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thedragonwing
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First, you must understand that it is possible to tell an untruth in the ancient language. You see, just because Murtagh said it in the AL doesn't mean that it's true, just that he believed it was true. That was the entire reason Eragon wrote a poem for the Agaeti Blodhren: so Islanzadi could tell Eragon that it was possible to tell untruths in the AL, if you really believed that they were true. So because Murtagh has seen no evidence showing that Eragon could not also be a son of Morzan, and because they do share a mother, he believes that Eragon was also the son of Morzan.
Now, for the extensive evidence:
P. 546
"Son and Father alike, both blind as bats".
This is about betrayal. Brom was blind to Morzan's betrayal, and Eragon was blind to Murtagh's betrayal.
Consider this quote from page 280 of Eldest: (Oromis) "Morzan was my greatest failure. Brom idolized him. He never left his side, never contradicted him, and never believed that he could best Morzan in any venture. Morzan, I'm ashamed to admit-for it was within my power to stop-was aware of this and took advantage of Brom's devotion in a hundred different ways. He grew so proud and cruel that I considered separating him from Brom. But before I could, Morzan helped Galbatorix to steal a dragon hatchling, Shruikan, to replace the one Galbatorix had lost, killing the dragon's original rider in the process. Morzan and Galbatorix then fled together, sealing our doom."
"You cannot begin to fathom the effect Morzan's betrayal had on Brom until you understand the depth of Brom's affection for him. And when Galbatorix at last revealed himself and the Forsworn killed Brom's dragon, Brom focused all of his anger and pain on the one who he felt was responsible for the destruction of his world: Morzan."
I think that sums it up.
Riddle #3 - This is the most important one
p. 546
"While two may share two,
And one of two is certainly one,
One might be two."
While two sons (Eragon and Murtagh) "may" share the same two parents (Morzan and Selena),
And one parent of two parents, the Mother-Selena, is certainly the same one parent of both sons,
One parent, the Father, might be two Fathers (Brom and Morzan) each having one of the sons.
What in the world could this riddle be about if it doesn't support the two-father theory?
One last fact: Blagden never met Morzan so he could not have been talking about him. Morzan was never blind. He knew exactly what he was doing. He was after power. Brom was the only one who was blind by his insane idolization of Morzan.
Eragon pages 281-282:
While they spoke, Saphira crawled into the cave and greeted Eragon. She was glad to see him, but there was deep sadness in her thoughts and words. She laid her big blue head on the floor and asked, "Are you well again?"
"Not quite."
"I miss the old one."
"As do I... I never suspected that he was a rider. Brom! He really was an old man - as old as the Forsworn. Everything he taught me about magic he must have learned from the riders themselves."
Saphira shifted slightly. "I knew what he was the moment he touched me at your farm."
"And you didn't tell me? Why?"
"He asked me not to," she said simply.
Eragon decided not to make an issue of it. Saphira never meant to hurt him. "Brom kept more than that secret," he told her, then explained about Zar'roc and Murtagh's reaction to it. "I understand now why Brom didn't explain Zar'roc's origins when he gave it to me. If he had, I probably would have run away from him at the first opportunity."
"You would do well to rid yourself of that sword," she said with distaste. "I know it's a peerless weapon, but you would be better off with a normal blade rather than Morzan's butchery tool."
"Perhaps. Saphira, where does our path go from here? Murtagh offered to come with us. I don't know his past, but he seems honest enough. Should we go to the Varden now? Only I don't know how to find them. Brom never told us."
"He told me," said Saphira.
Eragon grew angry. "Why did he trust you, but not me, with all this knowledge?"
Her scales rustled over the dry rock as she stood above him, eyes profound. "After we left Teirm and were attacked by the Urgals, he told me many things, some of which I will not speak of unless necessary. He was concerned about his own death and what would happen to you after it. One fact he imparted to me was the name of a man, Dormnad, who lives in Gil'ead. He can help us find the Varden. Brom also wanted you to know that of all the people in Alagaesia, he believed you were the best suited to inherit the Riders' legacy."
Tears welled in Eragon's eyes. This was the highest praise he could have ever received from Brom. "A responsibility I will bear honorably."
"Good."
Clearly Brom has told Saphira of things that he wouldn't want revealed to Eragon until he is mature enough. Eragon would undoubtedly be distraught enough after losing his mentor, and to find out that Brom is also his father would completely confuse and demoralize him at a time when survival is paramount.
Eldest page 656:
Saphira ruffled his hair with a gust of hot breath. "Just remember, whatever Brom's reasons, he always tried to protect us from danger. He died saving you from the Ra'zac."
"I know.... Do you think he didn't tell me about this because he was afraid I might emulate Morzan, like Murtagh has?"
"Of course not."
He looked at her, curious. "How can you be so certain?" She lifted her head high above him and refused to meet his eyes or to answer. "Have it your way, then."
This is an enormously important quote. Saphira is waiting to tell Oromis/Glaedr (she might have done so already) about Brom being Eragon's father. I think it's a sure bet that Oromis will be the one to tell Eragon the truth. Just like in Book 1, Saphira knows that Eragon isn't quite mature enough to receive this information.
Plus, if you look at it from a logistical standpoint, you'll notice two things: 1) Inheritance is a coming-of-age story/trilogy, and Eragon shouldn't (and hasn't) come of age by the end of the second book and 2) Christopher Paolini just dropped a huge bombshell a mere 4 pages ago that Morzan is Eragon's father - that would be absolutely horrendous writing to reveal something like that and then change it 4 pages later. This "revelation" is the big twist at the end of the novel. It's just that we'll find out that it wasn't really a twist after all.
There is a chapter in Eldest titled "Inheritance." In it, Murtagh takes Zar'roc from Eragon and claims it as his inheritance. This conveniently leaves Eragon without a sword. In the third book Eragon will get his inheritance and his proper rider's sword (meaning that it matches the color of his dragon).
We are never told what happens to Brom's sword. It is only mentioned indirectly when Eragon converses with the elf sword maker Rhunon. She mentions that there are only two of her swords left (other than Morzan's and Oromis'), and they happen to each be held by two elven families. One is Brom's, and the other is likely a green sword that will go to the rider of the green dragon.
This makes Brom’s sword Eragon’s inheritance, and this is the Inheritance Trilogy, after all.
However, there are some other questions that must still be answered. For example, why, if Brom was Eragon’s father, would he not raise his own son while both live in Carvahall? And why would Brom never tell Eragon that he was his father?
In response to those two questions: there was no evidence whatsoever to imply that Eragon would be a rider in his early life. Brom was there in Carvahall to watch over him, and he did teach his son all about the old ways. When Eragon went to Brom's to ask him questions about the riders Brom answered all of his questions. One of the best ways to teach is through stories, and in order to have Eragon learn more he had to be interested in riders and their history. I also think that if Brom said that he was Eragon's father and a Rider, Eragon would be a whole lot less likely to believe that the riders really did exist and that they had fallen. If you're told that all of the riders are dead, except that this ordinary storyteller that everyone's known for 15 years is one, the stories would be a whole lot less credible.
There's also the fact that if Brom told Eragon that he was his father, other people in Carvahall would probably find out and word of it might leak back to Galbatorix. If Galbatorix found out that the last remaining rider and his son were living in Carvahall, I believe he would have left Uru'baen and gone out to destroy the village.
Thirdly, if Eragon knew that Brom was his father, he could possibly reveal it when someone enters his head (like the twins) and the odds were reasonable (and it actually happened in the book) that the one(s) who find out that Eragon is Brom's son worked for Galbatorix. If Galbatorix found out that the newest rider that wasn't under his control was the son of Brom, he would have to assume that he was raised by Brom, and was the beneficiary of a lifetime of teaching by Brom. Since we know Brom was powerful and strong enough to have a hand in the deaths of eight of the Forsworn, his lifetime knowledge passed down to his son would make Eragon a much more deadly enemy than if Eragon was raised by a random farmer and never had any contact with Brom. If Galbatorix believed that Eragon was Brom's son, he himself would have flown to the battle at the end of Eldest, and it would have been a forgone conclusion.
And the big question: if Brom is indeed Eragon’s father, then how on earth would he and Selena have a chance to "make" Eragon?
The potential for an affair comes to mind, or for a king Arthur-type situation. Or, as we don’t know exactly how long Selena was missing from the castle ("many months" is a very unclear length of time), she could have met Brom and fallen in love with him after running from the castle. Bear in mind that around the time of Selena’s disappearance, Morzan was off searching for Saphira’s egg, which had just been stolen, so would not have been around the castle or seeing Selena at any time. And that give Brom ample opportunity to see her.
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brisingr_ebrithil
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wow now im convinced brom must be eragons father
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December 24th, 2006, 3:13 pm |
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thedragonwing
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lol, i wish. i got that from shurtugal.com.
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im trying 2 make u seem smart u dnt say u got it from shurt'ugal.com lol
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December 24th, 2006, 3:21 pm |
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blasphemer!!! i could tell that that was from the land of evil! we don't need it!
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December 24th, 2006, 4:07 pm |
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IMNOTCRAZY, go hide
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thats a little harsh isnt it
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December 24th, 2006, 6:15 pm |
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i think it would be cool if brom was really his father. And somebody said the "poem thing" that the bird said backed up that theory and i think he is right.
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December 24th, 2006, 7:42 pm |
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Lord Zaragonth
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Yup though perplexing at some points he appears wiser then most
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brisingr_ebrithil wrote: im trying 2 make u seem smart u dnt say u got it from shurt'ugal.com lol
That's one reason why we should always credit the source either at the beginning or the end of the post. By doing this you acknowledge the source and avoid getting into ugly "misunderstandings!!
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December 26th, 2006, 5:29 am |
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murtagh never said that they had the same father just the same mother
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Oh yes he did tell Eragon about Morzan being their father. He told Eragon loud and clear this "fact." I am going as far as quoting it for your benefit!
"Perhaps. But before I let you go..." Reaching out, Murtagh pried Zar'roc from Eragon's fist and unbuckled Zar'roc's read sheath from the belt of Beloth the Wise. "If I have become my father, then I will have my father's blade. Thorn is my dragon, and a thorn he shall be to all our enemies. It is only right, then, that I should wield the sword Misery. Misery and Thorn, a fit match. Besides, Zar'roc should have gone to Morzan's eldest son, not his youngest. It's mine by right of birth."
A cold pit formed in Eragon's stomach. It can't be.
A cruel smile appeared on Murtagh's face. "I never told you my mother's name, did I? And you never told me yours. I'll say it now: Selena. Selena was my mother and your mother. Morzan was our father. The Twins figured out the connection while they were digging around in your head. Galbatorix was quite interested to learn that particular piece of information." Eldest. 652
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dew rules
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oh i guess i forgot thanx
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Not a problem, once you read and listen to a book as many times as I have, you kind of get it embedded in your head.
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December 26th, 2006, 7:45 pm |
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Lord Zaragonth
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Have you guys ever noticed how Eragon and Murturg emulate their heridtery fathers? Eragon is well blind and foolsih as was Brom during some point and Mururgh is graduly being corrupt by power as was Morzan though this was in fact during the majourity of his life
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Absolutely, I have noticed it and even mentioned it someplace around here. That's where Blagden riddle comes into play.
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Lord Zaragonth
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Ya taht works I suppsoe
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December 26th, 2006, 10:18 pm |
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Pita
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Why not? Makes more since with morzan. Then also brom and eragon have blue female dragons helping them prove they are similar. DNA makes father and son similar right?
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i guess, but this falls under the lines of inheritence, not genetic inheritence. lol.
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Pita
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Murtagh could be lying because he believed them to have the same father, right?
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I'MNOTCRAZY wrote: I DO AND I CAN PROVE IT!!! well, i have a boatload of evidence.
here is my boatload of evidence:
Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."
So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.
very good point and it probly is true sum1 ought 2 ask cp if that were rite but still
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That could be very likely, cp did say in an interview he will reveal another family member of Eragon.
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January 7th, 2007, 6:36 pm |
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dragonmaster
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yer and blagdens riddle works out a bit like that
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http://www.shurtugal.com/?id=trilogy/book3/theories#4
Prove that Brom could be Eragon's father.
(I am not advirtising!!!!)
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dragonmaster
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that does partly prove that brom is eragons father but wat if cp decides to do answer this question the same as he will the 3rd rider?
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Pita wrote: Why not? Makes more since with morzan. Then also brom and eragon have blue female dragons helping them prove they are similar. DNA makes father and son similar right?
DNA also makes it so theres a probability that Eragon won't even have any resemblance to Brom.
Example:
I have blonde hair, but my dad has brown, and my mom has brown. The gene that controls hair colors are
B- Brown, B Prime- Black, b- Lighter color. My dad was heterozygous for brown hair so I got the genes bb.
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no. you are wrong. hair color is controled by multiple alleles and multiple genes. you can't categorize people's hair color in one of only 4 phenotypes.
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That my friend is called spam. I'd appreciate if you would not do it again!! Thanks!!
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_________________ taking someone's dragon for a joyride... not one of my better ideas "I suppose I won't see you for a while, so farewell, best of luck, avoid roasted cabbage, don't eat earwax, and look on the bright side of life!" - Angela [/color]
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Excuse me, As a Moderator of this site, I have every right to point out to a member whenever the same has committed an ooops! And that was exactly what I was doing. AND I am very much aware of my duties and responsibilities, thank you very much!:wink:
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January 17th, 2007, 6:10 am |
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*Peeks in*
Brom is not Eragon's father. So much of the story and irony would be lost if that was true. Brom is old enough to be Eragon's great-grandfather and I'm sure that Eragon's mother was infinitely younger during the time Eragon was born anyway.
Like I said, if that were true, the irony and the story would lose a lot.
Also, the author said HIMSELF that he named the book "The Eldest" because Murtagh was Eragon's OLDER brother. Don't believe me? Check out his site.
Here's what he said:
Question: " Why did you name the second book Eldest?"
Paloni's Answer:
"The title Eldest has several layers of meaning, some of which will not become apparent until Book III. It refers to Murtagh being Eragon’s older brother. But it also refers to Roran, Nasuada, Katrina, Orik, and all the other characters who are either older than Eragon or who are dealing with their own inheritances and assuming the tasks and responsiblities of the previous generation."
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Princess Elayna wrote: *Peeks in*
Brom is not Eragon's father. So much of the story and irony would be lost if that was true. Brom is old enough to be Eragon's great-grandfather and I'm sure that Eragon's mother was infinitely younger during the time Eragon was born anyway.
Like I said, if that were true, the irony and the story would lose a lot.
Also, the author said HIMSELF that he named the book "The Eldest" because Murtagh was Eragon's OLDER brother. Don't believe me? Check out his site.
Here's what he said: Question: " Why did you name the second book Eldest?" Paloni's Answer: "The title Eldest has several layers of meaning, some of which will not become apparent until Book III. It refers to Murtagh being Eragon’s older brother. But it also refers to Roran, Nasuada, Katrina, Orik, and all the other characters who are either older than Eragon or who are dealing with their own inheritances and assuming the tasks and responsibilities of the previous generation."
No one has denied the fact of Murtagh being the Eldest, after all, he IS Morzan and Selena's FIRSTBORN. Brom being Eragon's father does not change that fact. However, if it turns out to be true that Eragon IS Brom's son, then automatically he also becomes Brom's FIRSTBORN!!!
Can you please explain me how did you conclude that "Brom is old enough to be Eragon's great-grandfather"? It really does not add up. How is it that Brom and Morzan being of the approximate same age and Morzan could father Murtagh and not be a great-grandfather to him, while you believe that Brom would be a great-grandfather to a child 3 yrs younger than Murtagh. It does not make any sense!!! At least, not to me!
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Brom came across as being old by having a long white beard. I understood that they were like 100+ years old.
And by saying that Brom is Eragon's real dad is basically saying that Selena was cheating or unfaithful to her husband, Morzan. I really don't like that because I understood that Selena was a better person than that- having a bad husband doesn't justify cheating on him.
I suppose it could work out, but I'll be VERY disappointed if it was true. The irony and a lot of the story would be gone...
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she never married him. she just fell in love with him, and then he used her. she realized this and wanted better (ie Brom).
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*Sighs and shakes head* I'm too lazy to go back and find the line that made me think that they were married.
And if she did love him, she wouldn't have cheated on him.
But whatever ^^; I'm kinda tired of arguing this.
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Princess Elayna wrote: *Sighs and shakes head* I'm too lazy to go back and find the line that made me think that they were married.
And if she did love him, she wouldn't have cheated on him.
But whatever ^^; I'm kinda tired of arguing this.
I had to look through tons of posts but I found the one that can answer those questions. I am quoting myself, BTW:
Garrow was a very proud man, just like Selena! Hummmm He moved into the farm house AFTER his wife died. He chose to live far away from the town of Carvahall, against all sound judgment. Why? He KNEW how to read and write. Why did he not pass on this skill to both Eragon and Roran? -he did teach them their number though! He did not doubt the "stone" was magic related.
My thoughts are: Selena was somehow involved with the recovering of Saphira’s egg. As Morzan's "personal messenger" she was privy to inside information. After realizing he never loved her, she hated Morzan for how and who he was and represented Let's list the reasons: -he wooed her into falling for him -he takes her away, but does not marry her -he teaches her some magic, not for her sake but to use her as a tool -she gets pregnant and he isolates her; again not for her protection but for his -she gives birth to her son and is separated from him by Morzan and he takes her back to his castle (you guys cannot imagine how in awe a new mother is of her child after it is held in your arms for the first time, I do I'm a Mom!) -she is allowed to see him ONLY when HE says so -he almost kills Murtagh at the age of three -he's constantly on the go on Galbatorix's instruction fighting the Varden who ARE GOOD! If these are not enough reasons to hate him and turn against him I don't know what would.
Selena at some point meets Brom. She shares her sorrows and they become fast friends. She is already convinced of Morzan's evilness and decides to kill two birds with one stone: Help the Varden and exact her revenge. She gives important information of the Empire to Brom Brom and Selena fall in love She learns more about the Varden their goal and aids as she can She becomes pregnant, again but fears for her unborn baby and "disappears" Galbatorix sends a legion of his people to find her She returns to Carvahall, has Eragon and entrusts him to Garrow; gives no details so as to protect her baby and her brother (though I believe she must have told him something and kept it to himself) She returns to Morzan's castle sick and brokenhearted, but does not know yet Morzan is dead In the meantime Morzan has been killed, and one of the eggs has been retrieved Shortly after her return, to be exact, 14 days after her return she dies.
So there it is! There is a lot more to Garrow and Selena than what CP has told us. This is what I have read “in between lines” of the story. You can agree or disagree! It’s fine by me!
Princess Elayna, if these are not enough reasons for Selena to have ended up hating Morzan, I don't know what are!!!
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I TOTALLY AGREE I THINK THT BROM IS ERAGON'S FATHER!!! THE PROOF IS ALL THERE AND IT IS TRUE THT MORZAN NEVA WENT TO ELLESMERA SO THEREFORE NEVA MET BLAGDEN, THE ONLY PERSON THT DID WAS BROM, SO IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORAN BUT IT WAS MOST PROBABLY WAS BROM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALSO BROM HAD A BLUE DRAGON ASWELL, NOT THT THIS MEANS ANYTHING BUT MURTAGH HAS A RED DRAGON LIKE MORZAN SO ITS KINDA RUNNIN THAT ERAGON HAS BLUE DRAGON THEREFORE BROM IS HIS FATHER!!!!!!!
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Annie,
Those are /very/ good points you've made. So good that I wouldn't be /as/ surprised if it turns out that Brom is, in fact, Eragon's father.
However, I'm still not completely convinced, but that's okay- there's no need to spend time trying to convince me.
I mainly just like the idea of Morzan being Eragon's father- because then you can see the a parallel between Murtagh and Eragon.
It was very climatic when Murtagh told Eragon that Morzan was their father in the end of Eldest... and if there was another moment where it turns out that Brom is actually his father- it wouldn't be as climatic and it would leave me thinking, "Oh... right..."
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I realy dont thing Brom is Eragon's father. It would be tooooooo BORING! C'mon guys! and more: dont you remember Angela's prediction for Eragon's future????? She said the betryal would come from Eragon's family, nothing more natural than his own brother turn to the dark side! If Murtagh is just Eragon half brother, who would betray him?????
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Brom is Eragons Daddy!
I really think that you are all right on this one and thank you for pointing that out for me!
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Princess Elayna wrote: *Peeks in*
Brom is not Eragon's father. So much of the story and irony would be lost if that was true. Brom is old enough to be Eragon's great-grandfather and I'm sure that Eragon's mother was infinitely younger during the time Eragon was born anyway.
Like I said, if that were true, the irony and the story would lose a lot.
Also, the author said HIMSELF that he named the book "The Eldest" because Murtagh was Eragon's OLDER brother. Don't believe me? Check out his site.
Here's what he said: Question: " Why did you name the second book Eldest?"
Paloni's Answer: "The title Eldest has several layers of meaning, some of which will not become apparent until Book III. It refers to Murtagh being Eragon’s older brother. But it also refers to Roran, Nasuada, Katrina, Orik, and all the other characters who are either older than Eragon or who are dealing with their own inheritances and assuming the tasks and responsiblities of the previous generation."
brom is younger than morzan so wat u sed cant b true
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Murtagh456 wrote: I realy dont thing Brom is Eragon's father. It would be tooooooo BORING! C'mon guys! and more: dont you remember Angela's prediction for Eragon's future????? She said the betryal would come from Eragon's family, nothing more natural than his own brother turn to the dark side! If Murtagh is just Eragon half brother, who would betray him?????
quite true except for half brother is still family
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dragonmaster wrote: Princess Elayna wrote: *Peeks in*
Brom is not Eragon's father. So much of the story and irony would be lost if that was true. Brom is old enough to be Eragon's great-grandfather and I'm sure that Eragon's mother was infinitely younger during the time Eragon was born anyway.
Like I said, if that were true, the irony and the story would lose a lot.
Also, the author said HIMSELF that he named the book "The Eldest" because Murtagh was Eragon's OLDER brother. Don't believe me? Check out his site.
Here's what he said: Question: " Why did you name the second book Eldest?"
Paloni's Answer: "The title Eldest has several layers of meaning, some of which will not become apparent until Book III. It refers to Murtagh being Eragon’s older brother. But it also refers to Roran, Nasuada, Katrina, Orik, and all the other characters who are either older than Eragon or who are dealing with their own inheritances and assuming the tasks and responsiblities of the previous generation." brom is younger than morzan so wat u sed cant b true
You've missed the important part.
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