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Post Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Seeing as he was used to make his own sword do you think he will be able to make others?

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
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I thing that an Elf blacksmith or Horst will make the next swords.............. :D
Maybe the Elf that made the last swords for the DragonRides change her true name or she maybe teach Horst or an other blacksmith............ :shock: :shock: :shock:


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i think that the next rider will help make their own sword like how eragon did.

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B3astMasT3R: It would not matter if she changed her true name she swore oaths not to make another sword and oaths are not affected by someones true name. Also Horst cant use magic and magic is needed to make a riders sword.

Jay: I think Rhunon will find a different more easy way around her oaths.

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I was just thinking because he knows how to do it now doesn't he.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
No he dosen't. He knows the basics but during the crafting it mentions how Eragon can't understand what Rhunon it says she is altering the Blade in ways Eragon didn't understand. It also mentions how Rhunon notices things about the sword that he wouldn't have thought even existed.

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well Rhunon's oath doesn't say she can't teach someone how to make a riders sword.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
It probably takes a lifetime to master because Rhunon has been alive since the elves first came to Alagaesia so she has probably mastered it by now.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I can think of two possibilities as to what could happen with the next sword:

1. The green sword Tamerlein - this sword has already been forged so therefore Rhunon would not need to make a new one (and if Roran became the next Rider, this sword would suit his style of fighting perfectly)

2. Another theory if Roran became the next Rider - Rhunon could forge a Rider's Hammer - this technically wouldn't be breaking her oath to never create another sword (and I think it would be really cool to create a hammer out of the Brightsteel lol)

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Yes that would be cool :D.
But if the next rider helped with their they would have more power because their sword would have a cool power like eragons sword :D :D :D

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The reason that Eragons sword Brisingr lights on fire when he says "brisingr" is because the swords true name is brisingr so it does what the name says which is fire. So therefor Eragons swords true name as well as its actual name is Brisingr.

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well rhunon said that he might have given it some of his personality or guessed its true name or both.

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Either way Eragon probably won't make the next riders sword, but it is possible that Runon will make a sword through Eragon again.

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i think that the elf smith will make the next sword through the rider who will get it.

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That seems like the only real possibility.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I think so too. I don't think she would ever teach it to someone else because it would have to be an elf and if no one had wanted to be her apprentice by then no one would come forward than and she enjoys being alone.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Maybe all the riders swords that Galby has will go to the future riders. I really doubt it, but it's possible.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Its possible but those swords were made very specifically and I don't know if Rhunon would approve of future riders using past swords unless it fit them perfectly.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
gomenesigh wrote:
Its possible but those swords were made very specifically and I don't know if Rhunon would approve of future riders using past swords unless it fit them perfectly.


I agree with this, a sword is supposed to feel like an extension of the owners arm, that being the reason Eragon had to have his own sword made in the first place. It would be odd if the new rider/s were just able to pick up a sword and use it perfectly when it wasn't made for them and the chances that any that came close would be the right color would be another problem.

Eragon won't be the one to make the next sword in my view unless he is being controlled again which.. I don't see much of a reason for. Rhunon could just as easily take control of whatever rider she is making the sword for, get herself used to the body, then forge the sword through that rider the way she did with Eragon.

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Arthur wrote:
]the chances that any that came close would be the right color would be another problem.


That is true I don't know if there have even been dragons of the same color.

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I think forging the sword through the rider is the most likely way the next rider's swords will be made.

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She could find a way to break her oath.

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Yes she could, but what will happen to all the swords that Galby took.

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Like I said before even if they did get them, Rhunon wouldn't just give any out.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I agree, weapon smiths in the book, and people who outfit others with new weapons.. Neither group would just give anyone a random weapon that didn't belong to them if they felt it wouldn't fit, a sword has to feel like an extension of a persons arm. Anyone can just pick up a weapon and carelessly and sloppily hack and slash at things but real swordsmen have weapons specific to themselves.

That being said I can picture the previous Riders swords being put on display rather than handed out if they are taken back, because they weren't made for anyone other than the people who originally held them (Eragon even states that although he prefered Zar'roc over any other sword it didn't entirely suit his fighting style) there is no way Rhunon would simply hand out swords to people they wouldn't fit.

Every new Rider sword (assuming that there will be any new riders) will have to be made specificly for them, which Eragon wouldn't be able to do as efficently as Rhunon. It would be better for Rhunon to take over the new rider like she did to Eragon in order to have the sword crafted.. And really I just don't see Eragon subjecting himself to that again considering he almost collapsed the first time. If he even has the chance to go back in the first place considering that they are as of the end of the third book in a state of open war with Galbatorix. Eragon and Saphira are going to be busy in the fourth book.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
But a young dragon and rider can't be kept with the Varden. There are spies and if the dragon ends up with the Varden then Galby would send even more powerful soldiers and make Murtagh unbelievably powerful to ensure that he will obtain the new dragon and rider. They will have to train somewhere and Ellesmera would be a good place especially since so many elves have left to fight.

Rhunon might prefer Eragon over a new rider because she has experienced it with him before and there is a good chance the new rider will be far weaker than Eragon. She also might want to use the new rider so it's more about them making their own sword.

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Affornee She said that she would never make another weapon of death. Don't say she could say to herself that it was not going to be used for death. You can lie in the ancient language if you believe it. But seing as she knows in herself it would be used for death it wouldn't work but it would be cool making a hammer hopefully if Roran is a Rider She will make a hammer


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lol I wouldn't be able to agree with the concept of having a rider use a hammer for some reason.. it just sounds so............un-knight-like (not that they are knights..) but you actually can't lie in the ancient language, thats stated quite early on. What the elves do is they tell the truth in the ancient language, but only part of it XD

if the person believes what they are saying it is infact the truth to them, but that doesn't make it the truth to everyone else. Rhunon didn't actually make the sword for Eragon, Eragon made the sword for himself, by having her manipulate him into doing so, and thus she didn't break her vow.

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Rhunon would never make a hammer equal to the blades she has forged. It would be a mockery of her work.

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A rider with a hammer just doesn't seem right.

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someone said that if you change your true name you aren't released from the oaths that bind you. actually that's wrong. you are fre after you change your true name. rhunon could change her's and she could forge the swords herself


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She could but she is so free spirited and stubborn I doubt she would ever do that. She would just bend the rules like she did the first time and since she has done it once it would be easier for her.

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but it would be too repetitive and boring to have eragon or the other rider forge his own blade, while rhunon controls their mind.


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Well that's just how it is. It's not like CP would go through the entire process again, it could just be something added extra. Based on Rhunon's personality, she isn't going to change her true name to forge another sword when she doesn't want to make them in the first place and after making Eragon's she would want to make a better one which would be almost impossible.

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maybe the green sword eragon tried could be the sword of the next rider. it is green and so is the last dragon.


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I thought so too, but it wasn't made for whoever the new rider is going to be, so it wouldn't work.

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Rhunon will probably die, and since Eragon knows mostly everything about making one of those swords, he might just make another one. Or get the other green sword that belongs to one of the elf houses.

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yeah and saphira has a good memory, she would help eragon where his memory fails. but eragon isn't a blacksmith, although he is the only one except rhunon that knows how to make a rider's sword.


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Eragon would never attempt to make another sword and since Rhunon has hardly ever left her work besides when forced, it isn't likely that she will die.
If you remember Eragon said that there was a lot of things that Rhunon did when making the sword that he hadn't the slightest clue about and even though Saphira is wise I doubt she knows that much about it either.

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yeah i agree. she won't die. she is in ellesmera, not fighting like the majority of elves. there is no way she will die if she stays in du weldenvarden.


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I would totally have to agree with other people saying that he will help the next rider make their sword. Eragon didn't make Brisingr all by himself, so why would he do that for the next rider's sword?

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
it is quite likely that there will never be another rider's blade that will be forged. Given the blades that have been recovered from Galbatorix's vault it is more likely that these will be used. They might be modified, but I don't think there will be an entirely new blade of this grade that will be forged.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I think CP answered this question himself with Arya using Támerlien, the sword was slightly modified for her use. I'd say that the elves that went with Eragon will do this for the new riders or just try to find the perfect match

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Or Rhunon will modify them when Eragon completes their training and sends them back to patrol Alagaesia.

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Maybe that could be one of their final things to do, modify the swords themselves under her guidance

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I like that idea :) I wonder if they did that, would they discover the true names of the swords? Like what happened with Eragon and Brisingr, since he was so involved with the forging.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
It's possible but then again what would the reaction be if it was Darkened or something in AL? Brisingr means fire so it will have a reaction when you say it but if the name has no real effect then it probably won't do anything

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Obviously not every word would have a appropriate effect on the sword. Apart for the 4 elements I don't how other words could be of used. I can come up with a couple other reactions that could be useful, but that's about it.

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Yeah I suppose the elements are really it or things such as heat, cool and things with immediate effects. Maybe things like flow and such could mean they become even easier to handle but i doubt it.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
What if Zar'roc's true name was "Reaper"? Now that's a slip of the tongue nobody would ever want to be present for. XD

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Or Blast/Torrent/Hurricane? :L

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Lol, I don't think there'd be much to worry about with 'Hurricane', unless you're the owner of the sword. It takes too much energy to manipulate the weather. Then again, who knows?

Of course, all this depends on whether or not Rhunon would allow them to change the name of their blade. She might not, true name or no.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Did Arya change hers? I don't have my book on hand to check

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
It doesn't really say, but when Eragon addresses it as Tamerlein, she doesn't correct him, so I guess not.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I don't even think there is a way to make swords is there? They used most or all of the rock that Eragon found to forge his sword and there isn't any left that they are aware of. I also don't think it is Rhunon's place to make the decision if they should change the names of the swords. Either way she would be the only one to make the decision which I think would be no. Even if they altered (which there is a strong possibility that she would not even allow that) she would not want their names to change because it would disgrace the original rider's who the swords belonged to or diminish their memories.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
But she did alter Tamerlein for Arya. She might not like it, but she would most likely alter the sword to fit the Rider, unless there was already one that was a suitable match.

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
I don't remember but was it said outright that Tamerlain was altered?

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Post Re: Will Eragon make the next riders sword?
Yes it was definitely altered, but the name wasn't changed, I think she'd rather the rider had a sword altered for there use then one they were uncomfortable with

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