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 Does Elva Have Powers??? Other than sensing pain? 

Who thinks she does???
Elva DOES have powers 45%  45%  [ 5 ]
Elva COULD have powers 36%  36%  [ 4 ]
Elva DOESNT have powers 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
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Ok, this has come up in two threads that ive read. In the first i said i didnt think she had controll of magic, i the second i said she might. And in this one i am saying she might. I think that the mark saphira gave her could very possibblly giver her the abbility to controll magic. Glaedr tells Saphira and Eragon that in the very earliest days of Alagaesia, people could controll magic, just by will. However it would often be to much and would kill them if they werent strong enough to controll it. This is how Izlanzadi made flowers fall from the sky without speaking, and how the elf Eragon was sparing with freed himself from Eragongs spell, which didnt allow him to speak. So maybe Elva is just strong enough that she can do this. She told Nasuada that she couldnt do any thing about the pain and suffering she was feeling, so she grew bigger. She also may have cooled her room, which is disscused in another thread called "how did angela make the air cold in the castle room". Who else thinks this is a possibiollity??


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It's a slim possibility that she has powers. Remember, that Eragon has to remove his curse, and she will probably get to her correct size.

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I think Eragons curse has nothing to do with it. I think it has everything to do with Saphira's mark on her forehead. I dont think shes bonded to Saphira but I think it gave her that abilitty. So Eragon removing his curse would still leave Saphira's mark.


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I agree with you.... What I thought that since she has the mark, she has the ability to use magic at a young age. I also thought that was the reason why she ate so much. :oops:

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Whoa i just thought of something else. But its stupid and makes no sense at all. i was gonna say she was eating because the magic was taking upher energy, but as far as we know it just makes you tirede not hungry. she may also eat because she is punished for not helpinng some one in trouble by retchinng (a.k.a. throwing up) which could also make her jungry cause shes emptying her stomach. kinda gross.. and third mabey her abilitty to sense pain affects her like that.. it is a kind of magic, butmaybe it just makes her hungry instead of killing her. oh one more, she did make herself grow big and learn to talk fairlly quicklly. id call it a growth spurt on speed, so shed probabblly eat mor, just like going through a normal groth spurt.


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You know Elva is still farily young she could likly develop the more adacned ablities you mentioned duing a more intermidate age (like 10 for instance) due to ther considerbale growth spurs

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For the two people who already voted, yes i changed the question. i was talking about besides her power to sense pain and protect from it. if that changes your answer just say so.


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oh well she might you never no (but likly not during the third book according to CP she will not play a significnat role in the next book)

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oh well she might you never no (but likly not during the third book according to CP she will not play a significnat role in the next book)

Which leads me to believe that she Doesn't have other powers.

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i guess you are right their.... :roll:

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Well i get that, but some would say her part in this book was insugnifficant. i dont see it as that but some might. so how insignificant of a role is she gonna play? where did he say that. I mean Eragon cursed this girl, they cant just throw her out of the story.


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they will likly end it prromptly and move on what else could you excpect?

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i think eragon and saphira are to attached to this girl to just leave her.


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Really waht gives you that idea?

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HE CURSED THIS GIRL. THIS BABY. rrmrmber how devestated he was when
Oromis told him what he had really done? he hated himself. he wont just fix it and say oh well thats that, and not care weather it works out. and saphira is as much eragon as he is her so she will feel the same way, plus she gave her the mark. thats gotta do something. im not sure what, but it just has to mean something...


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As of now all Eraogn due is elminate the curse and properly bless her other then that waht else can they do?

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hes gonna wanna know how it works out. hes not just gonna desert her. i dont think he'll see that its all he can do and then just leave it. hes just not that kinda guy.


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True he may stay in Sudra for an addtionol 2 weeks to moniter the reults but other then I see nothing else occruing between them

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But i dont think he'll stay away. he'll come back. or the varden will fowllow them, or the varden will move and he'll go see them there. hes not gonna juat leave ANY of them. Arya, Nasuada, Elva, Orik. thats not gonna be the end of his interactions with the varden. I jusrt dont think it will happen.


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Sure that works too I guess!! :D

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thats just what i think. it may turn out completlly diffrentlly, but thats how i see it.

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Yah great job!!Any we your right it may turn out diffrently after tall this book is all about concidecne

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the only powers she has is what eragon gave her, and all that eragon gave her was to sense pain

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Powers by which she can see pain a couple hours in advance, telling the future through pain and suffering in advance to their occurrence is definitely power if you ask me.

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Yep thats what many of us are asssuming right now. But others think she may have other in addtion to her well comfimrend ones

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I am not saying she doesnt have POWER. she does have the power tto sense pain and suffering even a few hours into the future. but i think she has additional powers through saphirahs mark.


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Yep and I agree with you their!! :D

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orik did I belive she missinuttpted my phrase!! :(

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Alfakyn~elda wrote:
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Yep thats what many of us are asssuming right now. But others think she may have other in addtion to her well comfimrend ones


The ancient language does exactly what you tell it to do. There are no mishaps.


What do you mean. Who said anything about a mishap?


Eragon gave her the ability to shield others from pain. Nothing more, and Nothing else. There is no "caterpillar SHE HATH ZE POWAR 2 REED Minds!"

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did you read any of the first three pages. we are SUGGESTING that because of the mark Saphira gave her, ELva mayhaveother powers.


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ya, and also you may wish to properly jusitfy your answers otherwise this would be considered unreasoable deabting!!!!

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i think she has more powers than sensing pain and i think she will be a very key factor in book three, she will use her "other" powers before this trilogy ends

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Alfakyn~elda wrote:
did you read any of the first three pages. we are SUGGESTING that because of the mark Saphira gave her, ELva mayhaveother powers.


Did Eragon say any other words to Elva in the AL after he turned her into a shield?

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i dont think so. he just made her a shield then saphira touched her and then they flew away

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Yes but that marked embed on her face could be the result all of these sppoantanise ablititles, that is all were pointg out!!!!

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Lord Zaragonth wrote:
Yes but that marked embed on her face could be the result all of these sppoantanise ablititles, that is all were pointg out!!!!


The Ancient Language does what it is told to do. Nothing more Nothing else. the mark was probably just a mark that would keep the "blessing" in palce

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yes that is a possibbilitty. But the mark was saphirra's own gift. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ERAGONS CURSE. noone is debating the fact that she can sense pain because of hte words that Eragon said in the AL. Noone is saying that Eragon gave her other powers. we get that he made her a shield. BUT MAYBE SHE HAS OTHER POWERS! POWERS TAHT WERE GIVEN TO HER BY SAPHIRAH NOT ERAGON!!! try reading some of the first two pages. its got some pretty good debate between myself and Lord Zaragonth that testifies that it is highlly likelly she has other powers.


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Aflaka-edla has a great point their!!!!and thus I think you should follow his request instead of being stubburon and arragont Orik!!!!!

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Yes she does, remember when she went inside of Eragons mind.


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Alfakyn~elda wrote:
yes that is a possibbilitty. But the mark was saphirra's own gift. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ERAGONS CURSE. noone is debating the fact that she can sense pain because of hte words that Eragon said in the AL. Noone is saying that Eragon gave her other powers. we get that he made her a shield. BUT MAYBE SHE HAS OTHER POWERS! POWERS TAHT WERE GIVEN TO HER BY SAPHIRAH NOT ERAGON!!! try reading some of the first two pages. its got some pretty good debate between myself and Lord Zaragonth that testifies that it is highlly likelly she has other powers.


All i saw on page 2 ad 1 that had any significance were what zaran.. said about being young. I am sorry but what you said was somewhat meaningless, other than when you said that saphira was connected.

My input: Eragon gets his magic through saphira correct? In order to make a spell stronger you can also merge powers with your dragon right? So thats basically what they did. They merged powers and the scar was just a sign of the curse.

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how is it all meaning less???!
we think that since saphira and Eragon are two totally separate people and dont have to rely on each other for magic, that maybe saphira gave Elva powers as well. there are several testements to this, such as her making herself grow larger, and possibbly cooling the room. please explain to me why the curse HAS to be connected to saphirah's mark!????

When did Elva conttact Eragon with her mind Pita? that could be important too.

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Yes she does, remember when she went inside of Eragons mind.


But any magician can do that. The twins could. Galby could. Brom could. Elves could.

@the hell part, must I explain the laws of the proof

In order to prove something wrong you need only one Counter Example, but to prove something correct, you have to make it so ALL the counter examples are neutralized.

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i think she has more powers than sensing pain and i think she will be a very key factor in book three, she will use her "other" powers before this trilogy ends




she cant, eragon said in the AL that he'd remove her curse after the battle.

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OrikTheMighty wrote:
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Yes she does, remember when she went inside of Eragons mind.


But any magician can do that. The twins could. Galby could. Brom could. Elves could.
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In order to prove something wrong you need only one Counter Example, but to prove something correct, you have to make it so ALL the counter examples are neutralized.


EXACTLLY!!! YOUI SAID IT YOUR SELF! in these books a magician is someone who can control and direct energy. That is how Eragon explains magic while studying with Oromis. So if she is a magician, (which is a peson who can do magic, magic being the base word of MAGICian) you are saying she has powers othere than sensing pain, which is the power Eragon gave her. she doesnt do it because she wants to but because she has to. which wouldnt be her controlling and directing, it would be something else. so she isnt doing the magic, which would not make her a magician, and since you said she was a magician, she must have other powers.
Hows that for a counter example?

I already know what the deffiniton of a proof is, and i havent found any counter examples to the theory that she does have powers, and i have read this entire thread...


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Alfakyn~elda wrote:
OrikTheMighty wrote:
Pita wrote:
Yes she does, remember when she went inside of Eragons mind.


But any magician can do that. The twins could. Galby could. Brom could. Elves could.
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In order to prove something wrong you need only one Counter Example, but to prove something correct, you have to make it so ALL the counter examples are neutralized.


EXACTLLY!!! YOUI SAID IT YOUR SELF! in these books a magician is someone who can control and direct energy. That is how Eragon explains magic while studying with Oromis. So if she is a magician, (which is a peson who can do magic, magic being the base word of MAGICian) you are saying she has powers othere than sensing pain, which is the power Eragon gave her. she doesnt do it because she wants to but because she has to. which wouldnt be her controlling and directing, it would be something else. so she isnt doing the magic, which would not make her a magician, and since you said she was a magician, she must have other powers.
Hows that for a counter example?

I already know what the deffiniton of a proof is, and i havent found any counter examples to the theory that she does have powers, and i have read this entire thread...


The proof part wasn't directed toward you. Eragon didn't give her the power to cast spells.

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January 7th, 2007, 9:09 pm Profile
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No he didnt. I didnt say he did. i meant that the power to sense pain was the power Eragon gave her.

Who was it directed at?


January 7th, 2007, 9:13 pm Profile
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Alfakyn~elda wrote:
No he didnt. I didnt say he did. i meant that the power to sense pain was the power Eragon gave her.

Who was it directed at?


Whoever it was that sad hell. You seem to be stumbling with your background. However, wasn't this whole thread about the powers Eragon gave her? She could've just been gifted with magic in the first place. Magic is not a power, its a gift.

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the only person i saw say hel* was you.
how am i stumbling with my back ground?
no it was about any powers she might have other than sensing pain no matter how she got them.
that is a wonderful theory that had not come to my mind.
That is debatable. it is a gift yes, but you cant say it isnt a power, or isnt power...


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