As in every book it is Nasuada. I dislike and cant stand her at all.

To be fair they are so much more than the other races.

And when it comes to Arya...
I think that it is quite bold to criticizes Arya to much. Even if some don't get it, we have almost only seen Arya trough Eragons eyes. And that boy is in love with her. Arya is not the most beautiful woman in every one eyes. But she is it in Eragons just as Roran sees Katrina as the most beautiful one. We have only seen Arya from a human perspective and from one who loves her. It's nothing but obvious that she as an elf would be painted in that way. The humans are by far weaker than the elves. By that point we are nothing but doomed to see Arya from a "weaker" perspective and from one that adores/love her.

We have yet not once seen anything form Aryas Pov, but yet people have the gut to think that they know enough about her to say that she is seeing her self as better than every one else?

We don't know Aryas feelings. We don't know how she is reacting. We don't know how she is thinking. She as an elf are masters at controlling their emotions for the eye. She as an elf are acting like an elf. But that don't mean that she thinks her self better.


I think that it is extremely narrow to look down on Arya given what PoVs we have seen her from.

I dont like the most of the elves too. Like Rugnon (im not sure that was the right spelling) said, the elves has become too polite, they don't understand the meaning of the friendship, like it is for men and dwarves. Arya is different because she has spent long time outside Du Veldenvarden and because of the tortury in Gil Ead.
I also dislike the twins - they are traytors and I can't stand that. I can rescept Galbatorix and Ra'zak, because they are loyal to their own ambitions and nature, but to change your side like the twins and being so proud without any real power on your side, that's kinda strange for me.

But it does. From a human perspective Arya will always look superior no matter what.


I tend to prove you wrong.

Give me one quote where she has been arrogant. And cold?
Hello? In Eragon we first saw her awake near the end when she came back to the war again just after the torture and death of Glenwig & Fäolin. Where and when do you think that she suddenly should forget all that and be happy again?

And in Eldest Arya was far from cold. She was the opposite. Eragon was a real immature jerk who lusted for her the whole book. Yet Arya was too kind to him when she rejected him and did every thing she could to save their friendship. And that she succeeded with as well.

And you most have some kind of black out when you read Brisingr?

You should tend to that before we set forth." She gave him no time to respond but grasped his paralyzed fingers and said, "Waise heill." An involuntary groan escaped him as his fingers popped back into their sockes, and his abraded tendons and crushed cartilage regained the fullness of their proper shapes, and as the flaps of skin hanging from his knuckles again covered the raw flesh below.
"Thank you," he said. It surprised him that she had taken the initiative when he was perfectly capable of healing his own wounds. Arya seemed embarrassed. Looking away, out over the plains, she said, "I am glad you were by my side today, Eragon."
"And you by mine."
She favored him with a quick, uncertain smile. They lingered on the hillock for another minute, neither of them eager to resume their journey.
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She gave him a wan smile. "And then you came, Eragon. You and Saphira. After hope had deserted me and I was about to be taken to Galbatorix in Uru'baen, a Rider appeared to rescue me. A Rider and dragon!"
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"Reaching out, Eragon placed his right hand over her left. "The stories about the heroes of old never mention that this is the price you pay when you grapple with the monsters of the dark and the monsters of the mind. Keep thinking about the gardens of Tialdari Hall, and I'm sure you will be fine." Arya permitted the contact between them to endure for almost a minute, a time not of heat or passion for Eragon, but rather of quiet companionship.
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"Satisfied with what he had wrought, he handed the lily to Arya. "It's not a white rose but..." He smiled and shrugged. "You should not have," she said. "But I am glad you did." She caressed the underside of the blossom and lifted it to smell. The lines on her face eased. For several minutes, she admired the lily."
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"Walking over to Saphira, Arya placed a hand on Eragon's left leg and looked up at him with her slanted green eyes. "Accept this from me, Shur'tugal," she said. And he felt a surge of energy flow into him.
"Eka elrun ono," he murmured to her.
Also in the ancient language, she said, "Be careful, Eragon. I would not want to see you broken by Murtagh. I..." It seemed as if she were going to say more, but she hesitated, then removed her hand from his leg and retreated to stand by Blödhgarm."
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"You should not abandon your guards so lightly," Arya murmured in Eragon's left ear. She wrapped her sword arm around his waist and held him tightly as Saphira wheeled above the courtyard."
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"Better?" he asked as the spell finished its work.
"Better," Arya whispered, and favored him with a weak smile."
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"Arya staggered as if she had been hit. "Ah," she said. She gripped the back of the chair so hard, her knuckles turned white. Tears filled her slanted eyes, then spilled over onto her cheeks and coursed down her face. "Eragon." She reached out and grasped his shoulder, and almost by accident, he found himself holding her in his arms."
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“So few have ever killed a Shade and lived.
That is because they fought alone, not together, like us.
Not like us.”


It is a awfully narrow way of thinking if you expected her to react like a human. If you have failed to notice she is an elf. And elves are not like humans. By CPs own word, elves are masters at hiding their emotions for the eye. She acted as the elf she is. Weather you understand that or not is not my problem.

Never the less, opinions are built on facts and understanding. Something you seem to lack when it comes to the books.


And here I though that we had grown past the personal flaming =/


Fine. Base your opinions on ignorance if you want then. But you are making a fool out of your self when you are argueing with no knowledge at all.


Something we have in common is that we are both her and are arguing.
The difference is that I have a point and a meaning behind it. How much better is your life then when you have nothing better than to going around here in ignorance?


No, but you did (as always) fail to make a point. Or less even a stand.
You say that she is a cold hearted character. I say that it was a trauma in [color=#0000FF]Eragon. You say that she is a cold hearted character. I say that she was the opposite in Eldest where she manage to save hers and Eragons friendship when he was acting the way he was.
You say that she is a cold hearted person. I say that you are wrong, because the times we saw her in Brisingr she was only a bit reserved with Eragon the first time they met. Ever after that you are completely wrong.

But honestly. You are quite smart. You can't be basing your whole opinion on just ignorance and your personality. Give some reason behind your thoughts. You most have read the books.


I know what it means. You however fail on making your point with it.


By here own words.

"But if you had known me before Gil’ead, if you had known me as I was, you would not have considered me so aloof. Then I could sing and dance and not feel threatened by a sense of impending doom."


Look at the quote above. There she tells Eragon her "real" character.
But since you tend to be ignorant I shall try to enplane her actions in Eragon.

At the start of the Series, she is ambushed by Durza where she loses Fäolin and Glenwig who had been her companions for over 20 years to Urgal arrows. She didn't even get time to mourn them for she was tortured in the most despicable way for no less than 5 months. She lost all her hope and will of survival.
[Brisingr] Chapter: Shadows of the past:
I thought, ‘Now I must surely die as well.’)

But she was kept alive just to be tortured for information which she never gave away. She went to brink of insanity in her own words.

Even after she was rescued and revived from the poison that nearly killed her, she didn't have time to recuperate from her losses for she had matters of politics and war to see to.

Be honest here gomenesigh. Do you think that we saw the "real" Arya here. Was she really always as she was in Eragon?

You don't argue with opinions. I am using "bits and pieces" because they unlike opinions makes a stand in the topic.


Well.... Do you see any one else other than you who ignores the fact?
I don't care so much about what you think of Arya. But I do find your lack of reason behind it extremly amusing.


No, it don't. It realy don't.


I have never denied that she has been acting cold. Because that has been the affect from what she has gone trough. But that is not her charcter weather you realize this or not. Eragons character is one of a golden heart, happy and a bit childish. But when he is sad for something, it dosn't changes his charcter. It's the same with Arya.


Oh, but it does. It proves what her character is like.


This will change Arya for sure. I have never said any thing else so hold no illusions. But this is an effect from what she has gone through.
Her character is who she is. And it is not the "real" Arya we have seen in the first two books. Her character will not be the same as before, but it's not the one we have seen in Eragon and Eldest.


And that is the affect from what she has gone through. You said that you dislike Arya because she was cold hearted. But she is not cold hearted.
She is acting like this right now because of what she has gone through.
This is an effect and not the "real" her.

This is also strenghten in Brisngr whre she is starting to heal with Eragons help. She is starting to come "back."

It't not that. It is the reason behind it. Stupid of me to care so much, yes.
But it does bothers me when a person judge a character who he/she knows nothing about.

gomenesigh said that she dislikes Arya because of her character. I reacted since gomenesigh obviously didn't knew anything about Arya and based her emotions on ignorance or perhaps on what she liked.

By your own words gomenesigh you did called her cold and arrogant. Yet you knew nothing of her.

So basically I am all going on about her motives.

No. You are ignorant because you ignore things when you judge. It is really that simple.

lucky you that no one is forcing you to reply let alone read ^^


Don't drag the mods down. They are doing their job. They will warn me if I start to insult any one.


*sigh* You are impossible.
But a question here then. When you judged Arya, what did you based that on?


Now I am curious..... It seems like I forgot where I called you stupid.
Can you please be so kind an enlighten me in this matter?

It depends on how you see it. Ignorant is not an insult in my eyes. It is a fact.


You can't base a discussion/argument on what persons like or want.
It's not a discussion if I go around and says that galby is a good guy because I think so, and then says that the fact doesn't matter because I don't agree with it. There is a difference between a discussion and an opinion.


I partly agree. I could have been more polite, but I stand for that you can't base you opinion on what you like in an argument. Because then it would not be a discussion and be more or less pointless.



I found her character utterly boring and her ego is to much. She often do things on her own and ignores that she isn't the only leader. Something that resulted a reaction from Orrin. By all rights. That she is young is not really an excuse. Because then she shouldn't be the one to lead the Varden. And I don't like the power she has. She alone controls the single handed most powerful person within the free races. In a way I don't even trust her =/

How wonderful..... Back to assumimg things again?
While Arya is my favorite charcter I do not "love" her. And I do not insult you because you think diffrent than I.

It's very simple actually. I call you after how you are acting. It's very fitting as well.

By going on what you like and ignore the fact I can pretty much say that Hitler was a really nice guys because I thinks so. While the facts says otherwise.... How cares about them? They are not important at all. What every single person thinks overrules the facts. No? Or how is it?

Fine by me then. Who needs a reason behind the opinions any way? <__<