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The Last Dragon
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Joined: January 4th, 2006, 9:35 pm Posts: 31
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The Name
Why is Eldest called Eldest? Because someone told me it was because of Oromis, but I thought it was because of Murtagh being the Elder/Eldest son, next to Eragon.
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February 22nd, 2006, 9:12 pm |
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HaydenBlowers91
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you thought right it wasn't named eldest for oromis although i thought that at first it is one of those things you do not find out until the end of the book
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February 22nd, 2006, 9:13 pm |
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The Last Dragon
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Joined: January 4th, 2006, 9:35 pm Posts: 31
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yay i was right!
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February 22nd, 2006, 9:37 pm |
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na-heela
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Joined: February 8th, 2006, 1:49 am Posts: 91
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I always took for granted that it was because of Murtagh... Could it be something else?
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February 23rd, 2006, 12:04 pm |
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volleyball_chic
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Joined: February 2nd, 2006, 1:12 am Posts: 116
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ya i always thought it wuz becuz murtagh wuz the eldest
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February 23rd, 2006, 12:09 pm |
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Fathskie
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In chapter "Eldest" and Murtagh's line about "Zarroc should be with the eldest not the youngest" I realized it must be the reason of the book title.
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February 23rd, 2006, 1:01 pm |
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Eragons twin sister Erais
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The title didn't make sense to me in tell I finished the book.
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February 23rd, 2006, 3:16 pm |
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Svit-kona
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I agree with "Eldest" referring to Murtagh, but notice his quote, saying that he is Morzan's eldest son/child, not his elder. Eldest implies, to be grammaticly correct, that there are three or more children. Eragon is named the youngest, so who comes in between . . . ?
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February 24th, 2006, 4:39 am |
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erocks
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me!!! jk. umm that would be kool if the third one was the next rider. and it could be a big fam of dragon riders and it could be a girl.
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February 24th, 2006, 4:43 am |
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Argetlam
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Quote: I agree with "Eldest" referring to Murtagh, but notice his quote, saying that he is Morzan's eldest son/child, not his elder. Eldest implies, to be grammaticly correct, that there are three or more children. Eragon is named the youngest, so who comes in between . . . ? Svit-kona thats a very true statement. I wonder if that could be true... It would be an amazing prediction if it was. However it is also possible that Paolini used the term 'eldest' to fit the six-letter title that could only be there... do you think so?
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February 24th, 2006, 10:55 am |
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Eragon_shadeslayer_13
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I agree that there might be another relative of eragon. That is a good idea and is another question to be answered by book 3.
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February 24th, 2006, 4:07 pm |
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na-heela
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I will be deluded if the next dragon rider was another Eragon's relative..
Don't you guys think it would be too much repetitive in the story?
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February 27th, 2006, 5:01 pm |
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Firetongue
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The whole trilogy is called inheritance, and murtagh's INHERITANCE would have been zar'roc because he is the ELDEST!
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February 27th, 2006, 5:04 pm |
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Glenwing
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Makes some sense, don't it. Has there ever been a female rider? We were never told about that. Paolini's statement was most likely a harmless one and eldest or elder are both appropriate words to be used.
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February 27th, 2006, 9:18 pm |
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Nicho
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wow *slow claps* that refrence to eldest instead of elder was great perhaps CP screwed up or there is a middle child! lol
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February 28th, 2006, 12:50 am |
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Shade of Fear
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Well, if Svit-Kona is right, then i do belive the other child would be Elva. She has no known parents, just like Eragon in the 1st book
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February 28th, 2006, 12:54 am |
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Nicho
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like i said great theroy
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February 28th, 2006, 12:57 am |
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Enron
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Svit-kona wrote: I agree with "Eldest" referring to Murtagh, but notice his quote, saying that he is Morzan's eldest son/child, not his elder. Eldest implies, to be grammaticly correct, that there are three or more children. Eragon is named the youngest, so who comes in between . . . ? that could be an error or it could be intintional or just the two who knows
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April 5th, 2006, 1:19 am |
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Silver rider
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Shade of Fear wrote: Well, if Svit-Kona is right, then i do belive the other child would be Elva. She has no known parents, just like Eragon in the 1st book
it wouldn't because eragon is the youngest, and he is alot older then Elva!
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April 5th, 2006, 6:12 pm |
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forkman
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this is indeed a perplexing universe........... I think the middle child will be an elf because i dunno a girl elf to....... maybe we can just say eragons mommy was half elf and yeah... and then there all like WOAH!!!!!!!! and she'll be like "wooooo im goot at magic and shtuff" HEAR ME ROAR!!!!!!!!!!
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April 9th, 2006, 9:08 am |
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Firetongue
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lol, it would balance it out I guess, but what about the name?
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April 9th, 2006, 9:21 am |
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forkman
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hmmmmmmmmmm....... something smooth that rolls off the tongue... not an ugly name like Murtagh *vomits* Enlia? Elina? Emelia? Milla?
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April 9th, 2006, 10:32 am |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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Who would name there son Murtagh
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April 15th, 2006, 1:36 pm |
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Firetongue
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Morzan, that's who.
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April 15th, 2006, 7:29 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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it's M and M
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April 15th, 2006, 7:34 pm |
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forkman
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Morzan was obviously so depressed that his parents called him morzan that he thought "I know my son should suffer with a bad name like mine" and called him murtagh. Then Selena got pregnant and left and thought "Let's make this child somewhat more fortunate" and called him Eragon. Hey she died yeah? Or did she nick off into the spine or somthing?
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April 15th, 2006, 11:16 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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we don't no wat happened to her she didn't die i think
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April 15th, 2006, 11:18 pm |
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forkman
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maybe she'll come back and ruin everything.... I hope not..... I dont think the book would do to well if Eragon had a mother............ it'd be to emotional and stuff...........
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April 15th, 2006, 11:24 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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maybe she died before morzan did
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April 15th, 2006, 11:26 pm |
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forkman
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well morzan wouldn't know anyway because she nicked off WAY before he died
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April 15th, 2006, 11:27 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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of course she did
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April 15th, 2006, 11:30 pm |
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forkman
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is that sarcasm?? anyway I reckon she won't come back CP is too good for that
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April 15th, 2006, 11:31 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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no it weren't sarcasim and sees dead as a dodo
i think the vault of souls could be in the spine cos Galby lost half his army there once
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April 15th, 2006, 11:33 pm |
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forkman
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good point. And thats like the place everyones so afraid of and stuff. And no one ever goes there (except for eragon because he's spweshul) so it wouldn't have been found or anything. MAYBE it's got something to do with the grey folk.
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April 15th, 2006, 11:36 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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there're all dead
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April 15th, 2006, 11:38 pm |
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forkman
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are they? do you REALLY believe that? cause I do anyway I mean maybe they made the vault of souls before the whole big kaboom thing
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April 15th, 2006, 11:40 pm |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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they killed themselves
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April 15th, 2006, 11:41 pm |
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Firetongue
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kind of off topic here...
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April 16th, 2006, 11:16 am |
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forkman
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ummmmmmmmm................. so what WAS the topic?
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April 16th, 2006, 11:21 am |
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Firetongue
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Why is eldest called eldest? It is because Murtagh is the eldest son of Morzan. So there.
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April 16th, 2006, 11:39 am |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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short topic
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April 16th, 2006, 12:37 pm |
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forkman
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I think eldest is a nice name...... rolls off your tongue
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April 17th, 2006, 7:40 am |
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Eragon the 1st elf
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not really it would be hard to have a 6 letter name starting with e
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April 17th, 2006, 1:03 pm |
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forkman
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what the hell?
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AnnieBee
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Re: The Name
The Last Dragon wrote: Why is Eldest called Eldest? Because someone told me it was because of Oromis, but I thought it was because of Murtagh being the Elder/Eldest son, next to Eragon.
Actually in the scene where Murtagh takes Za'roc from Eragon he says it. So I agree with you. The title is literal as Murtagh is the Eldest of the two "brothers."
(Fingers crossed, hoping they are only half-brothers)
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Re: The Name
Christopher Paolini answered this question at www.alagaesia.com[color=#000000]. He said that it was referring to Murtagh being Eragon's elder brother; but also to all the people who are older and wiser than Eragon like Arya, Roran, Nasuada, Oromis, Gladr etc.[/color]
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