well there was a nother topic like this and there was some debating in it so i thought id start it again with a poll...

Well i do think dragons once existed... i mean you had the Plesiosaur's which were a type of swimming dinosuar, also the Pterosaur's which are a type of flying dinosuar... these two could be the closest relitives to a dragon. Take the body shape and size of the Plesiosaur, and the flying ability of the Pterosuar. if you merged them together you would have yourself... well a dragon

they have existed!!!! We made not have proof, but people are still finding dead exstinct things today. Dragons may still be alive, but on a different planet!

i'm just trying to make a point, mabey someone made them up, but what if they really do exist somewhere. Dragon is just a word.

*sigh* You just never learn, do you? First of all, you can't say there isn't life on other planets. The universe is, by scientific standards, infinite, so there is bound to be many other inhabited planets. Secondly, how do you know that dragons are not aliens? Perhaps they are. Once again, the universe is infinite, so I would not be surprised if there was a fire-breathing, winged reptilian somewhere in the universe. So once again, I win this arguement.

No you don't win because you can't prove that there are dragons on other planits thus this is just anouth battle of opinoins and that is all.
I think it might have been posible for dragons in the past but unlikely.

yep witch makes it hard for anyone to state their opinoins but I agree with you. No life on other planets and the univers is not forever.

have you people ever read Stephen Hawking? He goes into the nature of time and space very well and is the foremost leader in cosmology. He wrote in his book, A Brief History of Time, that universe, although expanding, is an infinite entity. Nothing can measure it's true length, thereby making it infinite.

But sense we cant messure it doesn't mean it goes on for ever. It could stop we just arn't capable of seeing where it does stop.

but, in the scientific world, if something can't be measured, it's classified as infinite.

hmm i dont know it is possible that there is air on other planets..., just like the scientists finding water on mars... there had to be oxygen there sometime and what about other planets we havent discovered yet...

It is highly debated whether or not the Universe is infinite. The red shift does NOT prove that the Universe is infinite. The VAST majority of cosmologists believe that the universe is infinite, but at this time there is no way to prove it either way.


We are or SHOULD BE talking about if dragons have existed on THIS planet. I think it's a load of crud. I mean it seems tempting to make up a story about a giant flying lizard that can breath fire. There has been ZERO evidence of dragons. There has been EXTENSIVE digging of all sorts. If there ever were dragons, we would know about it.

yes they dig a lot. they find new types of skeletons all the time.... and the way scientists put they to look like is still only an exageration... so what im saying is either a skele hasnt been found of a dragon or maybe there has been.... look at the flying dinosuars they found... they cant put them together exactly. maybe they could be a small form of a dragon

but they HAVEN'T, which is my point. they haven't found ANYTHING, so there is no evidence that there ever were dragons. In fact, it is COUNTER-EVIDENCE that they haven't found anything.

actually, they aren't finding so many new large dinosaurs lately, and none really with wings.

you assume, but do you really know?

do you really know ANYTHING??? we could all be living in The Matrix and we are being harvested for energy and your parents are really programs. WE CAN'T KNOW ANYTHING!!! You just have to use common sense and logic. What's the chance that we are in the Matrix? not much. What's the chance that there were ever Terrestrial Dragons? again, not much.

but there is a posability that they once existed!

stop clinging to a 1 in 1000000000000 chance!!!

Okay nobody said that you had to believe in them, but there are people that do!

and they are either crazy, can't separate fantasy from reality, or they are trying to be different and get attention.

no mabey thats just what they believe, people are different. We all believe in different things, so you can't judge people over what they believe because they are different from you.

i can because it's an overbearing fact that Dragons are a myth.

DO you have any proof?

the fact that there is no proof or even evidence that there were ever Dragons is enough to say that there were never any. I really don't understand why you put faith in something as silly as the existence of dragons.

theirs no proof on either side so nobody wins

can you at least give me a reason why you put faith in something as silly as the existence of dragons?

its a secret no I just believe that they once and might exist somewhere else, there are other planets!!

but their are other galaxies outside ours. and some of the planets withing those galaxies may support air.

Thank you.... i also mentioned this in the other topic that there is most likely more plants that have oxygen.... i mean look at mars, and the scientist finding water there well water is H2o and whats the o= oxygen

he's talking about O(g). and dragons would have to be on THIS PLANET or else they would not be dragons. We could say there would be unicorns on another planet. Maybe there is something very SIMILAR to a unicorn, but it's not a unicorn unless it is on EARTH.

what? now i'm confused!

basically, she's saying that they have to be on Earth otherwise they are not dragons.

I'M A GUY!!! THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE!!! HOW CAN YOU MISTAKE ME FOR A GIRL?!?!?!?!?!?!

and YES, that's what I'm saying.

No duh dragons existed. I mean cmon have you guys ever watched dragons on the discovery channel. dragons lived at the time of the dinasours but the swimmin gtype survived the metorite. then it evolved to a land type and then became hunted down to extinction. How do you think humans first saw fire?
the answer is obvious.

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DDDDDDUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEE. THE SHOW DRAGONS IS AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL MMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAADDDDDDEEEEEEE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SHOW YOU'RE AN IIIIIIDDDDDIIIIIIIOOOOOOOTTTTTT.

hwell that was mean
hwo do you know that shes talking about the show? or does that bbbbbbuuuuunnnnncccchhhh or letters thing give away something? i dont know i never heard of it.

ya theres fires caused by natural reasons now why couldnt there been then? its not that hard to make fire, you dont need giant flying fire breaters to discover it. besides what a un-likely coincidence it would be if something that was origanly from some ones book was actully real, very unlikely. besides wouldnt we have foudnd some bones by now if there were any?

that is true, but the bones could have dissovled and the mystry of dragons could be lost forever.

i don't know. we haven't found all the fossils, so there could be one or some somewhere in this world.

and some one said how did we come up with them. well if you ask me, george lucas making up star wars, a whole different galaxie with 100s of different planetss and species that would eventualy make 100s of books takees a lot more imagination than just thinking up a cool flying reptile that breaths fire. so why couldnt some one make up dragons?

it's easier to act dumb and say that it's a giant fire breathing, flying lizard than THE EWOKS DID IT!!! Really.

becuase, and we have answered this before, scientists said that almost every culture on earth had a dragon in it.... some of these culture age back to the dark ages.... theres no way every single culture just made up a dragon... and there was no communication between the cultures for there was the ocean seperating them

they WERE created. Why do you think there is so much variation in the myths? some have antlers, some have horns, some have spiked tails, some breath fire, some bring storms to pass. Everyone wanted to put their two bits into the myth. And then there are the profound differences between Eastern dragons, Western dragons, and then there are Wyverns. Again, a flying, firebreathing, giant lizard seems something someone would come up with if they want attention.

there could be different species to match thier environment .....

who knows. People back then thought the world was flat. Dragons could be a modern myth to us, but they may exist on another planet somewhere else.

for the last time, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TERRESTRIAL DRAGONS!!! There could be Ewok-like creatures on another planet. There could be Centaur-like creatures on another planet. They are only dragons IF THEY FROM EARTH!!!

No. They could NOT be different species to change the environment. They would not evolve too much because of a lack of barriers.

Not everything we have on Earth came from earth, so i don't know what you mean. We have no proof on either side so you can't say dragons are fake and i can't say that they are real, but there is a posability that the might have existed and a posability if they are fake.

there was no life on oyther planets and if thats true so wha thats one spiecies out of the 100s in star wars. whats that compared to thinking up a flying, firebreathing reptile?

Medieval people weren't THAT imaginative and they didn't have an idea of life on other planets. There wasn't need to come up with 100 species from other planets back then. why does Star Wars matter? I don't see how it plays into if dragons exist.

what i was saying was contering the thereory that how could we know about them if they never existed, and i was just comenting on that there were many people who could have eaasily thought up something like that when some one like george lucas made up star wars.

i was just saying that they never needed to have existed for them to be in books, its completely posssible and most likely that some one wih good imagination just made them up.

Prepare yourself for a long post. I believe that there is no life on other planets, large or small. But what does our own planet hold? Only God knows for sure. Perhaps these verses were where those in medieval times came up with dragons and such. The knights would go on long quests, to do things like look for the Holy Grail, and would invent great stories to tell when they got back. Dragons may have originated there.

I'm going to bring the most reliable source of information in the world into this, the Bible.

Job 40:15-18
15 "Look at the behemoth, [a]
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!
17 His tail [b] sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.
18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron

what is this, do you think? A dinosour, perhaps? It might be.

Job 41
1 "Can you pull in the leviathan [a] with a fishhook
or tie down his tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through his nose
or pierce his jaw with a hook?

7Can you fill his hide with harpoons
or his head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on him,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!

12 "I will not fail to speak of his limbs,
his strength and his graceful form.
13 Who can strip off his outer coat?
Who would approach him with a bridle?
14 Who dares open the doors of his mouth,
ringed about with his fearsome teeth?
15 His back has [b] rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.

What does this sound like? A leviathan, like the Loch Ness Monster, or creatures whose bodies have been found in the ocean.

18 His snorting throws out flashes of light;
his eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Firebrands stream from his mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from his nostrils
as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds.
21 His breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from his mouth.
22 Strength resides in his neck;
dismay goes before him.
23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 His chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before his thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches him has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron he treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make him flee;
slingstones are like chaff to him.
29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw;
he laughs at the rattling of the lance.

This is the most like a dragon, but whether any of this should be treated as actual evidence witnessed first hand or figurative speech, is a question that should be asked by a more learned Biblical scholar, which I am not. Read these chapters, and decide for yourself. It looks like it may be figurative, but maybe not. Maybe both.

yeah, i know, but if they accuratley described a dino, (tho many think its an elephant or hippo or somthing, but a thick tail is described) maybe others existed.

then again, God spoke through people, so not necesarily were dinosours alive during job's time.

guys dont post religon on this forum its against the rules.
and yeah dinasours were before any hmuns were alive

oh, sorry. thats just my opinion, but i didn't know. no next time!

kinda off topic but some scientist belive that the lochness monster could be a pliseosuar that didnt go extint yet but who knows.. i cant remember where i heard this...

a what, i'm guessing a swimmy dino thing, but i'm bad at names like that

they've found bodies of deep see creature things, but never caught one alive

yes its a swimming kind of dinosuar lol
PS. you sig is pretty funny lol

thanks, i thought so too

i wonder if there are many of those funny named water dinos alive, or if their mostly dead

if many are alive, they likely exist really deep in the ocean, because no one finds any alive, all dead or dying

yea caterpillar like that shark they thought to be extint and they pulled one up alive but then it died at the aquarium.... that thing was sick!!! where finding new stuff all the time

well, its not a dragon, more a prehistoric dinosour of the deep, that may be still alive today

please don't turn this into a Nessy argument!!!

wasnt starting an argument on it, just some1 mentioned it and it made me think of it..., and scarecrow, i never said it was a dragon...

yeah, we were more just talking about the various prehistoric animals that once did exist and might still, evidence for their existence, and how that effects the chances of dragons having existed.

it was a lost less sophisticated and smart sounding when were actually talking about