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 urgal rider? 

urgal rider?
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it will never happen and JT_W is crazy. 50%  50%  [ 2 ]
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i know most people will say i am crazy but the first riders were to stop the war betreen the elves and dragons so why not with urgals?

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January 5th, 2010, 8:22 am Profile
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Post Re: urgal rider?
Because the other races have made it clear that they would never align themselves with Urgals.

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Post Re: urgal rider?
What do you mean by that? The Urgals are currently fighting alongside the elves, dwarves, human and at least one dragon. If that dosen't show the races co-operating I don't know what does.

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January 6th, 2010, 5:51 pm Profile
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yeah thanks :) and the reason the dragon rider were thought of in the first place was to stop the elf/dragon war :D :D :D :D

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Post Re: urgal rider?
only people entered in the pact will ever be riders, an Urgal being a rider means it would have to be amended, so they have about as much of a chance at being in any newly formed rider group as the dwarves do.. perhaps less, considering that most (though not all) Urgals are rather brutish even in compairison to Dwarves.

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Post Re: urgal rider?
There is a difference between them fighting alongside each other and joining in a binding pact like the elves, humans, and dragons did. the elves only think it was right to align with the Urgals because they had too, They would never let Urgals join the pact and like I said Dragons would never let them be their rider.

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January 7th, 2010, 4:11 am Profile
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and before the first eragon a dragon would never let elf ride them

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Elves are completely different than Urgals. Elves would never let them join the pact because of their very nature and Dragons would never let them be their rider because all they would use them for is to go to war on the other races.

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no if there was an urgal rider then all the fights with them would stop after a while because of their riders :D :D :D :D

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Post Re: urgal rider?
If an Urgal had a dragon they would use it against the other races for all that they have done to their race and for them to even have a chance at getting a dragon to hatch for them they would either have to live with the other races which will never happen because every race hates the Urgals or they would have to let someone from the other races go to their villages which they will never do and no one will ever want to do.

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Post Re: urgal rider?
just because Urgals are seen with a brutal nature doesn't mean it's impossible.

of course it's unlikely that Urgals will ever be included into the pact, but if for some reason they were, either by changing their ways or something like that, I see no problem in a dragon choosing an Urgal for a Rider, if the Urgal was a good person.

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Yeah I know but the entire race would have to change their very nature for that to happen.

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but they would be changing for the better

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Post Re: urgal rider?
If they haven't changed at all, not even in the slightest, in hundreds of years, I highly doubt that they would any time soon. Especially since they love war, which is a big reason why the other races hate them so much.

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January 8th, 2010, 1:57 am Profile
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well maybe eragon can guess the true name of there race and tell them to change :D

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You can't change the nature of an entire race without huge effort so I doubt the Urgals will change. Sorry for not making my viewpoint clear earlier I was just pointing out that Urgals have already aligned themselves with the other races however I do think that It's completely insane to suggest that there will be an Urgal rider because the elves will never amend the pact to allow Urgals to be riders.

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I highly doubt that their race has a name. If it did Galby would already be in control of every other race.

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Its really more the Dragons right to decide who can and cannot be a part of the pact than it is the elves, though I doubt that they would want Urgle riders either.

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yeah the dragons chose :D i hope that is an urgal just to make the elves really mad that the dragon would rather have an urgal rider than an elve one :D :lol:

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January 9th, 2010, 8:21 am Profile
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Post Re: urgal rider?
They are NEVER going to choose to join Urgals to join the pact. They know that Urgals love to go to war and they aren't going to join a race that would would only use them to destroy others. The elves and humans do have some say in it. They can refuse to let them join, dragons can only use magic on whims. The elves could gather up people to do magic that powerful.

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I can't see the elves refusing their request if its made, given their respect for dragons. I don't see a dragon ever wanting an Urgal rider, and having one just because it would anger the elves would be... utterly pointless, especially if as you say "they are on the same side" Urgals aren't all dumb brutes but they would have to change alot to be acceptable creatures, it could happen, but it most likely won't, as there are too few Urgals who are against the way things work for them.

If for whatever reason the dragons decided to include Urgals and Dwarves in their pact and the Elves refused to do so that would be utterly disrespectful, and would disregard their right to choose who or what will be their riders, they aren't stupid animals, they are powerful ancient beings with alot of pride and wisdom, if their wants were ignored.. well.. I don't picture it going well.

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oh yes and the dragons get really made and eat all the elves :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :D :lol: :lol:

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yes there could be an Urgal rider if they were to change their ways enough to have Dragons actually trust them, if the elves didn't like it thats tough, its not really their decision who is and who is not allowed to be a dragon rider its the dragons right to decide, I do not however believe there will be an Urgal rider as for one they seem built wrong for riding, with their bowed legs and whatnot, and would likely not be able to get past their war mongering well enough to have any lasting pact in the present storyline.

.....well I've said my part in this one, this has gone from a debate from if the next rider will be an urgal to being about how to best annoy the elves, which.. is foolish and not needed.

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`Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure
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Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'


January 10th, 2010, 5:14 am Profile
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Post Re: urgal rider?
I still believe that every race has a say in who should or shouldn't be with the pact. Yes, dragons are very powerful but they are not the only ones affected by a decision as big as that and as I said before there wouldn't even be a solid way of them having access to any eggs because ho one would let an egg go with Urgals alone.

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There is no way whatsoever that there will an Urgal rider. A dragon would never hatch for an Urgal anyway.

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Post Re: urgal rider?
gomenesigh is right. a choice like that should be taken by all the races in alagaesia.
imagine a kull being a rider. slanted eyes, pointed ears, powerfull in magic, fast, strong, 8 feet tall. it would be indestructible.
but dragons and urgals both love war. saphira said tgat it is good eragon doesn't like killing as she does. if he would, not even galby could stay in their way. having an urgal that loves killing and war bond with a dragon that loves the same things would destroy almost everything. they would be incontrolable(does this word exist?).
and urgals aren't cruel. they love, hate, they have the same emotions as everyone else. is nar garzhvog cruel? no, he is wise and he sees the ways of his people bring their doom upon themselves. he would be a great rider. if someone likes war that doesn't mean they are cruel or bad. dragons like war and killing but they are not evil.


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Even so that would cause major problems. Urgals are not bad but even the best of their race would want to avenge their race for all humans and others have done to them and like ruben said, they would be almost indestructible. A normal rider might not be able to stop him/her. Eragon struggled fighting normal urgals.

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yeah those are all good points but the first reason for the riders was to make peace between the elves and dragons so why not the same thing with the urgals?

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i think even galbatorix would fear a kull dragon rider properly trained and with all the physical abilities of an elf.

Because the combination between urgal and dragon wouldn't bring peace only rivers of blood. it was one thing with the elves. they didn't like war. they are a peaceful race unlike the urgals and dragons.


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And humans are fairly peaceful too.

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