorix tends to. Therefore my theory is that towards the end of the book when the empire is nearly crushed Arya will get presented with the egg, it will hatch and towards the end saphira/new dragon (toy boy like relationship!) and eragon/arya (toy boy relationship! lol)

The idea that the green egg may possibly hatch towards the end of the book (the epilogue maybe) has been brought up before. I am an advocate for it simply because it doesn't look like there will be enough space to do it properly. If it is attempted we will end up with another Varaug (sp). Also the toy boy relationship seems right up CP's alley, so I'm all for your idea.

Yea, but I don't hope so. The idea of Eragon taking down both Murtagh and galby alone as the only rider is quite..... bad? =/


You have to remember that the Empire is big and that they only has skratch the corners of it. The green Dragon only need around 6 months to grow (maybe less). Arya on the other hand dosn't need a personal traing.
The only training she need is with greeni.
But I agree. CP need to do it correctly.

And you spelled Varaug right if you want to know ^^


Toy boy?

Why does the idea of eragon taking down galby by himself seem bad?
Galby will make murtagh fight eragon, murtagh will beat him, galby will come over to gloat and try to do something mean, murtagh will have a change of heart and attack galby, galby will give him a death wound, eragon in a rage will attack and finish galby off.
Seems like a CPish ending.

None of the other books spanned six months so I don't see why this one should. The only logical place to put it is somewhere at the end.
I hate myself for knowing how to spell that shade's name...

Don't ask me what toy boy means.

I think that it is bad since Galby is the guy who defeated the rider at their prime of power. And he has only since then grown stronger.
Eragon is on the other hand Nasuada little pupet and has never defated any even footed enemy without any help. It might just be me here, but the thought of Eragon defeating them alone is for me "bad" writing.


Winter is coming up, the Empire is big, the have only skratched the corners of it, CP has said that the fourth book will have more battle tang all the other together. Trust me. The fourth book has to be during a long time.


I think otherwise. What is the reason of having another rider when it won't do anything?


haha xD


I know what it means. I just don't get how it fist in that subject.

That's just the thing. All of CP's writing so far has been 'bad' if you look at it in a certain way. I wouldn't put it past him to make an ending like that. But Arya must also be considered. She will probably be a part of the final battle. Like Galby perhaps has his sword to her throat and threatens to kill her for instance...
But six months? That is way to long of a time. Half a year in fact. The first three books together have spanned about that long. two to three months maybe, but only six if you want a gigantic amount of horribly hurried writing.
The point is that the newborn dragon at the end of the book represents the possibility of a new dragon race and the rebirth of the old Alagaisia. In short, victory. A dragon at the end of a book that actually leaves the series with a little bit of symbolism is far better for the final book than a dragon who is just there to make it possible to beat Galby. That's where the VOS comes in.

I partly agree. I do see what you mean, but CP does have his moments.
There are parts where he does an excelent job.


Neither do I.....


Well... we have seen that in other storys, so that chance that CP will copy that as well is big


Since the begining of Brisingr it has gone around one year since Eragon.
And he spent a couple of monts in Elesmera training.


How fast do you think you move an medival army acros enemy lands?
In reality it could take months just to capture a city. (Not that CP will do it of course) The Empire is big and Varden moves slow. And there will be battles on the way. It will take time.


here is one thing I don't get then. Spahira and Greeni can get kids. But who will their kids have children with? Eachothers?


But we don't know what VOS will do. I can't honstaly see Eragon deafeat Galby/Shurikan & Murtagh/Thorn alone as the only rider. I know that Saphira is good, but not that good. I know that Eragon is strong, but not that strong. If the VOS make Eragon to superman that would be much much worse than depending on the third rider.

Don't forget that an entire elven army is also coming. They will get through enemy lands over ten times faster than the varden. Plus, the varden now have eragon and twelve other elves who will make the siege of a city much easier.

Greenie and Saphira's kids may very well do that. We know nothing about Dragon's in this sense. The book is very vague so it is indeed possible. Let's remember that Dragons are a completely different race than humans.

I never said anything about the VOS making Eragon superman. But remember that solumbum said that when Eragon is at is weakest and all hope is lost. That seems to insinuate that he will try to beat Galby on his own and lose. All hope would seem lost then wouldn't it?
Anyways, my main point here is that they are not just going to confront Galby and defeat him right away. And let's admit it, even if there was a major time skip or the book spanned six months (which would kill it) and Greenie hatched for Arya, is there really any chance that she and Eragon with their respective dragons would stand a chance against Galby and Murtagh? Galby tore down the riders and defeated vrail. Do you really believe that two new dragon riders would stand a chance against him, even with murtagh not helping him. Even if murtagh was on the good side they would pose no threat to Galby.

Did I ever say they would lose the whole thing? No! I said they will most likely lose their first encounter with Galby (or it could be murtagh who shows eragon just how weak he is, you never know).
And of course something magical will happen. I think I stressed the VOS quite a lot in my last post, and I thinjk all of us know the VOS is magical.
I'm not saying that what I suggest is going to happen. I'm saying it would make the book far more interesting.

I'm siding with gomenesigh here. If Eragon is about to lose there is no way he can get away. Remeber that Galby is strong enough to keep Oromis/Glaedr at bay trough a nother boddy miles away.

As gomenesigh said, he would be captured and it would be over.
There won't be tow fights agianst galby.

Then there is no point for the VOS in the books.
And with Murtagh's help they could get away. Let's remember that he is serving Galby under duress, so by the time the first encounter with Galby happens he could be just about ready to break from his clutches. If he distracted the king long enough Eragon and Saphira would have enough time to get away, and as they glanced behind them they would see Galby finishing Murtagh off blablablablabla.

So you're basically saying murtagh will die laughing still evil? Ok, I respect your opinion. However, considering you believe that the egg will hatch for Arya in enough time for her to help eragon battle Galby, I think that leaves murtagh quite a bit of time to do some research. If what you think about Arya happens, what I think about murtagh is very likely. If not then I'll just be happy that CP didn't screw up the book by making Arya help fight Galby with her dragon.
And also the characters have said a lot of things that they haven't followed through on, the greatest of these being Arya saying she would never get together with eragon and then during the very next book getting close to him. So murtagh can still do something good. He could even sacrifice himself without knowing it. Also, CP writes things in the classic 'hero saves the day and gets the girl way' and a bad guy turning good at the last minute fits right in to that.
Finally, eragon just seeing that murtagh is super-powerful isn't going to make him lose all hope and go immediately in search of the VOS. He already knows what is going on with murtagh so he already knows he is getting more powerful by the day. It's going to take a complete defeat to make him realize just inadequate he is.

This is not about who you want/hope/prefere to be the next rider.
It's about who you think. And given what CP has said it is obvious going to be Arya. However new informations has come up.

CP has aid that he is almsot done with the book, but hav'r decided the name for the new dragon yet. This can mean that he won't hatch until the end. Or he might have hatched before that, but CP just hasn't writen down his name yet.

@gomensigh: Murtagh trying to release himself at any time is idiotic. Do you honestly believe that releasing himself even a thousand miles from Galby is any safer than doing it right next to him? Galby has thought of all the angles already and I can assure you he is not going to be beaten by distance. Also, Murtagh doesn't have to try to free himself to break free. He could change without meaning to in Galby's presence. The what should he do? Just stand there and wait for Galby to once again subdue him? Or should he fight?
@The Librarian: Actually it is about who we want, hope, prefer, and think. Notice the title which does not have the word think in it.
CP has never said it is obviously going to be Arya, that is the the common (and most likely true) belief.
Also CP has said he hoped it would be a surprise, so either he doesn't know how easy it is to see that Arya will most likely be the nect rider, or it is someone else.
About the dragon name thing, if he hasn't come up with a name yet then it will probably hatch near the end. If it isn't that's just stupid. Why write about a very important character without deciding on a name?

The tittle says: Who will the next Dragon Rider be?
Not Who do you want it to be. We are to discuse who we think it is and why. Otherwise it wouldn't be a discussion. It would just be a worthless place where members went around with opinions and without any fact to back it up with. You can state what you hope fore, but the main discussion is about who it WILL be and not who we prefer.


Not right out in the blue.
But many quots from him points at it.


CP also did thought that we coulden't guess who Eragons reall father was......


I'm not so sure. You can still write the story without the name.
CP said that it was hard to come up with a dragon name.

The fact is we don't know who it WILL be. I think that this topic is to express who we think it will be but also who we hope it will be. Both have exactly the same importance. And people usually back up their hopes with facts from the book too.
Many quotes from him points to it? Well then he's not doing a very godod job of concealing it easily.
But unlike brom being eragon's father there is not much room to argue against Arya here. There is an overwhelming list of things that point to her while for Brom it could have gone either way.
But who does write a story without a name? It's not a smart thing to do. It shows a lack of planning and most likely bad writing.

Not for sure, but it is still more than obvious that it will be Arya.


Do they? With what we think we can provive evidence and argue about it.
But going on with what we like would be pointles. You are not having an argument when people are going on with that some one wants Arya to be the next rider because she looks good or that some one wants it to be Elva since they think she is cute.


How? If they are saying that they want Arya to be the next rider because he/she likes her and are using what CP has said, they don't suport their "hope" but the theroie. Facts are for arguments.


never said he did. In fact I have said many times that he has made it more than obvius that it will be her.


Agreed.


In this case if he does it, CP would.

It is obvious that it will be Arya because of extremely bad writing. So far the whole series has led up to the question, "Who will the next dragon rider be?" That is a fact. It is the most important question, and, to me, the only one I really care about as the question of where the characters are going isn't that interesting any more (murtagh of course isn't included here). As I said, it is the most important question. However the most important question has been answered before the first page of the final book has been read. Utterly stupid.

The hope/think thing is way off topic now so I won't be talking about it. (the real reason is that i had typed out a lenghty reply, however my electricity decided that that was a good time to take a nap)

Guys I am posting this here because I dont know where else to post it but here seems kinda like the place:1 CP said that the new rider will be someone who was in all the books 2 something I realized because I am re-reading all the books, is angela's prophicy " Angela pointed to one of the bones. ' I will start here, ' she said slowly,' because it is the clearest to understand.' The symbol on the bone was a long horizontal line with a circle resting on it. ' infinity or long life, ' said Angela quietly." So eragon wont die!!!!! i think its overlooked because everyone already knows that because he's a rider he'll have a long life, but at the same time everyones saying he might die because of this and that

My point is, ( and sorry about the prediction thing ) Some people are saying that hes going to die trying to save someone, and thats not possible, because of her predictions, but your right and I should take this else where oops Oh and dont forget CP said the new rider will be someone who has been in all the books, so that crosses out those two girs who Angela cast the bones for, and the egg wont hatch at all guesses. Oh and if anyone had those, then I didnt mean to put you down, I'm just saying they cant be.

People have been saying he's going to die? Never heard that one before...

her predictions still don't rule out that the dragon could hatch sometime near the end of the book.

i totally agree i think the egg will not hatch or the egg will hatch , but the dragon dies .

There's been talk of the dragon dying?
That would be varaug all over again!!

That would be true. Having Greeni die at a young age won't do the series any good.

Though, in my opinion it would be Arya. Though, only when certain conditions are met regarding to changes in her personality.

The egg WILL hatch, but the dragon could die... I dont think so though, too sad and that would mess everything up. The egg could still hatch for someone on the other side though, right? Hmm just thought of angela. Shes not on the other side, but shes older then you would think, so she knows some things and wouldnt need to be trained very much, but more then arya would need to be. Someone said ( and Im not sure who so I cant give exact credit ) Everyone is saying arya is too obvious it wont be her so even if it is her it would be a twist because everyone said it wouldnt be! I thought it was very funny

I just had a thought. If the elves weren't letting anyone in Du Weldenvarden after the fall of the Riders, then Angela must be older than Arya, cause Oromis remembered her being there a long time ago.

I think Arya is a little bit obvious, but I can't come up with a better theory than her. She wouldn't require as much training because she can already fight and use magic. Her magic is green so that could be a clue that it's her. And I was playing Eragon on my old SP the other day and there's a part on there where you have to find a 'blade of grass' for this little girl. When you find it, it says that the blade is green (like a Rider's sword), and Arya is the only character that can use it.

Hmm, I got a question. Where are u all so sure from that the dragon is going to be green? I dont remember something like this said in the books. Has CP said that is an interview or something?