This is just me, but maybe Shruikan will turn good because the magics that galby used wear off.


Damn Im Smart!!!

im sure this has been discussed b4, but nywayz, i doubt he an break free off galby cos if he coul y wdnt he av done it by now?

Maybe becuase of the thought of fighting a new rider would trigger shruikans memory and he would break free...
Wow , I just got a thought, maybe when eragon goes to the vault of souls, he finds shruikans original riders soul, and this persons soul goes to Shruikan, and because of their original bond, and the power of the riders, sets shruikan free of galby...! Maybe thats why he needs to go to the Vault, because Shruikan is too powerful to kill....?

i hate to crush a theory, but i really think Shruikan under Galby's control will stay a meany...

now now, we can always hope. Shruikan may very well b able to break off from galby and help in killing him, although how he will do it remains a mystery to me.

thats possible or maybe he dies while trying to turn good and kills galby with murty hopefully

i think that the VOS theory was reali good, it would help in the last fight if Shruiken (sp) and his dead but reborn rider will kill Galby

Yeah, the idea just popped into my head. I think it would be great if Shruiken turned good with the help of his original rider!

perhaps that is what the VOS will do: release the souls destroyed by Galby, both Rider and dragon. that is a very fine theory and worth starting a new topic on.

yeah this theory can actually work

Try first looking for other topics like this first.



And I saw they are both going to die even if Shrikan is good.

i like the idea i-luv-saphira tht is a reali good theory especially as Eragon needs help and it would answer all his prayer(figurativly) and give him a large advantage against Galby and Murtagh and if Arya also becomes a rider in the next book (all my votes are for Arya) there will be so much power that galby will get smushed (sorry but i m runnin out of time) by the power and Murtagh would be free of Galby and he and Thorn can free and turn good, well thats if they arnt all readi commited to the dark magics

I think theres only one problem with my theory, wouldnt galby have allready thought of the VOS thing? But also, what kind of magic holds shruikin from turning against him?

I told u im a genius ppl

A genius about what,lol

How about we get back on topic?

so weve all agreed that this theory will work right?

You mean my theory on Shruikin turning good because his original riders soul or conscience goes to him from the VOS and wakes him up to the truth?
It was just a theory so I dont know if it would work
But I think it would be great if the theory worked and Shruikin realises that Galby killed his rider....

i hope shruikian will turn good.

but ive got a hunch that hes going to kill a main character

but only a hunch

yes only if that main character is galby

Oh woe is me. I think CP has something big for old Shruiky. He might end up throwing galby off his back, turning good and goin to partner up with Saphira.

Galby didnt complete all his training.... he mite have been told about the VOS but he neva went there so he doesnt kno where it is.... he mite not even kno about it... like he knos Ellesmere is in Du Weldenvarden but he doesnt no where bcos he neva went there.... n Tronjheim he knew it was in the Boers but not where.... it sort of makes sense, Galby was ignorant in his training n turned evil b4 he knew where everything was... sort of stupid reali

Maybe if Galby gets killed then it will release Shruikan

its probably the only way that Shruiken can get freed.....Galby's power is 2 strong.... i m guessin that if he culd get free of Galby he would av done it along time ago....i dnt think he is evil, i think he may hate Galby more thn ny1 else has for killing his rider with whom he shared a bond that bound them 4 eternity n 4 trapping him 4 hundreds of years with dark magic

Is shruikan's rider even dead i dont remember the book saying that.. BUt maybe i just forgeet it saying that?

Yeah thats a good idea, weve never ead anything saying that shruikin likes galby, maybe he absolutly (sp) hates him... an would do anything to break free, but cant.....

yeah i tink in the book it said that galby killed shruikans rider and took his dragon

Oh ok I think it's coming back to me. I remembered the part about him stealing Shurikan, but I didn't remember if it said Galby killed his rider or not... But I guess he did then.

yea he did bcos to do so Galby corpted another rider, who helped him steal the hatchling and kill its rider, he thn killed his helper n fled...... or so i remember.... either way i dnt think Shruikan is evil n mayb he will b able to get free of Galby and help Eragon n Saphira... jus a thought, i kno it isnt probable

i thought that morzan was the one that helped galby steal the dragon

galby didn't kill shruikan's rider, he used DARK EVIL MAGIC to hatch him

ahh yes it's coming to me now

well it says that Galby had help to steal the hatchilng from his original rider, they killed him...or something.... i ll av to check it but i m sure thats wot it sed....

For one Galby stole Shruikan as a HATCHLING other wise the egg would not of hatched for him. Then he killed Shruikan's Rider and placed many spells over himself and Shruikan to get a mock relationship of a true rider to dragon relationship. And if what you say is true about him hatching the egg why didn't he just hatch the other three eggs stole in the last battle and finish the hole fight.
Please inlighten me!

Because he wants more riders on his side. That's why he still has those eggs, so he can amass his dragonrider army again.

I am disproving that Galby didn't hatch Shruikan but stole him and killed his rider, because if he had hatched Shruikan then Galby could have hatched the other three eggs that he stole in the last battle against the order of the Riders. Galby would of had three riders under his comand if Brom still killed the other 13 riders of the Wyrdfell, He would have 16 riders if Brom was not capable of killing off most of the Wyrdfell (that is if anja-arya is right but they are not right so this perdicament didn't hapen). But Shruikan will turn good I hope.[/quote]

I seriously doubt that Galby will turn good.

Well, we still havent seen what Shruikin is actually like, maybe he is desperate to be free of Galby, I bet that if eragon touches his mind he will feel shruikin screaming for release and his feelings of being a slave, but can do nothing about it... sadly But I still believe that eragon goes to the vault of souls to get Shruikins original riders soul, and his rider will relaese Shruikin becuase of the power of their original bond. But didnt it say some where that a dragon dies when its rider does, or was that just in the film..?

Galby wouldn't have thot of the VOS thing if he didn't know about the VOS thing because maybe the VOS thing was a secret and only certain riders know about the VOS thing or non at all knew about the VOS thing we don't even know about the VOS thing so if he did'n't knwo about the VOS thing he couldn't do anything about the VOS thing or didn't understand how important te VOS thing was to his enemies so maybe galby didn't think about the VOS thing. or maybe he did know about the VOS thing and is ignoring it, or the VOS thing is a figure of speech or the VOS thing doesn't exist and if it didn't exist then all of Galbys existence he wouldn't know of its existence because it didn't exist, and if it didk't exist then eragons existence might end because of that slight problem. i love circuitous thinking.

if galby constantly has to control shruikan than shruikan might become good but if its a permanenmt hold then shruikan might not turn good or shruikan might die. whyd do we care about shruikan anyways?

SHRUIKINS ORIGINAL RIDER IS NOT DEAD! OR SHRUIKIN WOULD BE DEAD TOO! What if galby has the original rider imprisoned somewhere...

Yes and he's being hold as hostage so Shruikan must work for Galby or his only love will be killed. Wait that sounds weird...


(...perhaps i should have skipped the love part afterall...)

Shruikan's original Rider IS dead, Oromis himself told Eragon that in Eldest. He also told Eragon that Galby then used dark magic to make a mockery of the bond that he and Saphira share. So, we know for certain that the Rider is dead and that the only reason Shruikan hasn't suicided is because Galby made that abomination of a relationship using black magic.

Or he will die because his original rider is dead

I think Shruikan will turn on Galby. I think that ERagn will injure Galby and Galby will lose control of shruiken then shruiken will turn on galby n munch him

LOL! That would be hilarious, but I don't think it's very likely.

In all likely hood, I don't think it matters. Because Personally, I think that Shruikan will not die when Galbatorix does. Shruikan is NOT Galby's bonded dragon, and there for no real bond exists. With that being the case they when galbatorix dies, it will release his spell on Shruikan, allowing shruikan to live on as a wild dragon. Because then he would not be bonded to any soul, considering that his old rider was killed, it is safe to assume that he was never bonded to his rider, because he had not had time to upon hatching.

I don't think so, Elazar. When Saphira hatched and Eragon touched her, that linked them, because that's when he received the gedwey ignasia. So if that's how it goes, Shruikan's old rider would have touched him upon hatching, creating their bond.

Not if his rider was killed before Shruikan got out of the Egg, Saphira didn't hatch instantly it took a few minutes, and those few minutes are more than enough time for Galbatorix to kill.

I don't think so, I think Shruikan had already found his Rider. In the book it says Galby stole a hatchling, not an egg. And just because Saphira took a few hours to hatch, doesn't mean that Shruikan did.

I don't know, even if his original Rider hadn't touched him, creating the link, Galby would have. So when their link is destroyed, I think Shruikan will suicide. (If I sound distracted, trying really hard not to get caught on the Internet by my teacher.)

Shruikan didn't have the option of Suicide. Shruikan was FORCED to Serve Galbatorix. A dragon Chooses their rider from INSIDE the egg. I Don't think it takes hours to hatch once it starts, BUT, Even a few minutes Gives Galbatorix time To Slay the young rider, before he even touch shruikan, The Dragon rider bond is formed by touching a dragon Hatchling, not the egg.

And to those who think The Egg room would not go unguarded He's a fact for you. Morzan was still Trusted by the riders legion as that was happening, and was one of their most powerful riders. So The eggs in the citadel would not be unguarded because MORZAN would be the one "guarding" them when we all know now, he was just waiting fo rthe first new dragon to *start* hatching, and then Signal for galbatorix, Either one kills the young child, and Galdy takes Shruikan as his own.

It is in the book. In the chapter where Brom gives Eragon a list of names of dragons (after Saphira first hatched and Garrow was still alive) he tells him other facts about dragons, such as how long they live. Here:

"Brom did not respond at once. His chin sank to his chest while his fingers tapped the pipe thoughtfully, light reflecting off his ring. 'Sorry, my mind was elsewhere. Yes, a dragon will live for quite a while, forever, in fact, as long as it isn't killed and its Rider doesn't die.'

That's how we know Shruikan will suicide when Galby dies. He would have suicided when his first Rider died, but Galbatorix used Dark Magic on him before he could, putting him under his control, therefore unable to suicide.

I'll take option #3/Comments:

Shruikan wouldn't have been able to suicide when his first Rider died because he was to small to do any real damage, keep in mind we don't know exactly how dragons suicide. So if it was something that required him to do some major damage, he would have been to small and weak to do it right then. However, no matter what the connection is made of (ancient or dark magic) when galby dies, so will Shruikan, because he will be free to mourn his first Rider. I believe that, because I think that once Galby dies, so will the dark magic connecing him to Shruikan.

Anywho, no matter what you say, argetdraumr, I believe that Shruikan will suicide when Galby dies. Maybe not immediately (he might thank Eragon, Saphira, and company for freeing him from Galby's magic), but he will suicide.

That right there pretty much sums it up, a truely bonded dragon will die with thier rider *unless* they have been trained to sever the bond. With shruikan a mere hatchling he would not have known how to sever the bond, therefore proving that Shruikan could not have been bonded to his originaly rider, thus signifying that Shruikan's original rider was killed before shruikan got out of the egg. your right, Galbatorix stole a hatchling, *as* it was hatching from the egg. By that quote, it shows that a dragon will die if the rider dies. (and I think CP has said so before in an interview, I will try to find it and post a link, but I'm not sure though.)

But I'm not sure on the suicide, he may eventually suicide yes, but I imagine he'd live ate least a year or two as a free dragon, and actually get a chance to expireince freedom.

I think the connection is made in the egg when the Rider first touches the egg. I'm sure it says that in the book somewhere, but I'm not sure where. So if that's how it happens, then the connection was made, but it wouldn't be very strong. I don't think that would matter though, because the older Shruikan got, the more he would be able to recognize that "missing link", if you want to call it that. But because of Galby's magic controlling him, he can't do anything about it.

No, It says the connection is made once the dragon has been touched. The dragon chooses the rider from within the egg. That is how it hatches, There is no bond until the rider touches the dragon, otherwise Eragon would have known as soon as he touched Saphira's egg that is was not a stone but a dragon egg. Because he would have felt Saphira inside the egg. He didn't know about Saphira until she started to hatch, so that concludes that the bond isn't formed until the dragon has been touched not the egg.

Galby did not learn everything from the rider's he knew of Farthen Dur but had never been there, the same wiv the VOS. Solumbum told Eragon about the VOS. Maybe only the elves know of it or maybe it was a piece of information ment only 4 eragon.... Galby may not even know the VOS exists.

No, in "Eragon", when Eragon picked the egg up he was going to drop it, but "something stayed his hand." I know for sure that was in the book.

Saphirarox I have to agree with Elazar, in the book it does say that the dragon wait to chose its rider from with in the egg. There is no spiecal bond when the rider toches the egg. That is only formed when the rider toches the hatchling.

That's alright Rien, but I still say the bond is formed in the egg. How else would the dragon know? Think about it, it's only logical and the books never say how the dragon hatchling know who to choose.

True they don't know who they chose but they do probably judge the character of the person. Saphire did say she chose Eragon not that Eragon had bound her to him. Im just saying the main part of a rider and dragon being bound probably takes place when the rider first toches the dragon. There are two more books so we could learn more about this but from my understanding of the book that is how I see it.

I dunno, think when the Rider touches the egg the bond begins to form, but doesn't completely form until the Rider touches the hatchling. So when Galby killed Shruikan's first Rider, the bond wouldn't have comleted fully, but it would still be there. So when Galby dies, Shruikan will be able to recognize the fact that Galbatorix wasn't his Rider and that his Rider is dead. Then he'll suicide because of the grief that he never got to know his Rider because he/she is dead.

That's okay by me. I like to have a good debate every now and then, it's good for my health. Anywho....

Either way, Shruikan will die. I think he'll suicide immediately or as soon as he gets a grip on what's happened to him. Some of y'all think he will turn into a wild dragon, which is likely, but more of a wishful thinking sort of idea. (I mean absolutely no offense to anybody supporting that theory or any other about this topic.)

he cant unless galby turns good cus if galby dies shrukin dies unless shrukin was somone elses dragon before galby stole it

not gonna happen.

ha you think eachother will fail but perhaps both of us are wrong?