Something I noticed that may be a flaw in the storyline is that when Jeod and Brom were talking in Teirm, Jeod mentioned that Brom had disappeared 20 years earlier after stealing Saphira's egg and killing Morzan in a duel. However, Eragon is only 15 when the first book begins, and turns 16 on his journey with Murtagh, and Murtagh says he ran away from Galbatorix recently, just after his 18th birthday. So if Morzan was killed 20 years prior to Eragon finding the egg, and Eragon is only 15 when that happens, then how could Morzan possibly have fathered him?
This is only my observation, if I missed something that proves this thought otherwise, please by all means correct me.

Ha ha That's good-I had overlooked it!

Hmmm, good thinking. It could be a deliberate hint, or just a silly flaw that we should forget. Who knows?!

we may notice thing sbut if the writter intends to have morzan as eragons farthen(farthen means father which u find out in the books) then so be it.

it says nearly 20 years ago that could mean 15 or 14 years ago it is just nearly 20 years and still murtagh thing one he had his scar on his back made by morzan himself and 2 eragon and murtaghs mom left during or before the time morzan had left and she had left with the not yet born eragon there fore making it his child the only person i would think otherwise being eragons father is brom but that is it read the book not only one section for your rumors next time plz

I have read both books, 4 times now and working on 5, so don't assume I only read that one part. My intentions were to simply point out something that could be a clue to a deeper storyline or simply an oversight on the writer's behalf. There are other clues that support my position that Morzan may not be Eragon's father, such as Brom saying that he knew Selena well enough to miss her when she was gone. How could a former Rider come to know a Forsworn's wife if she only came to Carvahall long enough to give birth and leave her son with Garrow? Perhaps Brom is really Eragon's father, Selena wasn't pregnant when she left Morzan and Uru'baen, and Galbatorix told Murtagh that Morzan was Eragon's father only to shake Eragon up and doubt himself and his abilities. That would give Galby an advantage over Eragon if he began to doubt his powers and destiny, and perhaps even make Eragon flee his path in fear that he would become his "father", just as Murtagh has.
Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that Morzan is not Eragon's father, only that there is a shred of the storyline that, to me, doesn't entirely add up and could in the next book prove otherwise.

I think im with you FantasyFan, that would be an awesome twist to the next book, and it sounds like somthin C.P. would do. Who knows, maybe you have stumbled onto some really important clue for the next book.Lol, what i couldn't get over if thats true is, can you see Brom as Eragon's father? . . . . wait, question: If Brom was Eragon's father wouldn't he have at least tried to be around more, because in the beginning you only hear of Brom as a storyteller.And Brom is very old, so wouldn't selena have to be aged just like him, when she had Eragon and died??

I might not have paid enough attention to the details of the book so please correct me if i missed anything.

Those are all good pointers. Maybe and maybe not.

The whole thing is a maze of riddles.

May have found something to disprove part of my own logic lol. In Eldest, on page 100 I think, Orik makes the statement "...in the past decade and a half since Morzan was killed..." (or something like that, not sure if that's the exact quote but the decade and a half part is right), so that puts the timeframe back in sequence. I still believe there is more to it than what is told in Eldest, especially about how well Brom said he knew Selena, but I guess that will have to wait for book 3 to tell us. Wouldn't it be an awesome twist if Galbatorix turned out to be Eragon's father? A bit too Star Wars for me on that account, but interesting nonetheless.

I think that morzan fathered Eragon and Murtagh, but that was still great spotting on your behalf that you saw that. I have read each book about 7 times and I never noticed it!

two brothers can have the same mother but different fathers.

True, but I don't think so. Selena was devoted to Morzan, it makes that clear in the first book. I do not think she would cheat on him, and it says she ran away from morzan because she saw what happened to murtagh's back.

So maybe she turned to Brom when she ran away, he couldn't have fathered Eragon because she was already pregnant when she ran away. I'm getting kinda confused Oh well we'll find out when the 3rd book comes out.

That was what i was thinking.

morzans probrably not his father but i think brom is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if any1 thinks otherwise tell me so i can no thnx byebye

in eldest some1 said brom once loved a women by she left him selena could that women she could of been inpreganated by brom it fits

hey im not tryin to be mean or bad but r u dislexic be cause wat u said made no sence


no affence

i'm not disabled
i said Brom could of been having an affair with Selana

oh srry i didnt understand so now i do but ya i agree with u

it will make eragon happy to no broms his fathr noot morzan

This was one of the clues that led me to believe the possibility of Brom being Eragon's father.

k. first off dislexic doesn't mean disabled. there is a huge diff.
but. n-e-ways. as far as brom being around more if he where eragons father, that may be why he chose to hide in carvahall while waiting on the egg.
the good i see from morzan being the father is that it may help murtagh come to the good side. (if he wants to on some level.) but by them being brothers murtagh could see he doesn't have to follow his fathers footsteps.
but i'm still not fond of the idea of morzan being eragons father.

I kind of think it's cool, makes Eragon seem more dangerous being a son of morzan.. Anyway, if Brom was his father, he would have to change what he wrote in his tomb.

both of those are good points.
i didn't even consider the tomb.

It doesn't mean that Brom isn't his father though, it would just be annoying because he wrote he was like a father on the tomb. Even though, I still think that Eragon and Murtagh are both sons of Morzan and Selena, not half brothers. I don't know why.

caterpillar! i never noticed any of that...probably cuz i dont pay attention to stuff like that...people in this forum r soooo much smarter than me...lol

where does it acctually say she was pregnant when she left???
i don't recall. i'm re-reading, but i haven't gotten to that just yet.
..but i don't think she was pregnant when she left. and yes she was devoted to mozan, but i think things changed for her on that as she saw how evil he was becomeing. especaily after murtaghs back. everyone said she was a good person.
..i think brom reminded her there was still good in this world. she was willing to give up eragon to protect him because in doing so she also protected their love.

When Garrow is talking near the beginning, it says she came to them pregnant.

I say Brom is Eragon's father there are to many arguements supporting this fact and only one supporting Morzan being his father and it is easily put aside. Most people think since Murtagh said that Morzan was his father in the AL then it is so. This is not true you can say something in the AL as long as you belive it to be true, even if it is not(Remember Eragon's semi-fictional poem he said in the AL at the Elven Celebration). Murtagh knew they had the same mother so he assumes they have the same father. Murtagh and Eragon being the sons of Morzan and Brom would bring symmeytry. Brom kills the second in command of the evil riders and someone whom he worshiped. Eragon like his father will kill the second in command and also someone whom he worshiped. Though Eragon did not worship Murtagh like Brom did Morzan.

lol that is so true... i wonder if CP did that on purpose lol

It could be and that would end the arugments agianst Morzan being his father and the fact that Selena and Brom became lovers after Morzan's death but was caught trying to return to him by maybe Galbatorix. Though this could be just a mistake made......hhmmm guess we have to wait until the third book comes out.

the only prob. with that oversite is that if it is a set time it would contradickt morzan beeing murtagh's father also. because he is only 18.
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....but, when he was three he got the scar on his back. which would move the time frame down to 15 years. soon afterhe left to find the egg. salena left after that. returned a few months later with bad health and died within a fortnight.
...if brom is the father, it will be a slightly close call, if murtagh has the story streight.
..and yes. she showed up at garrows pregnant, but that doesn't mean she left morzan's home pregnant. she could have gone to garrow after becoming pregnant.

Yes, I think this is just a mistake CP made. Though, I still say Brom is Eragon's father until someone brings me evidence otherwise.

i do agree.
..i really don't want morzan to be the father of eragon.

I don't either, but I state my case not on what I want, but on the evidence I have. If there was evidence that Morzan was Eragon's father I would accept it, but until there is I will stand by the fact Brom is his father.

Morzan dint have to father him did he? It was Garrow al along. He raised eragon because Eragon was born at garrows place

Ok I just want to say what are you talking about. Garrow was a father figure, and Morzan is the supposed father, but it is Brom that is his true father.

Ok here's my theory on what happened: While Brom and Jeod were hiding and searching in Uru`baen for the eggs, Brom stumbled across Selena and they had an affair before the egg was found. When Selena learned she was pregnant with Brom's child, she ran away from Morzan for fear he would find out and kill her and the unborn baby. She fled to Carvahall where she knew Brom was hiding (maybe he told her where he was going) and, conveniently enough, where her brother lived. She wanted Brom to keep Eragon, but he refused because he was afraid the Empire would kill the baby if they ever found him, so Selena entrusted Eragon to Garrow because he was her brother, and also so Brom could be close enough to keep an eye on him.

Good theory, but Brom came to Carvahall a year after Eragon was born. The reason was to be near his new born son. I think Oromis figured it out when he couldn't guess why Brom would go there after getting Saphira's egg. He could have either stayed with the elves or Varden but wanted to be with his son. He knew he couldn't look after him on his own without endangring his life but he could be near him.

Good point, so I'll modify my theory. Selena fled to Carvahall where Brom told her he was going to hide, but he hadn't made it back there yet, so she left Eragon with Garrow. It may be possible that Brom doesn't know he's the father, and Garrow doesn't tell him the truth for fear of what people would think or do and to protect his sister.

Brom might not have known, but why then would he tell Selena he was going there. She wouldn't entrust her new born child to the most hated and wanted man in the Empire. No he knew he was the father, but couldn't endanger Eragon's life by telling him.

I agree, morzan is not Eragon's father. Christopher Paolini even hints to this with his character Baldgen (The raven that's always saying "Wyarda!") the raven gives Eragon a riddle that would help him in finding out who his father is. When Eragon cant solve the riddle, he demands the raven for a name, but the raven mearly screaches "Wyarda!" and flyes away. The riddle went as follows.

While two may share two
and one of two is certainly one
one might be two

The answer to this riddle is as follows.

While two <children> may share two <parents>
And one <child> of two <parents> is certainly one <legitiment child>
One <mother> may be <The mate of> two <Different fathers>

This is showing us that someone (Brom maby?) had an affair with Selena to sire Eragon.

Yes, I've also used that another of Blagden's riddles to point out that Brom is the father.

"Son and Father alike, both as blind as bats"- One thing to know is Morzan never met Blagden so how could Blagden talk about him. Also, Morzan was never blind he knew what he was doing. Brom was blind to Morzan's betrayl as Eragon was blind to Murtagh's betrayl. There is just no evidence given to state Morzan is the father.

Cool, 2 of the 3 riddles solved. Both of which prove that that Morzan is not the father and that Brom is most likely the father. Now we just have to figure out what the third one means:

By beak and bone,
Mine backened stone
sees rooks and crooks
and bloody brooks!

This one's a tough cookie, anyone got any ideas?

Yep thank god for this guy named BlagdenII. The first two lines are Blagden talking of himself. The last two lines afre referring to the upcoming battle. A rook is an old world bird, mainly considered a scavenger, remember all the birds flying around waiting for their chance to feast after the battle. Murtagh is the crook, which is what he was when he took Zar'roc from Eragon. Bloody Brooks is the Jiet river during the battle. Remember it was flowing red when Roran and Elain look down from the ship they were on and see the river flowing red with blood. That should about cover it.

Good points with all the riddle answers everyone. The only one I'd thought about was the one about father and son both being blind. Angela said in Teirm that Brom's fate was somewhat of a joke, implying that Brom himself was a joke and that everything he did would turn out bad and that he was a fool. The only success he had, as Angela said, was ridding the world of Morzan, so the raven calling him blind would neatly fall into the category of Brom's life and fate.

Well, basically the first riddle was about the upcoming battle and Murtagh's betrayl. When Eragon couldn't figure it out Blagden cackels and then says the second riddle. Just saying that both Brom and his son Eragon were blind to the upcoming betrayls of their closest friend at the time.

Fantasyfan you are really a maths wizz since I am completeley stupid in that area and mostly concentrate on language i completley missed it! What if it was a designed mistake? The way I see it it could be likely that somebody else fathered Eragon it could be Brom or someone we don't know about, i really hope so because it would be a complete downer if it really is Morzan I dont like Murtagh either but I wonder what the plot is their anyway the one second Murtagh is buddy buddy and then it is bait and switch! Suddenly the dragon riders got fat and lazy i mean WHAT!! Pheraps as i have mentioned this is a mistake, fault whatever by design. What do you think?

I think that Brom is the father of eragon, eliminating him from the concept. But it says "about 20 years ago", so for morzan to have sliced murtaugh (3) acorss the back b4 goin to get killed by Brom...the "almost 20" would be close to a 15.

could be! who of you have seen lady in the water?

Um...don't mind if I ask but what does Lady in the Water have to do with this...just asking out of curiosity.

Hmm...now I am completly stuck between who is Eragon's and Murtagh's father. First I think it's Morzan but now I am inclined to think it's Brom...I really don't know.

it has nothing to do with anything i was just wondering! i hope its brom morzan is so not like eragon murtagh maybe

We don't really know truly that much about Morzan and who he really was inside. We have so much yet to learn so there is still a very high chance that Morzan is their father. Why is it though that the baddies are peoples father...weird.

if morzan is eragos father what is meant by the inheritance trilogy? it is weird how the baddies always end up being the fathers! i mean can you imagine voldemort as harry potters father....maybe thats why he told lily potter to stan aside....

Well for now as I have said I am nuetral...undecided about who is who's father. Although I am now leaning more towards Brom being Eragon's father provided the evidence.



Aye! It's funny how discussions can change you opinions and thoughts. It's still real difficult though because one minute I want to say Morzan and the next Brom...

how could saphira know unless arya or someone told her? If arya knows and is keeping it from eragon, what is the purpouse? Why would murtagh also think that eragon is his brother or is it part of the mind control?

Saphira could know if Brom told her. Also Dragons are very intelligent above all other beings and creatures. They know a lot more than probably elves do at this point and other people as well...wouldn't be suprsing if somehow she knew, like let's say instictively or something like that. Maybe she just knew or something but I think Brom may have told her or at least someone...Arya is another possibility I suppose.

Brom could have told her, but the perfect time for her to have told him was after the battle of the burning plains. I don't doubt her judgement, so the only other likely reason is that she doesn't know. Oromis might know, but I don't know how he would.He'll find out when he starts telling Oromis about it.

dragons are wise creatures but Saphira is still so young i think somebody told her otherwise she has a great sixth sense! Then again maybe she doesnt know anything about it

you make good points but if she was so devoted then she wouldnt have left. brom dosnt seem like his dad though. theres a lot to question. it was a long book though at least to write so a couple of slip ups is nothing to think all that much about so unless the 3rd book says otherwise dont fret about it we'll find out soon enough.

That is true but when eragon asked brom if he knew his mother brom said "just well enough to miss her when she was gone" so maybe its not such a far fetched idea after all

good point maybe it was intentional but they could just friends. like brom could be friends w/ her family. but its not unlikly b/c cp likes to keep you guessing.

i still think morzan is eragons father

well according to something i read morzon is probably dead.

well no duhhhhhh hes dead!!

and brom is eragons true dad but he and murtagh have the same mom.. and dont try to tell me morzan is his dad cuz he isnt!! its brom.. their is no information that morzan is eragons dad but their is information that brom is!!

sry didnt mean to write morzon ment to write king G. my bad. i nvr said brom wasnt his dad.

huh?? you read Galbatorix is dead?? who told you that.. and i no you didnt say that brom wasnt his dad but the topic is morzan murtaghs and eragons dad??

i dont remember where i read it but i heard that he was dead and something about either he was a shade or that a shade was pretending to be him sry if im cofusing you i just thought id tell you what i heard i dont know 4 sure i just read some stuff about the third book ill try to find it again if you want.

wot do you mean there is no evidence proving morzan is eragons dad there's the fact that Gablatrix himself believes so eragons mother selena was with morzan for most of her life the fact that morzan sen't selena on to many missions to have time for brom that the whole family were riders (Murtagh, Morzan and Eragon). And the fact that brom probably wud have told eragon that he was his dad.

just putting it out there brom didnt tell eragon a lot of things.

no brom kept many secrets and maybe he didnt feel comfertabletelling him this cuz then eragon would have got mad cuz he had to live w/ his uncle all his life when brom was their

isnt it apossibility that before eragon was born selena went to visit garrow and met brom and things developed from there? She would have had to lie to morzan about the babies father or he would have killed her and the child so she went back to garrow and gave eragon to him. Then brom would have had to suspect something, wouldnt he?

the answer is out there what is your theories?

Ok i'm sorry i didnt pay attention sorry Some things say brom but what it happens if it is morzan?

Brom probably didn't tell Eragon on purpose, because he gave Eragon information as he needed it and, as he said early in the first book, he didn't want to give Eragon news that would distract him from the task at hand. Certainly learning your true father was someone you had know all your life as a storyteller would be sort of distracting. Oromis said the same thing, and they both shared their knowledge with Eragon as he grew stronger and more capable to deal with issues that would normally bind him in emotional turmoil. As for Eragon being mad about being so close to his real father without knowing it, I think at this point, it would be more of a relief for him to learn that his real father was not the man responsible for the downfall of the Riders, but was really the man who secured one dragon egg, established the Varden, killed the most dangerous of the Forsworn, was good enough to be named an elf friend and wear the ring, and all the other roles Brom played. If Saphira knows, she could know this the same way she knew Brom was a Rider - from the first time he touched her when he and Eragon left Carvahall. She said "I knew what he was from the moment he touched me". She told Eragon that about Brom being a Rider, but could also have been implying the same about him being Eragon's father. And Angela's story about Brom loving a woman and that it was her downfall adds fuel to the fire here. Selena could have been content as Morzan's wife (content doesn't necessarily mean happy) until Brom showed up, had an affair with her and conceived Eragon, and put her in a precarious position. That would have had her torn between Brom and Morzan, but she had Eragon outside Uru'baen to protect him and returned to Morzan as a means to protect her son and new lover, though the grief of doing all this led to her death. To me it all adds up if you connect the dots.

if brom was the womans downfall does this mean that selena is dead? I also think that eragon will be angry and hurt that they didnt trust him enough emotianally to tell him that brom was his father. He has already sort of made peace with the fact that morzan is his father to now discover that it was brom and to know you spent time with him will certainly cause more turmoil than it would have done in the first place because then eragon would have to deal with the pain of loss

I do think Brom is Eragons father we have a lot of info to back it up on.

I truly hope so! But do you guys think that selena is dead??

From what the books have told, yes she is dead. Murtagh said that when she returned to Uru'baen the last time, she was very sick and died within a fortnight.

hhhmmmmmmmmmm we all wonder y she died.

i hope she is still alive it would lessen the pain of finding out that brom was his father and he never knew! She would also be able to answer a lot of his questions, what do you guys think?

I thot she died.it wes in the first book ."ther is no chanc she is still alive eragon...im srry".

hey

this thread is really old (3 years now) I don't know it they'll reply.

just noticed when I was about to post.

O wow they probubly wont Lol. 3 years??

Have you people read Brisingr?

yes i have about 6 times

Oh this is an older topic. Never mind