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Leaving Saphira?
This topic is connected to the one a few below it. The one about what the Menoa tree wants. If it is prefered that I post in that one, that is fine with me.
Okay, me and my mom were driving down the road, discussing things that might or might not be happening in the fourth book. When we came to what the Menoa tree wanted, I said,"I bet you that she's going to ask him to leave." My mom said nothing. Then,"That could be it. But the Menoa tree asked for something, and Eragon replied with 'Anything'. What would the hardest thing, the greatest sacrifice, be for him to do? I think the Menoa tree is going to tell him to leave Alagaësia....without Saphira."
I argued with her all the way to our destination. I agree that it would be the greatest sacrifice. Doing that would tear him apart. But then I countered with,"Now wait. Remember Saphira's words after Nasuada accepted him as her vassal? 'Bound to you, your oath binds me. As an individual, however, your oath holds nothing over me. I could kidnap you, if I must, to keep you safe.' As Eragon was talking to the Menoa tree in the language of the elves, his word is binding. Paired, that holds Saphira. Apart, it does not. Even if the Menoa tree did ask him to leave without Saphira, she could still follow him because on her own, she is not bound with his word.
But another thing that could be done is that Saphira could disgorge her Eldunari and give it to Eragon, so that they could still be in contact.
And if neither of those things work, then there is Glaedr's Eldunari. If Eragon has to leave without Saphira, he is without a dragon. Glaedr is without a Rider. They could pair up and comfort each others pain.
Now, I know I'm probably starting a huge uproar of disapproval. But look at the facts. The menoa tree asked for something, Eragon agreed for anything. Angela never said,'you and you companion will leave and never return.' she only said,'You will leave and never return.' Eh? Angela never said he was going to be leaving with Saphira.
Please don't be angry with me for trying to separate Eragon and Saphira. I'm simply doing what this site was created for; discussing the books. Don't kill me.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
I have heard that Eragon has a vision of two dragons flying away but I have never read this and I've read the books many times. Doesn't that surely mean he will leave with Saphira since the fortune said he would leave Alagaesia?
Also, no one has ever commented on the idea I have had. What if she already got what she wanted? Does no one else find it strange that Eragon felt a strange pain in him after he agreed to give her anything?
I don't think she would ask him to leave because that doesn't help her at all. It wouldn't benefit her at all. It would be more likely that she asks Saphira and the dragons to leave so there are no more fire-breathers that could burn down the forest.
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True, but it could also go the other way. Saphira could leave and Eragon could stay. All Eragon saw was two people and two dragons. That does not mean that he and/or Saphira are any of those four. Eragon could stay, and so that Saphira isn't lonely, Arya goes with her, along with the new dragon and Rider. That vision could mean any number of things, along with Angela's fortune. Whether he goes or Saphira does, it will tear both of them apart.
I didn't even read that he felt a slight pain in his stomach....I'll have to go over that again.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
but it was saphira who burnd the tree not eragon
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
It's on page 659. It says, 'As the ore came to rest on the surface of the rich black soil, Eragon felt a slight twinge in his lower belly.' I don't see why she would make him leave since that doesn't affect her and why dould the Menoa Tree wait? There is a chance Eragon may not even return to Ellesmera and if he does he probably wouldn't try probing the tree again else the consequence of making her mad and I don't think she is powerful enough to find him all the way across Alagaesia.
Angela uses actual magic to do the fortune reading so its pretty much certain he will leave.
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I found where he has the vision. It's in Eragon on page 81. The name of the chapter is Deathwatch.
He watched as a group of people on proud horses approached a lonely river. Many had silver hair and carried tall lances. A strange, fair ship waited for them, shining under a bright moon. The figures slowly boarded the vessel; two of them, taller than the rest, walked arm in arm. Their faces were obscured by cowls, but he could tell that one was a woman. They stood on the deck of the ship and faced the shore. A man stood alone on the pebble beach, the only one who had not boarded the ship. He threw back his head and let out a long, aching cry. As it faded, the ship glided down the river, without a breeze or oars, out into the flat, empty land. The vision clouded, but just before it disappeared, Eragon glimsped two dragons in the sky.
Someone gets left behind in that vision. I believe it could be Eragon or possibly Murtagh.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
I think it would be Murtagh before Eragon. I really think that he is going to leave. Thank you, DragonSlayer4, I have been looking for that for such a long time. I don't know why I could never remember it.
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I found that thing you were talking about. The twinge in his lower belly? It made me think a little bit about what that might have meant. Cp wouldn't have put it there unless it did something later in the story. Hmmm.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Which is exactly what I have been meaning and the fact that it happened as the brightsteel was coming up and the fact that the Menoa tree didn't ask for anything makes me think she already got something.
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Hmm. Must think about this and what the Menoa Tree might have taken from him. It wouldn't of been Saphira's Eldunari. You think she would have been able to tell if her entire conscientiousness had been removed from her body without her consenting to it. And I've heard some people mention that it was Eragon's fertility she took, but that's just ridiculous. What would she want with his fertility? She's a freaking tree!lolol
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Even if that is true, e relationship shouldn't be based on what happens in the bed. *blushes* Sorry, but its true. A relationship should be based on the feelings you hold for each other; love. Whether it be a brotherly love, sisterly love, or some kind of other love out there. If Eragon loves Arya, and she returns the feelings, that should be all they need. Nothing more nothing less. Although the no family is ineresting. That would depress Eragon into thinking that he could never have a relationship with Arya, cause he wouldn't be able to give her the children she deserved. Hmm. The plot thickens.lol
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Well, I mean she didn't necessarily have to take that away from him. She is very powerful, she could have did something so he will never be loved, maybe she never actually took something but did something to him.
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But what? That's the question. If she did take and/or do something to him, what was it? Gah. I'm going to a headache trying to think of the possibility's now. Great.lol Do you have any ideas about what she might have taken from him that fated day? Cause as of right now, I have none.lol
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I think that the price will be to leave Alagaesia. It is the only thing that seems to fit. What I'm wondering is why the couple in Eragon's dream was taller than everybody else.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
There is no reason why the Menoa Tree would make Eragon leave. It does not do anything for her and there is a chance they will never even meet again so there isn't really much she could do to force him.
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Okay, but still why was the couple in Eragon's dream taller than everyone else?
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I don't know. I don't really remember that part. It could be an elf couple or just two tall people. It could be someone from Nasuada's tribes. Eragon isn't exactly the tallest person either.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
What if Angela's wrong about only that thing.She said tha he is the more complicated person she has ever read.She may have made a tiny mistake or what if by saing that she doesn't mean alagaisa(except if it is mentioned in the book,i can't remmber right now)but something smaller like Carvahall or the spine or something like these,and what if those two persons leaving are Galbatorix and Murtangh(propably in exlie)alongside with their dragons.They're still two people and 2 dragons,and the menoa tree could ask eragon to banish his own brother from this land,it's also a painful decision...
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
There would be no reason for CP to write something wrong in the book when it has already been mentioned by several other characters about Eragon leaving Alagaesia.
Angela couldn't have meant anywhere near there because she did not know where Eragon was from. She didn't even know the direction from which they came.
Galby won't be banished it is pretty obvious it will be a fight to the death because there is not other thing that can happen. If Galby lives he will not be forced to do anything and he would do whatever he could to undermine his enemies.
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But if he's beaten(but not killed)he won't be that strong.So if they decide not to kill him they will surely banish him or enslave him...
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
That's like saying dragon riders aren't strong. He would still be a threat if he lived and there is no way they can force him to leave or enslave him unless they find his true name which no one can speak.
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But it's logical to say that he won.t be that strong if his beaten.They will take the eldunari from him and then he will less strong than Eragon,remember that he is older than Brom and if you say that brom was not very powerfull then surely galbatorix will be the same
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
1. Brom was no longer a dragon rider his dragon had died. 2. Brom was a formidable opponent, he admitted that he was never that strong but he made-up for it by outwitting his opponents by thinking spells and filling up objects like Aren. 3. Galby is too big a threat to leave alive. He wiped the dragon riders without the eldunari. 4. If they did leave Galby alive then the varden would lose popularity and would have to provide Galby with security as many people would try to kill him.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Or he would try to kill them. He would still be able to cast magic. Galby would be more powerful than Brom because he knows much much more about magic than him. He would have cast spells and made wards that made him more powerful.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
I really don't think that he will. If he leaves without Saphira it will be forever. The times he's left Saphira before he has come back. He wouldn't leave her if it was forever.
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He could leave without her if he has to. We all know he is strong enough to even if no one likes it.
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I don't think that she would leave him either.
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or he might have to leave her at the end of the book from the tree here is the link to the forum of it viewtopic.php?f=80&t=7663
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Because Eragon's bond with Saphira is deep enough to the point where they are one being, i think that he would rather wage war with the elves before he let them seperate him and Saphira.
I believe they would have to forcibly seperate them if it came down to it.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Do you remember the Eldunari? Saphira could give Eragon her Eldunari, and then fly over when she's finished whatever she's doing. Eragon could be on vreongaurd. And if he rode on saphira, would that count as him not setting foot, an alageaisa again!
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Possibly haha they've done it before but disgorging her HOH could be a bad idea, if they were to capture eragon before she could come back then both of them would be lost.
(i wonder if thorn has disgorged his..)
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Thorn probably was forced to by Galby if anything. He wouldn't do it on his own while being his prisoner. And Eragon can't be going to vroenguard because he is leaving Alagaesia all together.
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True... he is going to leave Alagaesia however i think he could go to Vroenguard. Notice that it doesnt say when he'll leave Alagaesia just that in the future he will and if he lives indefinately then it could be after the war or in a thousand years.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
Actually, he probably can go to Vreongaurd. As some bits and peices of backround-info search on other inheritance forums, I found something intresting on Shurtugal.com. A member asked, "Would Vreongaurd count as leaving Alageasia?" and his reply was, "No comment." You know what that means. I think it's highly probabable he can.
And I agree with Pandeamon (@ Pandeamon, have you read the Golden Compass? Because that's the name of Lyra's deamon.) about Thorns Eldunari. Perhaps Eragon could steal it once Galbatorix is overthrown and de-twist Murtag and Thorn.
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And I agree with Pandeamon (@ Pandeamon, have you read the Golden Compass? Because that's the name of Lyra's deamon.) about Thorns Eldunari. Perhaps Eragon could steal it once Galbatorix is overthrown and de-twist Murtag and Thorn.
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
That's assuming that Galby has his Eldunari and even if Eragon could get it Murtagh would never let him keep it. Murtagh would want to get it back.
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@dragongirl Actually i get that alot, i know the reference but it means the dawn of new age, i think the whole phrase is Pan daemon Aeon.
@gomenesigh Ya your right not only would Thorn and Murtagh want that back, but i think Eragon would give it to them readily enough, (if not just cause he is a benevolent person.)
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Re: Leaving Saphira?
I don't think Eragon will leave Saphira, I don't even think the Menoa tree will tell him to leave. I think Eragon will leave Alagasia on Saphira and next to him on another daragon is Arya, I think she becomes the next dragon rider.
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